Identified! Canada - Laurentian Hills, WhtMale 28-40, 334UMON, eyeglasses, Sep'01 - Name withheld

[Gina20]

Odds are that the dude in the NIS sketch was an 'airman' at some point vice a soldier. And, being that it's a historic case being handled by the NIS (National Investigation Service) instead of the Military Police proper, this Canadian Army girl would bet dollars to doughnuts, IMO, that the sketch is of a sexual assault suspect from an assault that happened in Winnipeg at a function [Mess Dinner where no name tags are worn on uniforms]. She/he (the victim) probably doesn't know the actual identity of the suspect, but recalls what they look like. We are finally in an era where these historic cases are being reported by the victims.

Winninpeg is an RCAF (Royal Canadian Air Force, thus airmen & airwomen) Wing and Petawawa is a Canadian Army (therefore soldiers) base. Northbay is also RCAF.

CAR (Canadian Airborne Regiment) disbandment parade was held 4 March 1995 (a hell of a send off too - I have it on video to this day), and I doubt there is any connection what-so-ever with this unidentified deceased. I managed to find a video of clips of the Y2K iteration of the Petawawa Ironman (not really much in the way of public spectators to watch, just fellow soldiers, as this happens on-base): IRONMAN 2000 - Bing video

If the deceased was very fit and of a soldierly bearing/haircut etc, or any hint this guy may have served, the local authorities would have dealt with the base military police and headquarters (both at Northbay and at Petawawa) to determine if we were missing/AWOL anf troops or airmen at the time this poor gent was discovered.

BUT ... wonder if any USAF servicemen went missing/AWOL from Northbay where they also have a presence) due to NORAD.

Thank you, Vern. Sexual assault seems likely in the Manitoba case, given the number of investigations going on higher up in the Canadian military right now.

North Bay also has the mental health facility, from which numerous disappearances over the years remain unsolved.

I believe this man's identity is solvable with the use of DNA and genetic genealogy. I can't understand why this wouldn't be attempted. If it isn't in the works, I hope it will be soon.

 

[dotr]

Has it really been 20 years already?
Deep River John Doe

Discovered
September 5, 2001
Unidentified for
20 years
Sex
Male
Location
Deep River, Ontario
Age
28 - 40
Race
White
Height
5'3 - 5'4
Weight
130 pounds
Body condition
Recognizable face
Postmortem interval
2 - 3 Days
Cause of death
Overdose
''John Doe was found in an outhouse outside of a locked ski cabin owned by the Deep River Cross Country Ski Club. He had likely been hiking for several miles, as there are no vehicle-accessible roads nearby and no other means of transportation were found in the area. He was well-tanned, and his face was recently sunburned.

His cause of death was determined to be a result of stimulant overdose, likely caused by an overuse of caffeine and weight loss pills. He may have done this as a suicide or been purposely killed through drugs.''


Sketch by Lynn Cedarstaff (profile view)

Photograph of ring

 

[carbuff]

That ring sure looks like a black opal.

 

[Gina20]

Has it really been 20 years already?
Deep River John Doe

Discovered
September 5, 2001
Unidentified for
20 years
Sex
Male
Location
Deep River, Ontario
Age
28 - 40
Race
White
Height
5'3 - 5'4
Weight
130 pounds
Body condition
Recognizable face
Postmortem interval
2 - 3 Days
Cause of death
Overdose
''John Doe was found in an outhouse outside of a locked ski cabin owned by the Deep River Cross Country Ski Club. He had likely been hiking for several miles, as there are no vehicle-accessible roads nearby and no other means of transportation were found in the area. He was well-tanned, and his face was recently sunburned.

His cause of death was determined to be a result of stimulant overdose, likely caused by an overuse of caffeine and weight loss pills. He may have done this as a suicide or been purposely killed through drugs.''


Sketch by Lynn Cedarstaff (profile view)

Photograph of ring

The 20th anniversary of this Quebec man's disappearance was marked with a different photo that I had not seen before. I know that the Laurentian Hills man did not have a tattoo, but this image of Frédéric Cormier looks more like him than ever, right down to the Adam's apple, IMO.

| MONTRÉAL | Frédéric Cormier Missing since January 11th 2001 - MDIQ

 

[dotr]

The 20th anniversary of this Quebec man's disappearance was marked with a different photo that I had not seen before. I know that the Laurentian Hills man did not have a tattoo, but this image of Frédéric Cormier looks more like him than ever, right down to the Adam's apple, IMO.

| MONTRÉAL | Frédéric Cormier Missing since January 11th 2001 - MDIQ

Résidence funéraire du Saguenay | Avis de décès de Jonquière, Kénogami et Arvida (www-rfsag-ca.translate.goog)
"Frédéric Cormier, reported missing on January 11, 2001, was recognized as legally deceased on December 8, 2008. At the time of his disappearance, he was 29 years old, lived in Montreal and was a native of Jonquière.''

 

[syllacrostics]

Wow, very close resemblance.

 

[syllacrostics]

Adding to last: FC was reportedly (via SPVM) last seen down the street from where I live! Mismatch with the tattoos though. Still searching for you, Bret.

 

[branmuffin]

Résidence funéraire du Saguenay | Avis de décès de Jonquière, Kénogami et Arvida (www-rfsag-ca.translate.goog)
"Frédéric Cormier, reported missing on January 11, 2001, was recognized as legally deceased on December 8, 2008. At the time of his disappearance, he was 29 years old, lived in Montreal and was a native of Jonquière.''

I do see a resemblance but the UID has no tattoos.

 

[Gina20]

I do wish this man's DNA would be analyzed using the latest modern techniques, in combination with a family tree search. I think his identity can re resolved. Where there's a will, there's a way.

 

[Gina20]

Adding to last: FC was reportedly (via SPVM) last seen down the street from where I live! Mismatch with the tattoos though. Still searching for you, Bret.

People were disappearing during the years of the biker war. Maybe this is another from those days.

 

[Vern]

People were disappearing during the years of the biker war. Maybe this is another from those days.

You may be on to something as FC's link posted above (and right below) clearly states, "Any information that could help solve these murders can be reported anonymously to the SPVM at 514-393-1133." His disappearance may immediately have been taken as suspected of being part of a series of murders and/or disappearances.

| MONTRÉAL | Frédéric Cormier Missing since January 11th 2001 - MDIQ

Frédéric Cormier was last seen on January 11, 2001, at 5155 rue d’Iberville in Montreal, when he was 30 years old. He used to see his son every week. At the time of his disappearance, Frédéric was weighing 70 kg and had brown hair. He was 170cm (5’7”) tall and had green eyes. He had […]

meurtresetdisparitions.com

So I'll take it that since 11 Jan, 2001 murder has been suspected (foul play) in his disappearance.

Is there a thread here for FC? I can't seem to find one?

I do find it interesting though that FC's obituary mentions in the last line that a volunteer will be present to collect donations for the MDJ in Jonquiere. The MDJ Jonquiere also serves Valcartier as can be seen in one of their rafting photos on their Facebook Site. Valcartier is the home of our major Canadian Army Base in Quebec (and of the Unit - The Royal 22nd Regiment [aka The Van Doos] that fed troops in to 1 Commando of the Canadian Airborne Regiment in Petawawa pre-1995). I'm curious if FC had a military linkeage (Army Brat etc) as he was living in Montreal at the time of his disappearance, but donations were called for the Youth Centre where he grew up.

Obit: Avis de décès de Frédéric Cormier

His Montreal Police Missing Site (with a different photo) with his stats:

Frédérick Cormier Service de police de la Ville de Montréal - SPVM

spvm.qc.ca

Description​

Frédérick Cormier a été vu pour la dernière fois le 11 janvier 2001 alors qu'il avait 30 ans. Il avait l'habitude de voir son fils à toutes les semaines.

Translation: FC was last seen on 11 Jan 2001 when he was 30 years of age. It was his habit to see his son every week.

 

[annemc2]

Bumping. Have been thinking that @RickshawFan might have some thoughts about this one. (no pressure!)

 

[RickshawFan]

I haven't read the whole thread....

I'll take the bait momentarily. Wild guess: he's Latin American, or else an expat living in Costa Rica. He looks Latin American to me.

For someone who's been dead a couple of days, you wouldn't know their eye color? Or? Cormier has green eyes.
Now I see back a few pages: blue eyes.

I'll bet authorities excluded Cormier. He seems an obvious person to look at because of adjacency in time, etc. Perhaps they even had some DNA from Cormier? The UID also has very good teeth: that would be an easy identifier. And he was circumcised...

The UID could have been given the hotel items by an acquaintance, and merely took the GNC bars to eat on his hike. I'm not sure anyone would commit suicide in a latrine when woods would be so much more pleasant, e.g. sitting under a tree. Maybe there was a sex encounter in the outhouse?

Now, I'll read more.

 

[Ozoner]

I haven't read the whole thread....

I'll take the bait momentarily. Wild guess: he's Latin American, or else an expat living in Costa Rica. He looks Latin American to me.

For someone who's been dead a couple of days, you wouldn't know their eye color? Or? Cormier has green eyes.
Now I see back a few pages: blue eyes.

I'll bet authorities excluded Cormier. He seems an obvious person to look at because of adjacency in time, etc. Perhaps they even had some DNA from Cormier? The UID also has very good teeth: that would be an easy identifier. And he was circumcised...

The UID could have been given the hotel items by an acquaintance, and merely took the GNC bars to eat on his hike. I'm not sure anyone would commit suicide in a latrine when woods would be so much more pleasant, e.g. sitting under a tree. Maybe there was a sex encounter in the outhouse?

Now, I'll read more.

I can't rule out suicide, but an accidental overdose seems more likely to me. Many people abuse over-the-counter medications and supplements in the pursuit of losing weight or maintaining weight loss.

 

[RickshawFan]

a blue nylon Eagle Creek backpack containing a candle, lantern, mini flashlight and a water container, protein bars from a GNC store, and had $60 cash (no wallet).

