GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[genbug84]

Another pot on Victorias wall dated Sep/5/2009

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So we know she was in NB at some point in September 2009.



On Sep/23/2009

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October 14th 2009
Vicki posts she is Ottawa bound for the weekend, and in her comments says of course Pet. (Pet meaning visiting Petawawa)


October 16, 2009 VH posts
west coast bound?



I will update if I find anymore posts regarding her locations, for the timeline.


Edit

August 17 2010 VH states she is Nova Scotia now to live.

Dec 10 2010 she is still living in Nova Scotia, (Halifax)

Dec 27 2011 - She is leaving NS in a week to go out west (Alberta)

 

[codeofhonour]

The problem with that forum is that it is not current. I checked a couple of the names on the list and they have been found, but there's nothing in the linked info to suggest that the case is closed. I think it's better to rely on official sites such as:

http://www.albertapolicereport.ca/tag/missing-person/

http://www.calgarycrimestoppers.org/unsolved-crimes

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Excellent point. Perhaps unsolved may be useful at times only to support or validate some things found elsewhere. ( links to news sources kind of thing )

 

[kdgdid]

I think it is also possible that this was the first time they killed anyone. From what I remember BL had charges for possession of pot, theft of a vehicle, assault and fraud.

VH under the name Galbraith has a charge of uttering threats against another women in Halifax. The charge of uttering threats has an a,b,and c classification and a is the most serious with up to a 5 years in jail sentence. She was charged was classified as an [a].

I am wondering rather than killing someone before if these 2 were escalating and VH's dislike of LS's life because VH thought that LS's had the life she deserved just pushed her over the edge.

I doubt that all the schooling reported by LH is even true true.

 

[genbug84]

Ok so now that Ive learned no screen shots from Vickis page I will summarize a timeline I have done up so far in proper order. If you noticed I missed something let me know.

Sep 5 2009 - Living in Moncton, NB working at Bureau Broadcasting Measurement.

Oct 14 2009 - Going to visit Ottawa & Petawawa

Oct 16 2009 - She posts west coast bound?

Aug 17 2010 - Living In Nova Scotia

Sep 19 2010 - Working at call centre Blue Ocean in Halifax.

Dec 10 2010 - references a bar "here" in Halifax. So still living there.

Dec 27 2011 - Writes see ya NS, ...westbound (Edmonton)

March 22 2012 - Got Engaged to Blake Leggette

May 2012 - Living in Pembroke, On

Aug 2012 - Moved to Victoria BC

October 2012 Living in Chilliwack, BC

February 2013 - Living in Calgary, AB

March 2013 - States back living in Pembroke, ON

Sept 27 2013 - Says this time next week were going to Halifax

October 2013 - Still in Pembroke

Oct 26 2013 - Posts that going to Calgary or "Cowtown" next month.

November 2013 - Living in Calgary, AB

January 2014 - Living in Halifax

February 2014- Living in Halifax, @ Cowie Hill

February 13 2014- Loretta Saunders goes to apartment where VH & BL are residing (renting etc)

Feb 17 2014 - LS reported Missing

Feb 19 2014 - VH and BL arrested in Harrow, ON

 

[Miranda]

Based on the trail they left behind I'd imagine that if they had done this before we'd have heard about it by now,

 

[musicaljoke]

Genbug, that's very helpful. Do we know when and if BL was with her at these places.

 

[basilcat]

Oooh, there are more than I realized.

It just bugs me to no end to think the authorities couldn't have caught up with these two before their worthless lives culminated in the murder of a beautiful, intelligent woman who had so much to offer to society.

Hi truth prevails,

Unfortunately I only have time to literally skim through posts right now...but I see your name and kitty avatar.. And love your perseverance and intellect in these cases...:seeya:
Hope to find time to catch up..take care...you're one of the best...

 

[newone]

It is tragic and disheartening how much crime has been occuring in my small town of Petawawa, or the ties to other cases that have connections to here.

Yes the timeline of Victoria living in different areas, would have put her in this area at the time Melissa Richmond (nee: Wilson) was murdered and found in a ditch outside Ottawa ( offhand dont remember where exactly it was).

I went to school with Melissa, for many years, and our community was extremely shaken when she went missing, and then of course when she was found deceased. It has since come out that her husband is the guilty party, even as far as turning down bail opportunity in January. As I went to school with Melissa, I know that Victoria did not, as I did not go to school with Vicki.


Also I have seen references to another tradgedy from my area, the murder of Petawawa resident Dan Pietersma, and attack on his wife Sharlene, as well as 17 yr old a street over, Emma Guthrie.
There is no connection to Victoria there either, Dan was a long time friend of my families, as well as a former co-worker of my mothers. The town is outraged at the accused "Brian David Goddard". My family, myself included have gone to every single court appearance in regards to Dan's murder, with the exception of one. Nothing has really happened thus far. We have seen Brian David Goddard appear on tv for his "appearance'. It keeps getting pushed further and further back.

After these 2 incidents, hearing about Loretta's case and that yet again there was a connection to our little town shook my very core. My heart weeps for Loretta, her unborn child and family & friends.

