Identified! Canada - Laurentian Hills, WhtMale 28-40, 334UMON, eyeglasses, Sep'01 - Name withheld

  • #161
True, only if they provides the smiling photo of RC. Then, we'll know whether it's match teeth between living RC & UID BS. From 6th photo, I see 3 moles on left side of his face unlike from what Carl saw.

I never seen anybody shrinking 5 inches so quickly in 8 months at young age. It only applies to old age people as they lose their original height & weight as the age progressed. It's hard to tell if it's same person that most of you agreed with.

I hope that DNA is the only way to answer it. It could be Raymond Carey.
I can zoom in IUD morgue pictures by a lot and you can see lots of detail; some things that look like moles seems to be dried blood, IMO. I can do even bigger images if you want me to, no problem :)

However Raymond's picture gets all distorted when zoomed-in. I wish we had a better quality picture of Raymond, and ITA that having a picture of him smiling will help.
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  • #162
I never seen anybody shrinking 5 inches so quickly in 8 months at young age. It only applies to old age people as they lose their original height & weight as the age progressed. It's hard to tell if it's same person that most of you agreed with.

I would not try to argue that he shrank. I am leaving open the possibility that either the UID's vital stats or Raymond's were incorrect. I have seen incorrect information numerous occasions in the past.

They list his height as 5'3" to 5'4". That is very unusually small for an adult male. Not that it's impossible, but with a resemblance so compelling, I at least consider the possibility that there is an error.
 
  • #163
I would not try to argue that he shrank. I am leaving open the possibility that either the UID's vital stats or Raymond's were incorrect. I have seen incorrect information numerous occasions in the past.

They list his height as 5'3" to 5'4". That is very unusually small for an adult male. Not that it's impossible, but with a resemblance so compelling, I at least consider the possibility that there is an error.

Wasn't the height of "BS" an "estimate"? Not sure why it would be estimated, unless LE hasn't told us something.

Why didn't they release the inseam length of his pants?
 
  • #164
I should have mentioned that Pepe Jeans were not only made in Canada at one point, they were made in Montreal.
 
  • #165
I must say that when I first spotted the photo of R.C.,the hair stood up at the back of my neck,but I was disappointed to see his height listed as 5 9''. Then I thought a guy 5 4'' might stretch the truth a bit and say 5 6'', and 6 upside down or read incorrectly would of course be a 9. I also wondered if the translation from French to English and Metric to Imperial measurement an error could result ,also various health ailments could affect height.Hazel's photo work makes comparisons much easier on us all! I hope it is a match and if it is it would be great if LE lets us know. If not, back to the drawing board!
 
  • #166
Ding, ding, ding! Dotr, it's a match! Thanks to Hazel, too, for the different perspectives.

Um, how about that bar where he worked?




Yes, how about that bar where he worked?? hmmm Dotr and Hazel, I think you should send this to LE, it could very well be the right guy!! The height difference could easily be an error, remember when DT was found there was a discrepancy in the height but it was her.
 
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The discrepancy in height could be the result of a messed-up conversion from metric to imperial measurements.

In googling "le chateau du sexe", there are hits that come up about a Nathalie Godbout who disappeared 3 months before Raymond Carey in September 2000. I can't seem to find an actual story about her disappearance. Wonder if Raymond's disappearance is somehow connected to hers.
 
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Oops, I just noticed this link in a previous post. Sorry!

I found a listing for Raymond Carey on a French/Quebec website. It has his height listed as 5'7" (which is a little closer to 5'5") and 181lbs. I've tried to insert the link. He's about half way down the page.

http://plumes-soyeuses.spaces.live....&partqs=cat=%2aDisparues%20%3f%20%21%20%3f%3f
No problem bodhi93, and yes, while I was posting my #148 I did notice that French site listed RC's height as 5' 7", and at first I was all excited, until I realized that it also mentions 1.75 m (just like the Sûreté du Québec site).

