CANADA Canada - Lloyd Larsfolk, 14, & John McCormick, 15, Caledon ON, Aug 1981

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I understand how everyone has an opinion on what happened but please be respectful on what you write. I am a relative of John's and have spent time at the property. Not all information people post on here is correct..
Welcome to Ws jondoenoname!
Hopefully somebody will write a new article to help bring attention to this case. Meanwhile found this..

Nicoll Investigations
''In 1975, we have five-year-old Tracey Bruney in Etobicoke. In 1981, we have Erick Larsfolk in the company of his best friend, John McCormack. Neither body have ever been found. Do you believe this is all connected to the man that he referred to as the neighbour?

We then see four remarkably similar murders — in terms of ammunition and signature — in the Toronto area in the immediate vicinity of the area, in which he is living at the time after moving from London.

While these lives are being taken in Toronto, Alsop is trying to sound the alarm to his superiors that this is the work of a serial killer and it started in London and has moved to Toronto.

In the book, there is a very chilling document that was found in his codex … and it is the first of several teletype transmissions he sent, like an early version of a fax, and it is sent to the higher ups in Toronto saying, listen, London is under siege by [what he refers to as] sexual psychopaths, which is not a common term certainly for a police officer to be using at the time. He is saying there are at least two or more sexual psychopaths preying on this city. We need reinforcements. He was effectively alone in the hinterland. And there is no evidence there was any response. It fell on deaf ears and really the city was left to its own devices with him as the sole person chasing these killers.''
 
  • #122
Hi, new here. I just have a love for picking up on old cases and hoping I can be of some help.
My Theory (based on facts of this case and my intuition): The boys were last seen by a neighbor named Paul Lalonde who lived down the road when he was dropping off John Jr.’s sister Kim McCormick at 9p.m on August 24th, 1981. He said the boys were in the driveway and it was difficult to back out because they were in the way in the driveway. He was apparently driving a lincoln. From here, many things could have transpired between 9p.m (last seen) and 11p.m when John Jr’s mother came knocking on Eric Larsfolk’s parents door looking for her son. If they were in the driveway at 9p.m, imagine being a boy around 15 with your friend and it’s getting dark. Your sister just gets dropped off, and she will want to see what your doing. Run and hide to try and scare her perhaps? Then get out near the road where someone who promises to deliver them both home picks them up but never does return them? (it is 708 metres between Eric's house and John Jr's,. Kim apparently never sees the boys when she leaves the vehicle but Paul does, so either they were just hiding from her when she came looking for them or something about Paul's story doesn't add up, why would he lie about seeing them? In my opinion, he should also be a suspect at this point, and his property should also be searched.

What I continue about here is just a Theory, I hope I do not offend anyone.
The boys bodies are hid overnight while the search is taking place (then called off early due to safety reasons, as it was dark and equipment from the gravel pit was scattered around). Giving the killer enough time to relocate the bodies before morning away from the intended search zones. The father and McCullough were good friends, drunks and drinking buddies, that likely worked together to hide evidence. It was stated that red clay was seen in McCullough’s truck the day after the disappearance, the same day John Sr gave McCullough gas money to go “Fill the Truck”. Iron oxide soils are prevalent in this area, and is a clue as to where the bodies might be located? If McCullough loaded the bodies in the truck, grabbed the shovel that went missing off the job site and buried them kilometres away on or near his property, then they would still unlikely be found today as it’s not stated that McCullough’s was ever properly searched. He could have buried them anywhere though, as he knew he could have been part of the investigation due to his truck being moved the morning after the search began and got nervous. He could have went anywhere before morning and buried them, but I am guessing anywhere within a 20km radius is not out of the question and the most probable at night since it would be more comfortable with Familiar surroundings but perhaps the bodies could have been moved multiple times over the years as well? Those boys are dead, bodies buried in that general area in my opinion. THe places that were extensively searched are just really likely not where they are buried, searches have to be done elsewhere.I always thought there was a possibility Kim knew what happened, but that became more unlikely after learning John Sr. dies in 1987 and she still doesn’t speak up. If those boys were in the driveway and Kim never ended up seeing them, this means they ran to hide when she arrived, if they were even seen in the driveway at all, and if they really weren't there, Paul should have been questioned more during the time of disappearance. Otherwise Kim would have seen them, and also it becomes apparent that John Sr. didn’t leave the property because he couldn’t leave the daughter at home alone unless he found the boys outside on the property near the house and Kim went to sleep until the mother came home at 10:30 and found the boys were gone. Someone out on the roadway killed those boys, maybe by accident as well? McCullough due to his violent nature and being around the family? Just remember this could have been any weirdo driving Horseshoe hill road after 9p.m.

Takeaway's: Paul Lalonde is now a suspect.
 
  • #123
I will also say this, if Paul Lalonde's wife was with them in the lincoln and they seen Kim walk towards where the boys were standing after dropping her off, then why didn't they see her again standing with them while trying to back out of the driveway while they were so nervous about looking out for them and not to hit them? This little story doesn't add up, someone is lying here. Kim, or the Lalonde's.
 
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The field car was found half way between our house and the gravel pit. The area where the car was left was the place that we left our old scrap cars for parts and sometimes left the old junkers like the one John was using as a field car. The only way you could start the car was with two screw drivers. The screwdrivers were left under the hood of the car. There was a dirt path that led from our house to the gravel pit and the car was on this path. If the car would not start they would not have gone to Eric's house as it was farther away and we had an autobody shop on the property that was full of tools.