As for Victoria being employed by DND, mutual friends of ours have said this is definately false. She was employed as a cleaner at one time and it very well may have been on the DND property as many civilians are hired to clean there, that would make her "employed by DND" but thats about it.

I am so grateful that you are able to shed light on the disturbing events in Petawawa. Normally that part of the world is pretty low key and stable. When the horrible stabbing rampage of Goddard took place there was much coverage as they locked down the base and RCMP swept the town. Then came the news blackout. It made me think that there were connections that we ''little people'' didn't need to know by the powers that be.

As most of the residents in Petawawa are somehow connected to the military, and have fixed routines and addresses, my thoughts of connecting the dots from Goddard to VH stemmed from the common denominator of ''no fixed address'' and their similar ages. I would guess that ''transients'' in that area would know each other as to where to find shelter for the night or a place to crash etc. In other words they ran possibly in the same ''circles'' and may have known each other etc.

I hope that the two survivors of Goddard's rampage are healing now and are getting lots of support. I hope justice is served for the Piersma family and wish the same for Loretta Saunder's family.

 

[newone]

Oh my Genbug

she was in the area when Goddard did his spree --

 

[Truth Prevails]

I think it is also possible that this was the first time they killed anyone. From what I remember BL had charges for possession of pot, theft of a vehicle, assault and fraud.

VH under the name Galbraith has a charge of uttering threats against another women in Halifax. The charge of uttering threats has an a,b,and c classification and a is the most serious with up to a 5 years in jail sentence. She was charged was classified as an [a].

I am wondering rather than killing someone before if these 2 were escalating and VH's dislike of LS's life because VH thought that LS's had the life she deserved just pushed her over the edge.

I doubt that all the schooling reported by LH is even true true.

BBM - I agree whole heartedly.

On the date below, she wrote:

Oct. 3, 2013: Wrote that she had been back in Pembroke since the end of March, and would only be staying until December. She said she was “just killing time in university.”

The above is paraphrased by me, (except the last few words.)

Read comment here: http://i58.tinypic.com/29xyr0m.jpg

Loretta had done the work, and the rewards were right there for her--just around the corner, and VH's jealously made sure that didn't happen.

Another interesting thing I noted from material provided by Genbug 84 was that VH said that she lived in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador in 1989.

They are saying Loretta is from Newfoundland and Labrador. I can't find a city, but perhaps they did know each other--or possibly their families did. Also, I'm sure Loretta would have felt more favourable towards VH, just knowing she had spent time in her home province.

I thought it was an interesting possible connection, anyway.

See here: http://i57.tinypic.com/i3ayo4.jpg

 

[newone]

Truth Prevails

I think you nailed it.

VH didn't have accomplishment, supportive family, worthwhile relationship w/significant other and stability.

All of which created a green eyed monster perhaps

 

[kdgdid]

BBM - I agree whole heartedly.

On the date below, she wrote:

Oct. 3, 2013: Wrote that she had been back in Pembroke since the end of March, and would only be staying until December. She said she was “just killing time in university.”

The above is paraphrased by me, (except the last few words.)

Read comment here: http://i58.tinypic.com/29xyr0m.jpg

Loretta had done the work, and the rewards were right there for her--just around the corner, and VH's jealously made sure that didn't happen.

Another interesting thing I noted from material provided by Genbug 84 was that VH said that she lived in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador in 1989.

They are saying Loretta is from Newfoundland and Labrador. I can't find a city, but perhaps they did know each other--or possibly their families did. Also, I'm sure Loretta would have felt more favourable towards VH, just knowing she had spent time in her home province.

I thought it was an interesting possible connection, anyway.

See here: http://i57.tinypic.com/i3ayo4.jpg

I can not find a Booth Memorial High School in Ont only in St John's Newfoundland
VH was supposedly in Ont in the Ottawa Valley living in foster homes around this time.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Ok so now that Ive learned no screen shots from Vickis page I will summarize a timeline I have done up so far in proper order. If you noticed I missed something let me know.

Sep 5 2009 - Living in Moncton, NB working at Bureau Broadcasting Measurement.

Oct 14 2009 - Going to visit Ottawa & Petawawa

Oct 16 2009 - She posts west coast bound?

Aug 17 2010 - Living In Nova Scotia

Sep 19 2010 - Working at call centre Blue Ocean in Halifax.

Dec 10 2010 - references a bar "here" in Halifax. So still living there.

Dec 27 2011 - Writes see ya NS, ...westbound (Edmonton)

March 22 2012 - Got Engaged to Blake Leggette

May 2012 - Living in Pembroke, On

Aug 2012 - Moved to Victoria BC

October 2012 Living in Chilliwack, BC

February 2013 - Living in Calgary, AB

March 2013 - States back living in Pembroke, ON

Sept 27 2013 - Says this time next week were going to Halifax

October 2013 - Still in Pembroke

Oct 26 2013 - Posts that going to Calgary or "Cowtown" next month.

November 2013 - Living in Calgary, AB

January 2014 - Living in Halifax

February 2014- Living in Halifax, @ Cowie Hill

February 13 2014- Loretta Saunders goes to apartment where VH & BL are residing (renting etc)

Feb 17 2014 - LS reported Missing

Feb 19 2014 - VH and BL arrested in Harrow, ON

Just clicking the thanks button wasn't enough! :loveyou:

This is great!

