GUILTY Canada - Jessica Newman, 24, Calgary, 10 March 2015 #2

  • #481
Exactly. It's not like they were teenagers with no where to go. They already had a child together, so it's not like anyone would blink an eye if they spent the night together.

I'm also curious why he picked her up from work. They were in court because they could not resolve their differences. Why would she choose to be alone with him, or did she?

Even if they were having these episodes of intimacy on the sly, wouldn't sneaking him into her bedroom be just as exciting as making out in a van? The thrill of not getting 'caught', so to speak?

I wonder if it was a regular occurrence for him to drive her places/pick her up/take her to and from work, etc, or was this unusual? Hopefully the testimony will be interesting and informative.
 
  • #482
Sure makes him look suspicious when he 'lost' his phone though, even if it was true that he lost it (which I doubt). Hope they have camera evidence, but how far out on those country roads do the cameras go?

Highway routes and overpasses etc... could show his route to Airdrie.
 
  • #483
Exactly. It's not like they were teenagers with no where to go. They already had a child together, so it's not like anyone would blink an eye if they spent the night together.

I'm also curious why he picked her up from work. They were in court because they could not resolve their differences. Why would she choose to be alone with him, or did she?

Your second thought answers your first question... people probably give them grief over their rendezvous' and think it's careless. Especially, the eve of court.

One article said her email or user name was "Tortured Love". Some people just can't stay away from eachother. It's usually toxic and full of problems but they don't know any better or don't care.
 
  • #484
Even if they were having these episodes of intimacy on the sly, wouldn't sneaking him into her bedroom be just as exciting as making out in a van? The thrill of not getting 'caught', so to speak?

I wonder if it was a regular occurrence for him to drive her places/pick her up/take her to and from work, etc, or was this unusual? Hopefully the testimony will be interesting and informative.

It's not as spontaneous. Wasn't she supposed to meet up with friends or something? Maybe she convinced him to drive her out to her friends. The same friend who was on the work crew who discovered her body I believe. (I don't think that guy did it btw...)
 
  • #485
I hope the evidence is airtight. Jessica was very social.. always texting, etc. She had other intimate relations as did Kevin. The court the following day was no secret and the people in her "orbit" (as per her other boyfriend) knew about it. It could be seen as the perfect opportunity by someone else. The roommate reported her missing 3 days later too, that was unfortunate, especially when court was missed.

Or it was sex mixed with drugs, booze, jealousy gone wrong (DNA will hopefully prove that) - maybe drugs- who knows. I would like to hear toxicology too.
 
  • #486
Does crime of passion mean second degree? 75 stab wounds is an awful lot of anger, so did he routinely carry a knife and he just happened to have it handy when he got angry?

"Second-degree murder:
A murder that isn’t planned but happens in the heat of passion or out of sudden anger, would constitute second-degree murder. There have also been cases where something goes wrong during a robbery or other criminal offence and someone is killed, leading to a second-degree murder conviction. The penalty is a mandatory life sentence with no parole for a minimum 10 years." ( https://www.mississauga.com/news-st...r-criminal-negligence-what-s-the-difference-/ )

I wonder why the Crown chose to use that 'crime of passion' wording? Seems odd. I guess he's just saying why it was 'second degree murder' vs 'first degree murder'?

I'm not sure if this is something 'current', but seems like the term can be used as an excuse to get off on lesser charges?
"(7) All murder that is not first degree murder is second degree murder.

• 232. (1) Culpable homicide that otherwise would be murder may be reduced to manslaughter if the person who committed it did so in the heat of passion caused by sudden provocation.

(2) A wrongful act or an insult that is of such a nature as to be sufficient to deprive an ordinary person of the power of self-control is provocation for the purposes of this section if the accused acted on it on the sudden and before there was time for his passion to cool.

(3) For the purposes of this section, the questions whether a particular wrongful act or insult amounted to provocation, and whether the accused was deprived of the power of self-control by the provocation that he alleges he received, are questions of fact, but no one shall be deemed to have given provocation to another by doing anything that he had a legal right to do, or by doing anything that the accused incited him to do in order to provide the accused with an excuse for causing death or bodily harm to any human being.

(4) Culpable homicide that otherwise would be murder is not necessarily manslaughter by reason only that it was committed by a person who was being arrested illegally, but the fact that the illegality of the arrest was known to the accused may be evidence of provocation for the purpose of this section.""

( http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/CriminalLaw/LawArticle-205/Murder.aspx )

"Defences of excuse include obedience to authority (eg, a soldier who believes he is simply obeying lawful orders), provocation (which only applies in murder cases and involves a killing committed in the heat of passion, which has been caused suddenly by a wrongful act or insult sufficient to deprive an ordinary person of his self-control), and entrapment (in which the person has committed the offence under pressure by police authorities)."
( http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/criminal-law/ )


I guess to claim a lesser charge by using the 'crime of passion' excuse, one would first have to admit that it even happened?