I am not sure where David was that night. I believe he was in Fort Erie with friends.

I will have to check the article again on the OPP officer but I believe his court case of 10 sexual assualts on young men is being heard in Orangeville or Brampton Courts now. The acrticle was in last weeks local Caledon paper. I believe the officer is now 63 years old.
Hi Kim, I truly hope someone finds out what happened to your brother and Eric. I know it is difficult for you but could you answer some questions? There haven't been any new posts in a while and I'd like to keep the conversation going.
Q. Lloyd Larsfolk had mentioned that when his family moved into the house on Horseshoe Hill Road that there were a bunch of police cars at your house. Do you recall what the issue was?
Q. Do you know where Paul Lalonde went while you were babysitting? I believe Aug 24, 1981 was a Monday.
Q. Do you know where John Jr and his friend Dwayne went the night before? They apparently stayed out late in Orangeville. Do you know what time John Jr got back home that night?
Q. Regarding George McCullough - apparently the day after the boys went missing McCullough and his truck had red soil all over them. I know Caledon well and that it is known for its clay soil in areas (Clay Hills/Badlands). Did you have clay on your property? I believe the gravel pit behind your house was mostly sand. I think its worth noting that there are some heavy red clay areas right on Hockley Hills Rd and just behind the McCullough property.
Q: was George McCullough the only one working for your dad at the property on Aug 24th? What did he actually do? Did he ever bring any of his children with him to work?
Q: Who could have Paul Lalonde mistaken the boys for? Were other kids at your property when he dropped you off?
Q: Did John Jr have some favourite places to hang out at? Old barn, fishing spots, places that he would want to show to a new friend?

Thank you kindly.
 
  • #127
Hey guys i know its been a while, ive been following this case for years. I was frequently a visitor at the house that backed up onto the McCormick property, we only needed to cross a fence and the gravel pit to get to their property. We never did though, water always freaked me out. I know a lot about the area though.
My friend who lived there at the time said she found a human bone on her property in a rubble pit, im not sure how credible this is and they never went to the police with it, it very well could have been a animal bone from wild or a animal bone from the farmer that lived there. But if they are buried on the property... it could be theirs possibly dug up by an animal. I would love to see some ground penetrating technology done on the property as well as maybe a proper search of the pit? like someone said a hook may not have been able to catch. The McCullough's property possibly too. So many psychics have said theyre buried on the property why was it never investigated more? It just seems like the police didnt do so much and these boys deserved so much more than this.
I do think something happened to them, I cant imagine both boys running away and staying away and hidden for this long, the theory they hitchhiked to the Toronto Ex sounds unreasonable as it was 7pm when eric biked over and it takes about an hour and a bit to get to the Toronto fair grounds. I sadly do believe the outcome wasn't a good one for them. The family deserves closure.
Hi Dutch1217,
I recently discovered that Caledon has a lot of old lime kilns, some of which have been preserved and visitors can hike to them. Then I saw this old map (which I've attached) that shows two old lime kilns near where the gravel pit is. One of those is on the property I think you are describing. I'm wondering if it is the "rubble pit" you are referring to? Any chance you can follow up with your friend that found "the human bone"?
If it is, and the boys happened to be down the shaft, I'm wondering if the lime would have covered up their scent from the police dogs?
This also made me think of old rural septic tanks that had large lids. Terrible to think of but some of these septic tanks are hidden because they are an eyesore. I wonder if the septic tanks were checked.
Thanks!
 

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Added: Prior to 2011; Last Updated: 12/08/2024 - By: kc


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Left: Larsfolk, circa 1981; Right: Age-progressed image
Name: Lloyd Eric Larsfolk
Nickname/Alias: Eric
Case Classification: Non-Family Abduction
Missing Since: August 24, 1981
Location Last Seen: Caledon, Ontario Canada.

Physical Description

Date of Birth: September 4, 1966
Age: 14 years old
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'0"
Weight: 79 lbs.
Hair Color: Blonde, short, parted in middle.
Eye Color: Blue
Distinguishing Marks/Features: A small brown birthmark on the left side of his waist.

Identifiers

Dentals: He has a darkened front tooth.
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Unknown

Clothing & Personal Items

Clothing: Last seen wearing blue jeans, a blue and white long-sleeved shirt and tan colored work boots.
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance

Larsfolk was last seen at McCormick Farm in Caledon, Ontario Canada.
Larsfolk disappeared with John McCormick, 250DMON.
They were hanging out together driving a field car on the McCormick farm.
The prime suspect in the abduction is now deceased.

 
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Age-Progression

Left and Center: McCormick, circa 1981; Right: Age-progressed image of McCormick at an unknown age

Name: John Patrick McCormick
Case Classification: Non-Family Abduction
Missing Since: August 24, 1981
Location Last Seen: Caledon, Ontario, Canada.

Physical Description​

Date of Birth: February 26, 1966
Age: 15 years old
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'4"
Weight: 95 lbs
Hair Color: Blonde
Eye Color: Blue
Nickname/Alias: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: McCormick is right-handed, has freckles on his face and has a thin build.

Identifiers​

Dentals: His upper teeth are straight and the lower teeth slightly crowded.
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Unknown

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Unknown
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance​

McCormick disappeared from his family's farm in Caledon, Ontario Canada on August 24, 1981.

Eric Larsfolk vanished along with McCormick. They were hanging out together driving a field car on the McCormick farm.

The prime suspect in the abduction is now deceased.
 

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