Snipped for focus. Eagle Creek would be a travel pack. Often, they're attached to a suitcase. Could his passport be with the suitcase? Weird he's carrying a plane ticket (with no name on it or traceable, like with a seat number?) and no passport.
See how he has 3 different lights? No spare clothes? No sleeping bag? This is super odd.
He was gonna do something in the woods.... not just hike around. I wonder if the candle is actually a "candle lantern", no comma. That would make more sense to me. That's a regular backpacking item, not so common now, but very common then.

This is not someone accustomed to hiking: he'd never dress like that. It's September, getting chilly. Hikers generally don't wear cotton: they wear synthetics or wool.
I tell ya, he's from Costa Rica.
Or.....crazy idea. Someone from Nicaragua who has fled over the border into CR. There's been a lot of vicious political turmoil in Nicaragua for decades (ummmm....a century?), so there are all kinds of exiles.

I guess I'd better read the whole thread.

 

[RickshawFan]

There's a lot of conflicting information in the "missing reports"....

Upthread, posters have named this UID Bret Stone, for ease of reference. I think we should continue that?

 

[RickshawFan]

When the ME report says "Caucasian, of European ancestry", and I say Central American, just FYI they are not mutually exclusive. Elite types can look very Caucasian. "European"? Consider that the president of Nicaragua (elected 2001) was Arnoldo Alemán Lacayo. Ahem, "alemán": Spanish word for "German"! I'd swear there were Nazis there, and they were entrenched in the power structure. Some were blonde, blue-eyed...
This is why I don't think we should rule out a Central American, and it might explain why a match is so difficult. Especially if a political refugee. I mean, thousands of people were going missing, getting tortured, killed, sneaking over the border into CR.
******
Also, now they do isotope analysis of UID's and they can identify where the UID has been the last few months. Isotope analysis on Bret Stone might be VERY interesting.

 

[RickshawFan]

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Trails: The Silver Spoon Trails in Deep River consist of 20 km of trails groomed for cross-country skiing by the Deep River Cross Country Ski Club and another 10 km of ungroomed trails. Four trails are groomed for both skating and classic technique. The club hosts the annual Silver Spoon Ski Fest in February.
There are two other ungroomed trail systems maintained by the club:
Cabin Trails, a network of 50 km of wilderness trails, just north of Algonquin Park
Forestry Trails at the Petawawa Research Forest, south of Chalk River, with 19 km of ungroomed trails.
Trail fees: Silver Spoon Trails: membership for frequent skiers or by donation for visitors
Tel: See the club website for contacts
Snow report:
Nearest town: Deep River, ON
Web site: Deep River Cross Country Ski Club | Valley Explorer Trails | Silver Spoon Classic
Trail map: Available on the DRXC website
Equipment rentals: No
Ski lessons: Programs for kids and adults
Other winter activities: Snowshoeing at Silver Spoon
Facilities: Chalet at Silver Spoon
Lodging on site: A backcountry cabin (7 km from the trailhead) on the Cabin trails can be rented from the club
Lodging nearby: Deep River has a few motels and other accommodations.
Weather forecast: Deep River
Tourism info: Deep River Tourism | Ottawa Valley Tourism
Location of trails: Silver Spoon Trails are located in Deep River on Balmers Bay Road, just past Banting Drive. Park at the hospital (on the left) or at the ski club chalet a little farther down the road on the right. The trails are on both sides of the road, the easier trails are on the north side.
There are two accesses to the Cabin Trails: at Josie Lane, a couple km northwest of Deep River on Hwy 17, and at the end of Bass Lake Road, 4 km northwest of Deep River on Hwy 17, just after Valley Ventures.
Petawawa Research Forest is on Clouthier Road, 5 km south of Chalk River on Hwy 17.
Map of local area: Silver Spoon Trails, Deep River

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Average rating: 4.50


Name of area: Deep River Cross Country
Times that I have skied there: Weekly
I last skied there in: Feb, 2003
Trails that I skied: D, R, X, C, M, S, B, H, F, L, P,
My favourite trails: F
Trail marking: Very good
Trail grooming: Fair
Rating: 4.5 stars
What I liked: the scenery is very wildernessy
the layout of the trails is fairly easy to follow with lots of maps
What I disliked:
Additional comments: don't ski into trees
Submitted by: JR
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It doesn't state anywhere the exact location that B.S was found, other than Laurentian Hills. So, if I had to make a guess I would say Clouthier Road is the closest access point to the trails from Laurentian Hills, which is located just west of Chalk River, then Deep River is the next town.

This cabin 7km in must be the location of the outhouse?

 

[RickshawFan]

The cabin seems to belong to this organization:

Facilities | DRXC

drxc.ca

This trail section is quite remote, and September 2001 was off-season. However, at least one other person had to have gone there, namely the person who found Bret. Not only that, it was quite soon after he died. I wish we knew more about the circumstances of the find.

 

[RickshawFan]

There are some professions where small stature is necessary, and weight loss pills are common. Jockey comes to mind.