Found Deceased Canada - Jessica Newman, 24, Calgary, 10 March 2015 #1 *Arrest*

[Jester980]

Picture of location:

Thanks newstalk. Is that your photo?

 

[news.talk]

Thanks newstalk. Is that your photo?

Nope sorry. I will edit my post above to include the link.

 

[Jester980]

Jessica's mother says the police told her the remains had been there for almost 8 weeks. Guess that rules out the moved and dumped theory. So back to the coincidence. Perhaps TR is lying about finding the body?

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/13...ural-area-east-of-airdrie-rcmp-investigating/

 

[Jester980]

Nope sorry. I will edit my post above to include the link.

Oops, that's not at all what I was implying!!! Thanks for the photo.

 

[news.talk]

Jessica's mother says the police told her the remains had been there for almost 8 weeks. Guess that rules out the moved and dumped theory. So back to the coincidence. Perhaps TR is lying about finding the body?

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/13...ural-area-east-of-airdrie-rcmp-investigating/

Not necessarily. There is no way that they definitively knew last night how long the body had been there. That would be determined upon autopsy and forensic examination. They test lividity (blood pooling in tissues) and analyze environmental factors like insects and grass found on the body.

I think what she might have been referring to is how long she was dead for.

 

[Jester980]

Picture of location:

The grass looks like it was recently cut. If so, there is little chance that a body went unnoticed. The smell alone would have been hard to tolerate that close up.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/missing-calgary-woman-found-dead-near-airdrie-1.2359580

That tends to be my thought as well. Though in the Metro article posted below Jessica's mother says the police told her the body had been there around 8 weeks. Perhaps deceased for 8 weeks but dumped more recently? Does that make sense? Or perhaps they were indicating to her mom that Jessica had been deceased for 8 weeks (and not held somewhere) as opposed to the body location.

 

[LoisLane]

That tends to be my thought as well. Though in the Metro article posted below Jessica's mother says the police told her the body had been there around 8 weeks. Perhaps deceased for 8 weeks but dumped more recently? Does that make sense? Or perhaps they were indicating to her mom that Jessica had been deceased for 8 weeks (and not held somewhere) as opposed to the body location.

I wonder if it could be a way of weeding out the bad guy.

 

[news.talk]

Determining T.O.D and if moved *GRAPHIC*:

Livor Mortis (Discoloration)

Livor mortis is the settling of blood. It is also called Hypostasis.

When the heart stops, the blood stops circulating and gravity makes it settle. This makes the areas where the blood has settled turn dark blue or purple.

This starts happening immediately and is visible with a couple of hours. At this point skin is bluish and blotchy. After five or six hours the blotches have joined up but the skin still goes white when pressed. After ten to twelve hours the blue colour remains even when pressed.

***The lividity doesn't show where the body is in contact with something. This a body lying on its back will show lividity in the small of its back, its neck etc but not is parts of the body directly touching the ground. This a very useful when determining if a body has been moved after death.***

The discolouration looks like a bruise, but experts can easily tell them apart.


Insects Body Lice: they outlive their host by 3 - 6 days.

Various insects: They like to lay their eggs on very fresh corpses. The eggs hatch out within 8-14 hours. After another 8-14 hours it sheds its skin and emerges as a bigger larva. This process is repeated several times, taking 10-12 days in total. People who know about insects (Bambi?) can therefore look at the larva, see which stage it is at, and work out time of death.

Samples should be taken and preserved and given to an emtomologist.

***Plants Grass/plants beneath an object wilt, turn yellow or brown and dies. The rate depends on type of plant, season, climate, etc. Seasonal plants or remnants may help indicate a range of time.***


Putrefraction

Begins after about 2 days. The process is faster in damp places or when the body is exposed to air. Decay is about eight times faster in the air than underground. Too cold or too hot and the process won't happen. In very hot temperatures the body will dry out and mummify instead.

People with a lot of fat will decay faster. People who died of bacterial disease will also decay faster. However, some poisons preserve the body.

2-3 days: green staining begins on the right side of the abdomen. Body begins to swell.

3-4 days: staining spreads. Veins go "marbled" - a browny black discoloration

5-6 days: abdomen swells with gas. Skin blisters

2 weeks: abdomen very tight and swollen.

3 weeks: tissue softens. Organs and cavities bursting. Nails fall off.

4 weeks: soft tissues begin to liquefy. Face becoming unrecognisable

4-6 months: formation of adipocere, if in damp place. This is when the fat goes all hard and waxy.

http://www.mitchpileggi.net/Deep_Background/resources/forensics/bodies.htm

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Not necessarily. There is no way that they definitively knew last night how long the body had been there. That would be determined upon autopsy and forensic examination. They test lividity (blood pooling in tissues) and analyze environmental factors like insects and grass found on the body.

I think what she might have been referring to is how long she was dead for.

That would be very risky to move a decaying body. Even just the scent would linger long enough for the dogs to pick up on, let alone any fluids or flakes.

 

[news.talk]

That would be very risky to move a decaying body. Even just the scent would linger long enough for the dogs to pick up on, let alone any fluids or flakes.

Very true. Even wrapped in a tarp... how do I say this... parts fall off.

 

[lynck]

Yuck.

 

[turnanewleaf]

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[LoisLane]

More comments relating to timeline of March 5th...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/442094635949627/permalink/462878500537907/

I wonder which job site they all went to.

 

[debsy99]

More comments relating to timeline of March 5th...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/442094635949627/permalink/462878500537907/

I wonder which job site they all went to.

Chelsey's is on the NE corner of 52nd st NE and Memorial Drive and there is a job site pub on the SE corner of that intersection.

 

[LoisLane]

Chelsey's is on the NE corner of 52nd st NE and Memorial Drive and there is a job site pub on the SE corner of that intersection.

That makes sense. Thanks.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm feeling more like .... looking at that ex who dropped her off that night. I don't think the workers necessarily know where they're working prior to the morning when they get to work.. they might know generally, ie we'll be filling potholes, but I doubt if they would know in advance where they'd be. The guy sounds like he started back at the roadwork back on April 27th.. so it's been a week or so since he was out and *didn't* find her.. it is awfully strange though that someone suggested that KCR look at the TR guy..
So said that the grampa of the kids had to find out via FB? Wow.
Have we heard anything from KRC??
Sounds like poor Rhonda has an incredibly stressful like right now.. her husband with brain cancer?? And now this?? And 2 young boys of her own?? Wow.
I am feeling so sad at how JRN was found, thrown in a ditch, half naked.. and then to be *found* by someone she knew? OMG.

Perpetrators are often found to have inserted themselves into the investigation. LE always look closely at the people that are 'helpful' and this certainly qualifies.

I notice TR made no comments that suggests he recognized her. Perhaps he did not want to be seen as a suspect for the very fact that he knew her. As I said, I don't believe in coincidences. Not in homicide cases.

 

[deugirtni]

Or the perp wanted it to *appear* it was a sexual assault.

She was also found with most of her clothing missing. Either sexual assault or an attempt to destroy evidence.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if when the guy said 'we went down to take a look'... he meant.. 'down the road', down the hill (is there a hilly area?

The man who found the body, named Sid, told 660News his team went in for a closer look after spotting it from their work site.

“We went down to take a look at it and it actually was a dead body and it looks like it’s been sitting there for a little while, naked, three-quarters naked,” Sid said

http://www.660news.com/2015/05/04/womans-body-found-near-balzac/

 

[skinnycat]

I've been wondering, what if there is more than 1 road crew, he may not have been working where the body was found, he may have been on a different site, but you can garauntee that someone from the crew that found the body is going to contact other crews, what else are they going to do while waiting for the police to arrive

 

[skinnycat]

I wonder if when the guy said 'we went down to take a look'... he meant.. 'down the road', down the hill (is there a hilly area?

There is a picture that shows more of a slope, with what looks like those metal culvert things, I'll have to go look for it