Reason why I decided not to post the following pic. Had it said 5'7" = 1.70 m, then I would have pointed it out. Will post that image below, but please take note that the 5' 7" does not equal 1.75 m

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Will post the following conversion list, just as reference (might come in handy for other cases as well):

5' 3" = 160 cm
5' 4" = 16256 cm --> estimate for our Deep River IUD (a.k.a. Bret Stone)
5' 5" = 165 cm
5' 6" = 16764 cm
5' 7" = 170 cm
5' 8" = 1727 cm
5' 9" = 175 cm --> Raymond Carey


Sûreté du Québec (English) If page shows blank, click were it says "Translating ..." http://translate.google.ca/translat...mond+Carey&hl=en&sa=G&biw=1440&bih=733&prmd=o

I sure hope there is a logical explanation for the height difference, and that it is a match, so our Bret Stone will finally be identified.
 
  • #171

I am hoping that LE has DNA from Raymond Carey, and was also wondering if he has family looking for him


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IUD's eyeglasses are for a near-sighted person, with expensive reflective coating on lenses​
Frame: Koh Sakai
Model No. KS9365
Colour: 6CPR
Size: 46-23-145
Right lens prescription: 2.50 -1.75 x 182
Left lens prescription: 3.50 -1.00 x 008
 
  • #172
No problem bodhi93, and yes, while I was posting my #148 I did notice that French site listed RC's height as 5' 7", and at first I was all excited, until I realized that it also mentions 1.75 m (just like the Sûreté du Québec site).

Reason why I decided not to post the following pic. Had it said 5'7" = 1.70 m, then I would have pointed it out. Will post that image below, but please take note that the 5' 7" does not equal 1.75 m

y1pOx4pU8bEqGJWXUG9KjHe2BPtbDhMd8N4-AyPvvPIDYynLDEck_zinexCfiIWlPnr6N2IaXOAPCA

Will post the following conversion list, just as reference (might come in handy for other cases as well):

5' 3" = 160 cm
5' 4" = 16256 cm --> estimate for our Deep River IUD (a.k.a. Bret Stone)
5' 5" = 165 cm
5' 6" = 16764 cm
5' 7" = 170 cm
5' 8" = 1727 cm
5' 9" = 175 cm --> Raymond Carey


Sûreté du Québec (English) If page shows blank, click were it says "Translating ..." http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.sq.gouv.qc.ca/personnes-disparues/raymond-carey.jsp&ei=xRG1TKaIF4b2tgOc88G-CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB0Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DDisparition%2Bde%2BRaymond%2BCarey%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D733%26prmd%3Do

I sure hope there is a logical explanation for the height difference, and that it is a match, so our Bret Stone will finally be identified.

It could be as simple as this: sometimes when we are asked for our height, we give it in Imperial. The person taking the information will ask, "Do you know what it is in metric?" And if we don't, they sometimes just take a guess. It happens. Same with weight. It would probably be a lot simpler for the licensing bureau to weigh and measure everyone when they renew their drivers' licences. Then again, I know someone whose eye color was changed without their knowledge (no contact lenses involved). They found out weeks later when the DL arrived.
 
  • #173
It could be as simple as this: sometimes when we are asked for our height, we give it in Imperial. The person taking the information will ask, "Do you know what it is in metric?" And if we don't, they sometimes just take a guess. It happens. Same with weight. It would probably be a lot simpler for the licensing bureau to weigh and measure everyone when they renew their drivers' licences. Then again, I know someone whose eye color was changed without their knowledge (no contact lenses involved). They found out weeks later when the DL arrived.
That's right Summer :) that's why I am not very concerned re the height discrepancy, it might just be a mistake. I am 99.999999999999999999999 % sure it's a match! :)
Thanks to Goldengoldilocks, CarlK90245, sunshiny_day, carbuff, Carolyn_H., maxfactor, SB, SS, etc. for your encouraging posts, and to dotr! Even the eyeglasses look like the same pair to me; they are not resting on the IUD's nose bridge on that pic, while they are kind of low on RC's pic, but that's JMHO.
 
  • #174
Even the eyeglasses look like the same pair to me; they are not resting on the IUD's nose bridge on that pic, while they are kind of low on RC's pic, but that's JMHO.

The one thing that makes me think they aren't the same pair is that the bridge arches vertically on John Doe's glasses, but the arch extends horizontally on Raymond's glasses.
 
  • #175
Don't know what happened, images are no longer showing, so will repost them as screenshots, plus enlarged images

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IUD's eyeglasses are for a near-sighted person, with expensive reflective coating on lenses​
Frame: Koh Sakai
Model No. KS9365
Colour: 6CPR
Size: 46-23-145
Right lens prescription: 2.50 -1.75 x 182
Left lens prescription: 3.50 -1.00 x 008
 

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  • #176
The one thing that makes me think they aren't the same pair is that the bridge arches vertically on John Doe's glasses, but the arch extends horizontally on Raymond's glasses.
Oh, I think I see what you mean! I don't wear glasses so I've never noticed that, LOL

Adding link to eyeglasses site: http://www.badausa.com/
 
  • #177
Surely he could have owned two pairs of glasses. (UID and CR)
I own two, and both are well over $700....
 
  • #178
Surely he could have owned two pairs of glasses. (UID and CR)
I own two, and both are well over $700....
LOL you are totally right MsRyber! besides we don't even know when was RC's picture taken.
 
  • #179
It could be as simple as this: sometimes when we are asked for our height, we give it in Imperial. The person taking the information will ask, "Do you know what it is in metric?" And if we don't, they sometimes just take a guess. It happens. Same with weight. It would probably be a lot simpler for the licensing bureau to weigh and measure everyone when they renew their drivers' licences. Then again, I know someone whose eye color was changed without their knowledge (no contact lenses involved). They found out weeks later when the DL arrived.

One further note: all it takes is a hasty click on the wrong line of a drop-down menu at the licensing bureau for an agent to alter the unalterable, such as the color of a person's eyes.
 
  • #180
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ew-way-of-identifying-people-in-airports.html
Ears provide new way of identifying people in airports
The shape of a person's ears could provide a new way of identifying people in airports following new research.

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Published: 8:30AM BST 10 Oct 2010

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Who owns ears like these. From the left, Tony Blair, David Cameron and Prince Charles Photo: REX Forget fingerprints or the colour of your eyes, airport security could soon be looking at the shape of your ears when deciding whether to allow you into the country

Researchers have discovered that each person's ears have a unique shape and have created a system that is able to scan them. The scans can then be compared with a database of ear shapes to identify whose they are.


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ID card scheme to be launched in ManchesterThey hope that the system can be used to take pictures of a person's ear as they walk through passport control.

Professor Mark Nixon, who led the team from the school of electronics and computer science at the University of Southampton, said: "There are a whole load of structures in the ear that you can use to get a set of measurements that are unique to an individual.

"With biometrics, a lot of the problems is what happens when people get old. With facial recognition, the systems are often confused by crows feet and other signs of ageing. Your ears, however, age very gracefully. They grow proportionally larger and your lobe gets a bit more elongated, but otherwise your ears are fully formed from birth."

Many other biometric approaches used to identify people can be easily confused or are difficult to use.

Facial recognition software, for example, is often confused by changes in expression so people need to maintain a neutral expression and in some cases even avoid wearing make up.

The UK Passport Service has been trialing facial recognition at Standsted Airport since 2008.

Retina scanning trials have also been used, but these require subjects to look directly at a scanner at close range.

The ear scanning technique uses a technology called image ray transform that highlights all the tubular structures of the ear and measures them.

Professor Nixon believes ear scanning could take place as passengers walk though security gates, for example, by placing cameras on either side to capture an image of their ears.

All British passports now carry chips that can hold biometric information on them and pictures of a person's ears could be added to that.

Professor Nixon and his team tested 252 images of different ears and found the system was able to match each ear to a separate image held in its database with 99 per cent accuracy.

They recently presented their results at the Fourth International Conference on Biometrics.

"Fingerprints are one of the best ways we have of identifying an individual at the moment," said Professor Nixon. "But on some people, even they are not so effective. Bakers and brick layers tend not to have obvious fingerprints as the distinctive whirls rub off.

"It is harder to do that with your ears, but there is one thing that can get in the way of the ears and that is hair. In reality, I expect there won't be a single approach, but in fact a combination of different biometrics that can be taken simultaneously to identify an individual."

A spokesman for the Home Office said they were aware of the ear identification technology but were not considering introducing it for use with British passports.

He said: "We welcome new and innovative technology but this is not an approach we are considering at the moment."
 

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