Seventy-five stab-wounds, to me, indicates someone deeply emotionally involved (as opposed to a stranger). (Who would actually plan to kill someone that way?).
 
  • #487
Highway routes and overpasses etc... could show his route to Airdrie.

I wonder how long recordings are kept? I wonder if police would have even bothered to look out that way, before the time her body was found (2 months later)?
 
  • #488
Your second thought answers your first question... people probably give them grief over their rendezvous' and think it's careless. Especially, the eve of court.

One article said her email or user name was "Tortured Love". Some people just can't stay away from eachother. It's usually toxic and full of problems but they don't know any better or don't care.

Hmm, wonder if that is why the Crown chose these words?:

"Parker said the relationship between Rubletz and Newman was a tumultuous one, but while they had broken up and were seeing others, they were still intimate at the time of her death.
“It was a tortured love.”"
http://calgarysun.com/news/local-ne...wman-was-killed-in-crime-of-passion-jury-told
 
  • #489
I wonder how long recordings are kept? I wonder if police would have even bothered to look out that way, before the time her body was found (2 months later)?

They would have started from her work - I think it's on a major street. Then they went to Tim Hortons, that was on camera. I think they went inside IIRC. Can't remember all those details anymore. They totally had time to track him and then piece it together later - once she was located.
 
  • #490
Hmm, wonder if that is why the Crown chose these words?:

"Parker said the relationship between Rubletz and Newman was a tumultuous one, but while they had broken up and were seeing others, they were still intimate at the time of her death.
“It was a tortured love.”"
http://calgarysun.com/news/local-ne...wman-was-killed-in-crime-of-passion-jury-told

I think it was the Herald Reporter who brought up her email account name.

Here: http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...-celebration-plans-before-disappearance-death
 
  • #491
Another article:

"Monday was the start of what’s expected to be a three-week trial in the death of the young mom, with Rubletz charged with second-degree murder. In his opening address, Parker begins by noting Newman’s email account was named Tortured Love.
“Ironically, it foreshadowed her death,” says Parker of what he describes as a crime of passion.

As he begins to retrace the footsteps of the young restaurant server just before she vanished, Newman’s family members sit razor straight in the front row of the spectators’ gallery, riveted to his every word.

While Parker’s assertions about why Newman died and who killed her is a story heard far too many times, he notes the very 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century life lived by her and other twenty-somethings, and how when their “footsteps” vanish, it is instantaneous in this social media-dominated world.

Not long after her work shift ended on that day and she went for coffee with Rubletz, the young woman’s technological footprints literally evaporated. Her usual texting, emailing and Snapchat messages stopped cold."
http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...-celebration-plans-before-disappearance-death
 
  • #492
Also from same article above:

"In the spring of 2015, life was looking good for Jessica Newman. She had begun attending a gym a few months earlier and, having conquered some big personal obstacles, was springing back to life. “She was the healthiest I’d seen her,” says her close friend of several years, Tara Saban. Over a period of several months, Saban, a social worker, saw the 24-year-old go from someone down on herself to “this strong, incredibly independent young woman.”

The mother of three young children was even more upbeat in the days leading up to March 11, 2015, the date set for a custody hearing between her and Kevin Rubletz, the father of her youngest child.

At that hearing, Newman anticipated an agreement that would see the estranged partners split their parental time 50/50. She and Saban talked on the phone a few days before the hearing, the two excitedly discussing a celebration weekend to mark the expected outcome.

“We were looking for a hotel with a pool and a slide,” Saban, who lived in Ponoka, told Crown prosecutor Shane Parker on Monday morning. “We were making plans for the weekend after.”
The celebration would never happen. Sometime after the end of her work shift on March 10, Newman was savagely attacked. Nearly two months later — two months that included several nights of sub-zero temperatures — her decomposed body was found in a ditch north of the city. The medical examiner would count no less than 75 stab wounds on the upper regions of her petite body."
 
  • #493
Reading the article above just reminds me of many high school friends who have recently died. Suicide and some fentanyl. They were all so happy and chatty and doing good for themselves. Gotta take it with an open mind to reality. Her friend TS is now one of her child's caregivers..it's such a mess!

You know what else bugs me... her friend the social worker excitedly planning to celebrate an outcome she can't predict.
 
  • #494
I hope the evidence is airtight. Jessica was very social.. always texting, etc. She had other intimate relations as did Kevin. The court the following day was no secret and the people in her "orbit" (as per her other boyfriend) knew about it. It could be seen as the perfect opportunity by someone else. The roommate reported her missing 3 days later too, that was unfortunate, especially when court was missed.

Or it was sex mixed with drugs, booze, jealousy gone wrong (DNA will hopefully prove that) - maybe drugs- who knows. I would like to hear toxicology too.

I find that usually it's not airtight when it comes to evidence. It's often a bunch of circumstantial evidence (which carries as much weight as physical evidence), which must be pieced together, evaluated and weighed by the jurors as a complete picture, rather than piece by piece.

I didn't remember that it took 3 days before JRN was reported missing, wow!
 
  • #495
I find that usually it's not airtight when it comes to evidence. It's often a bunch of circumstantial evidence (which carries as much weight as physical evidence), which must be pieced together, evaluated and weighed by the jurors as a complete picture, rather than piece by piece.

I didn't remember that it took 3 days before JRN was reported missing, wow!

Airtight can be piece-by-piece.. I'm good with that.

3 days supposedly. All those friends and support and it took 3 days. Did they think she went on a bender? Back to her old ways? Doesn't sound like the woman they describe in that article. Missed court! Hello!!
 
  • #496
Reading the article above just reminds me of many high school friends who have recently died. Suicide and some fentanyl. They were all so happy and chatty and doing good for themselves. Gotta take it with an open mind to reality. Her friend TS is now one of her child's caregivers..it's such a mess!

You know what else bugs me... her friend the social worker excitedly planning to celebrate an outcome she can't predict.

I hope that we will hear testimony about the custody 'dispute'.... because the ex/accused claimed that the two were in agreement about her getting '50/50', but yet the Crown indicates the custody issue as a motive. Hopefully we will hear from FACS about JRN's progress - it is possible that if they were satisfied, they may have encouraged JRN's optimism (plus, according to the ex/accused, he was publicly saying that he was in agreement anyway???!!!!)
 
  • #497
I hope that we will hear testimony about the custody 'dispute'.... because the ex/accused claimed that the two were in agreement about her getting '50/50', but yet the Crown indicates the custody issue as a motive. Hopefully we will hear from FACS about JRN's progress - it is possible that if they were satisfied, they may have encouraged JRN's optimism (plus, according to the ex/accused, he was publicly saying that he was in agreement anyway???!!!!)

Makes sense. Kevin wanted her to have it so he could go to work out of town I believe. So why kill her? Maybe she told him she was pregnant?!
 
  • #498
Reading the article above just reminds me of many high school friends who have recently died. Suicide and some fentanyl. They were all so happy and chatty and doing good for themselves. Gotta take it with an open mind to reality. Her friend TS is now one of her child's caregivers..it's such a mess!

You know what else bugs me... her friend the social worker excitedly planning to celebrate an outcome she can't predict.

I had occasion to attend a seminar about Fentanyl recently as it has become so prevalent all over.. and it seems that often it is slipped into other things (such as say, marijuana), and the user is often not even aware of it. The dealers apparently add it to enhance the addictive quality of the drug they're mixing it with.. but they can't always control the distribution within 'doses'. It's a very bad situation because the people who might happen to be around at the time, also wouldn't be aware that it was even a possibility, and therefore may miss the opportunity to help. If it turns out that JRN had Fentanyl in her system, it wouldn't necessarily mean that she had willingly been using it with knowledge that she was using it. (Not sure if JRN did any drugs, or even smoked weed, but just saying.)
 
  • #499
Makes sense. Kevin wanted her to have it so he could go to work out of town I believe. So why kill her? Maybe she told him she was pregnant?!

Exactly. So with such opposing views (KR saying he was good with JRN getting 50/50, and the Crown saying custody dispute), hopefully the Crown will produce witnesses who would have known for sure which way it was.
 
  • #500
I had occasion to attend a seminar about Fentanyl recently as it has become so prevalent all over.. and it seems that often it is slipped into other things (such as say, marijuana), and the user is often not even aware of it. The dealers apparently add it to enhance the addictive quality of the drug they're mixing it with.. but they can't always control the distribution within 'doses'. It's a very bad situation because the people who might happen to be around at the time, also wouldn't be aware that it was even a possibility, and therefore may miss the opportunity to help. If it turns out that JRN had Fentanyl in her system, it wouldn't necessarily mean that she had willingly been using it with knowledge that she was using it. (Not sure if JRN did any drugs, or even smoked weed, but just saying.)

In the last month I know 5 men who were all friends who died from drug overdose (toxicology won't prove it for a while). They were all friends and dropped like flies. They bought from the same circle, were aware of the risk, and yet they still thought they were good. They had past dealing experience too so they knew the risks. People need to smarten up.

When Jessica died the Fentanyl crisis wasn't nearly as bad as it is now but it was in the news.
 

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