Bold by me -- Another little interesting thing I noticed was that VH worked in Moncton, NB. (I believe BBM is a call centre.) Salisbury is just a short drive from Moncton, so that is another area she was probably very familiar with.

I did this map with marker "A" representing the approximate location of where she could have worked in 2009; and "B" being the Salisbury Big Stop.

Loretta's body was found four kilometres west of the Salisbury Big Stop in the median of the Trans-Canada Highway.

http://goo.gl/maps/BSHwO

 

[Truth Prevails]

I can not find a Booth Memorial High School in Ont only in St John's Newfoundland
VH was supposedly in Ont in the Ottawa Valley living in foster homes around this time.

I know. My head is spinning right now.

This girl lies so much I don't think she even knows the truth.

That's probably the only thing we can be sure of, at the moment.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I think it is also possible that this was the first time they killed anyone. From what I remember BL had charges for possession of pot, theft of a vehicle, assault and fraud.

VH under the name Galbraith has a charge of uttering threats against another women in Halifax. The charge of uttering threats has an a,b,and c classification and a is the most serious with up to a 5 years in jail sentence. She was charged was classified as an [a].

I am wondering rather than killing someone before if these 2 were escalating and VH's dislike of LS's life because VH thought that LS's had the life she deserved just pushed her over the edge.

I doubt that all the schooling reported by LH is even true true.

I know. My head is spinning right now.

This girl lies so much I don't think she even knows the truth.

That's probably the only thing we can be sure of, at the moment.

I'm sorry to be quoting this twice; but I just went back and looked up the article on VH's "unhappy" life that ran in The Chronicle Herald.

Let's not be too quick to dismiss the possible Newfoundland and Labrador connection, because they didn't really confirm what VH was doing after the age of 14. Apparently they could not reach whoever she was supposedly living with after that age.

Henneberry left that Chalk River home at 14. The couple who cared for her then still live in Chalk River, but their phone had a continuous busy signal Thursday night.
...
A woman who ran a group home in Smiths Falls where Henneberry later lived could not be reached.
...
http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1190251-accused-led-unhappy-life

 

[Truth Prevails]

Truth Prevails

I think you nailed it.

VH didn't have accomplishment, supportive family, worthwhile relationship w/significant other and stability.

All of which created a green eyed monster perhaps

Interesting, because she had some family.

[modsnip].

I think she is just one of those people where the evil was bound to erupt from her very soul--sooner or later.

I think if we really knew the truth, we would discover that Miss VH had more opportunities in her "unhappy" life than Loretta had.

Loretta dug her heels and did the work; this one laid around and finally [allegedly] committed murder.

[modsnip] http://i62.tinypic.com/1rq1j6.jpg


Editing to add: Thanks to Genbug84 for linking the photo.

 

[kdgdid]

I know. My head is spinning right now.

This girl lies so much I don't think she even knows the truth.

That's probably the only thing we can be sure of, at the moment.

Mine to trying to figure out the truth from the lies is making my head hurt.

Another problem has VH graduating from high school in the article with the interview with the former foster sister she said VH left school early. The year is right if she left school at 17 which former foster sister said is when she lost track of her.

That means VH would of been on her own 11 years possibly moving to Halifax as early as 2007.

I am trying to figure out her legal last name and the link she has to Halifax.

In my opinion she was looking for connections first to family and then to men who she was involved with.:banghead:

 

[Truth Prevails]

Genbug, that's very helpful. Do we know when and if BL was with her at these places.

I hope you don't mind if I jump in here for a minute.

Genbug has in her timeline that VH said that they got engaged in March of 2012; so I would suspect that they were already living together at that time.

It's kind of dicey whether to believe it or not, as the engagement date came from VH, herself. :fence:

Quote: March 22 2012 - Got Engaged to Blake Leggette
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[kdgdid]

I hope you don't mind if I jump in here for a minute.

Genbug has in her timeline that VH said that they got engaged in March of 2012; so I would suspect that they were already living together at that time.

It's kind of dicey whether to believe it or not, as the engagement date came from VH, herself. :fence:

Quote: March 22 2012 - Got Engaged to Blake Leggette
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BL's family has ties to New Germany NS. [modsnip]

VH says that they were together for 2.5 years so if she is not lying[LOL] later part of 2010 early 2011.

 

[Figuring]

Hi gang, I've been offline most the weekend but just want to say, excellent sleuthing!! THink it's very important to establish timelines for two reasons, 1. Whether previous (major) crimes have been perpetuated and/or 2. Whether one or both of these two had become more desperate, as something of a trigger/motive.

Agree with both assessments that A) Loretta represented to VH stabliity/success and that B) LS's pregancy might have triggered some not-so-latent self-hate/mother-hate? in VH. Without much info on BL it does appear VH is the protagonist in this tragic event.

Keep wondering what she was reading so closely in transport to court. Was it a sign or was she simply distracting herself. Slim book--couidn't help but think it was poetry?!