GUILTY Canada - Kienan Hebert, 3, Sparwood BC, 7 Sept 2011 - #2

[DianaElaine]

Jeez that's sick! Using a Bible camp to hide a kidnapped kid! Of all the places.....

BUT, God's presence was there.

 

[~n/t~]

B.C. child abduction suspect to appear in court


Suspect Randall Hopley is expected to be charged by Wednesday morning with kidnapping and child abduction following his capture near an abandoned bible camp by Crowsnest Lake, Alta.

http://www.theprovince.com/Suspect+toddler+abduction+arrested/5395267/story.html

 

[Kamille]

RCMP, Sparwood locals relieved after arrest of Randall Hopley
By Valerie Fortney, Calgary Herald September 14, 2011 7:07 AM

SPARWOOD, B.C. — “It doesn’t get any better than this.”

As he says these seven simple words, Insp. Brendan Fitzpatrick lets go of the steely jawed, stern expression he’s been wearing for a good several minutes.

His face breaks into a disarming smile and the inspector of the RCMP E Division’s major crimes unit exhales with the gusto of someone who’s been holding his breath way too long.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news...fter+arrest+Randall+Hopley/5397715/story.html


And from the last paragraph of the article, I wouldn't be surprised if this story is turned into a movie...

Yes, there are so many unanswered questions still in this real-life story that in many ways reads like a Hollywood script. Once the case enters the justice system, one hopes that more light will be shed.

But for the citizens of this town of 4,000 souls, one thing has already been answered: their prayers.

As far as most here are concerned, it doesn’t get any better than this.

 

[craftybatchy]

On one hand the father said to the suspect during a presser ' you know as we do that Kienan does not speak. He cannot tell us who you are ' .

In this

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1052996--randall-hopley-faces-charges-of-kidnapping-child-abduction?bn=1

article Paul Hebert says we have been advised not to share what we have learned from Kienan himself. So obviously something has been said verbally - I doubt Kienan can read or write at this point.

Too many conflicting reports. Pleaaaaasee do not let this turn out to be a hoax or some sort of mass training exercise implemented without the knowledge or consent of the community at large. Normally I would never say something like this but dang ... this is a strange one.

 

[ClaireNC]

craftybatchy, There was some discussion about this further back in the thread. The consensus seems to be that the boy did not speak much, especially around strangers. It is actually not all that uncommon for a young boy with lots of older siblings to start speaking at a later age. Than, once they do, they are suddenly speaking complete sentences.

Also, the Father played it up a with bit of a 'white lie' to appeal to RH. Or another way of looking at it was dumbing it down to the intelligence level of RH. l I'm sure the police coached him on what to say.

Yes this is a strange case, but I believe it is entirely real.

 

[SilkySifaka]

On one hand the father said to the suspect during a presser ' you know as we do that Kienan does not speak. He cannot tell us who you are ' .

In this

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1052996--randall-hopley-faces-charges-of-kidnapping-child-abduction?bn=1

article Paul Hebert says we have been advised not to share what we have learned from Kienan himself. So obviously something has been said verbally - I doubt Kienan can read or write at this point.

Too many conflicting reports. Pleaaaaasee do not let this turn out to be a hoax or some sort of mass training exercise implemented without the knowledge or consent of the community at large. Normally I would never say something like this but dang ... this is a strange one.

crafty, just the shock of being kidnapped could make a low verbal child talk more. It is unlikely he couldn't, more that he didn't as everything was done for him but I can see him coming out wit "bad man took me" or something like that. Or bad man took blankies.

I don't think that Hebert meant that Kienan went from low verbal to a patterer but sure some info probably came out, I sense not much of it valuable. Kienan lost or Kienan sad would be other things.. even with a picture shown to him, he may be able to point and say bad man or randy.

 

[Dogface]

I think the dog might have been the one to do the "take down" which may have resulted in RH needing medical assistance.

MOO

Ohh I hope so! :crazy:

 

[Wondergirl]

Randall Hopley to undergo psych evaluation

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...9/14/bc-randall-hopley-charges-cranbrook.html

Mr. Hopley will be back in court Nov. 9 for a bail hearing. Until then, he will remain in custody, and receive his assessment.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ergo-mental-health-assessment/article2165672/

 

[mrsu]

I haven't had time to catch up on everything, but have they ever said where he and Kienan had hid out? In this old mining cabin as well??

 

[ClaireNC]

Wondergirl, Thanks for posting the link to the news story. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...9/14/bc-randall-hopley-charges-cranbrook.html

The video is certainly worth watching and contains a little be more information then is in the print version.

One thing the peaks my curiosity is the lawyer's comment about Hopley "has a story to tell." The police used a similar line in one of their pleas to RH to let the boy go.

The story also confirms that it was the police dogs that actually took him down and RH received minor injuries as a result.

Now this is purely rumor, but I read in the comments of one of the stories that LE were looking for a second POI, as a result of information received from the victim. The police did use pictures to help the boy identify who took him.

Edit to add: MRSU, I don't think the place where they hid out has been released to the public yet.

 

[Kittymama]

That is interesting...I wonder what they mean by Hopley having "a story to tell."

 

[~n/t~]

Don't all criminals have a story to tell?

Story = their defense

Casey Anthony had a whole bunch of stories.

 

[ClaireNC]

Don't all criminals have a story to tell?
Story = their defense
Casey Anthony had a whole bunch of stories.

Of course they do, but I don't remember many police and/or even lawyers using that kind of direct phrase before and/or directly after the arrest. It is generally expected by the public that the "story" will come out at trial.

(of course that didn't happen in the Anthony case.):sick:

Pulling this from the hidden tread, still hoping for a response from Craftybatchy: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148743&page=41

One of Randy's biggest issues was personal hygeine - very unkept, generally dirty. ALWAYS. Pictures showing otherwise for purposes of demonstrating possible efforts at disguising himself were photoshopped. Paul Hebert has said many times that Kienan appeared to have been very well cared for during his time away. Could that not be taken to include Kienan's personal care as well ? Hopley does not seem to me to be the type who takes any great pains with his own personal care much less that of a child.

Is it possible that Kienan was indeed taken but not by Hopley ? When Hopley learned that he was the subject of manhunt of epic proportions, he ran like hell - not because he had Kienan, but because he knew he was on the hook for a crime he did not committ.

I am just curious, where did you see: "Paul Hebert has said many times that Kienan appeared to have been very well cared for during his time away." I didn't see that in my reading and feel that there are still questions about the condition in which he was found. It was reported when he was missing that the was last seen in "boxers." Did he come home in those same boxers or dressed in some other way? Where any other children's clothes taken from the house when he was abducted? Or any children's clothes taken in other break-ins in the area?

Also I have seen no reports about if the boy was clean/dirty, disheveled, hair combed, etc., but I do seem to remember that there were some reports of some scratches he received during his time away from his family. I admit to not reading every single article written on this case, so somebody please post links if you have some that the media has reported that address these questions.

 

[~n/t~]

Of course they do, but I don't remember many police and/or even lawyers using that kind of direct phrase before and/or directly after the arrest. It is generally expected by the public that the "story" will come out at trial.

(of course that didn't happen in the Anthony case.):sick:

That's the way I interpreted it and in my opinion that was what was implied by Hopley having a story to tell.

I don't expect Hopley to hold a news conference or write a book telling the public about the cat & mouse game he played with the RCMP. If he has to tell the public about how badly he was treated as a kid or whatever mental disorders he has.......who cares. Tell it to a judge.

The story we'll get to hear will be whatever will be reported by the media if and when it goes to trial.

What are your thoughts? How did you interpret it?

 

[ClaireNC]

That's the way I interpreted it and in my opinion that was what was implied by Hopley having a story to tell.

I don't expect Hopley to hold a news conference or write a book telling the public about the cat & mouse game he played with the RCMP. If he has to tell the public about how badly he was treated as a kid or whatever mental disorders he has.......who cares. Tell it to a judge.

The story we'll get to hear will be whatever will be reported by the media if and when it goes to trial.

What are your thoughts? How did you interpret it?

I am still trying to process it, just seems odd to me that the police and the lawyers used the same wording. I think that it is along the lines of they (LE and the Canadian equivalent of the DA) are playing into RH to get him to talk about his "story", just so he feel comfortable and gives them more information for a conviction. That story very well could be along the lines that he was trying to save the boy from the same kind of treatment he received as a kid, but we don't know yet.

Somehow, the statement reminds me of some of the media reports that were made during the "Son of Sam" era. I was in my upper teens at the time and didn't live all that far from where he struck.

 

[matou]

Maybe Hopley will be giving a full confession hence his story to tell?

 

[matou]

Describing Hopley as “a great guy” who would “give the shirt off his back to anybody,” Johnson attributed his friend’s alleged behaviour to his failure to take prescribed medication.

“If he doesn’t take his meds, he’s a different person,” Johnson said.

Johnson also said he received a phone call from Hopley prior to his arrest Tuesday in which the wanted man expressed remorse for his actions.

He quoted the man as saying, “My life is over. I gotta go."

Hmmm he's on meds, he calls a friend and is sorry?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...d-for-accused-in-3-year-old-s-kidnapping?bn=1

 

[ClaireNC]

Hmmm he's on meds, he calls a friend and is sorry?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...d-for-accused-in-3-year-old-s-kidnapping?bn=1

Very interesting article, thanks for posting Matou

 

[~n/t~]

Hmmm he's on meds, he calls a friend and is sorry?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...d-for-accused-in-3-year-old-s-kidnapping?bn=1

I would actually feel sorry for the guy if this was a first time offense and returned the boy unharmed. I would say let him get the treatment he needs for whatever mental disorder or illness he has, keep him locked up and monitored upon his release BUT........this was not his first offense, court document records stated he would reoffend and he did. He was on probation and committed a crime.

No free pass from me. Lock him up and throw away the key. Canadians have no use for him. Our children need to be protected. We don't want the Hopleys of the world walking our streets.

 

[~n/t~]

LOL...gotta love the media. This article says

Several passersby echoed those sentiments, but they seemed to be a small minority of local residents, most of whom seemed unaware that Hopley’s court hearing was taking place

The earlier video posted about his appearance in court, the reporter stated it was standing room only in the court room.

:crazy: