GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[studyer]

A search of kijiji for december for cowie hill apartment sublets brings up this ad but you can't read the whole ad - it's just the cache. The point is: first 2 months free rent is offered. I'm guessing it's not a related ad, I am just posting it to show that we could spend all day trying to deduce the rent arrangement from the $700 in msm and still be wrong.

Whoever sublet this place would've had sublet tenants in for two months without a single penny in rent, presumably.

So, same building, similar time of year, this was the option being offered. Who's to say that LS didn't have to do something similar? I can't link it because it's cached so hopefully it's ok to post?

2 bedroom apartment for rent in Cowie Hill, Halifax for $700 per month! Heat, hot water and parking included! Spacious rooms, beautiful view, laminate flooring, located on the 6th floor. Coin laundry on every floor. Great opportunity for a great price! We have to move to another province, so we are looking for a sublet to start the new lease in January. Pets : Cats are allowed (dogs are not allowed) Since we are moving urgently we will pay the rent for the first two months -January and

 

[otto]

Yes. So anyone including you can ask for something to be tabled. Just wanted to say that you could have something tabled so you know that it was not mackay that actually did the documents. In this case it was the ndp who asked for the inquiry that was submitted to the ndp.

Don't really know how to explain it really.

The bottom line is he has no respect and should be fired.

He asked that 30-40 documents related to missing aboriginal women be "tabled". Wouldn't that mean that he is asking that those documents are moved forward in the process? Isn't that a good thing? If being "tabled" means that the process goes forward, why is there criticism of the person that proposed that the documents be "tabled"?

 

[otto]

A search of kijiji for december for cowie hill apartment sublets brings up this ad but you can't read the whole ad - it's just the cache. The point is: first 2 months free rent is offered. I'm guessing it's not a related ad, I am just posting it to show that we could spend all day trying to deduce the rent arrangement from the $700 in msm and still be wrong.

Whoever sublet this place would've had sublet tenants in for two months without a single penny in rent, presumably.

So, same building, similar time of year, this was the option being offered. Who's to say that LS didn't have to do something similar? I can't link it because it's cached so hopefully it's ok to post?

2 bedroom apartment for rent in Cowie Hill, Halifax for $700 per month! Heat, hot water and parking included! Spacious rooms, beautiful view, laminate flooring, located on the 6th floor. Coin laundry on every floor. Great opportunity for a great price! We have to move to another province, so we are looking for a sublet to start the new lease in January. Pets : Cats are allowed (dogs are not allowed) Since we are moving urgently we will pay the rent for the first two months -January and

Loretta had a roommate arrangement, not a sublet.

 

[musicaljoke]

What does it mean to be "tabled"? Does that mean that it's put forth for further discussion?

In Canada, it means to be set aside for discussion at a later time or at a later date. It can also mean the opposite, that it's put forth for further discussion, if the board is using the British, Westminister Rules.

It's always very confusing when British and American boards meet, because it has opposite meanings according to their Rules of Order.

 

[otto]

In Canada, it means to be set aside for discussion at a later time or at a later date. It can also mean the opposite, that it's put forth for further discussion, if the board is using the British, Westminister Rules.

It's always very confusing when British and American boards meet, because it has opposite meanings according to their Rules of Order.

After a brief google search, it looks to me like the "documents are tabled" means that they will now be put on a list and addressed in order of when they were tabled. My understanding is that they have moved forward in the process.

 

[otto]

Today is International Women's Day

http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/in-focus/international-womens-day

"In 1977, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution calling on member states to proclaim a day for women's rights and international peace. Following the United Nations' lead, Canada chose March 8 as International Women's Day (IWD).

Each year at this time, Canadians celebrate progress toward equality for women and their full participation, reflect on the challenges and barriers that remain, and consider future steps to achieving equality for all women, in all aspects of their lives."

http://www.canadianwomen.org/node/1939

 

[mye400can]

He asked that 30-40 documents related to missing aboriginal women be "tabled". Wouldn't that mean that he is asking that those documents are moved forward in the process? Isn't that a good thing? If being "tabled" means that the process goes forward, why is there criticism of the person that proposed that the documents be "tabled"?

He has no choice but to do it. As it was brought by the ndp. Anything that is brought by will be tabled but that does not mean it will pass first reading or even be read.

 

[elepher50]

Yes. So anyone including you can ask for something to be tabled. Just wanted to say that you could have something tabled so you know that it was not mackay that actually did the documents. In this case it was the ndp who asked for the inquiry that was submitted to the ndp.

Don't really know how to explain it really.

The bottom line is he has no respect and should be fired.

Looks like MacKay has had 2nd thoughts:

MacKay apologizes for 'impertinence'

Justice Minister Peter MacKay tabled dozens of documents Friday and apologized for throwing papers on the House floor during an earlier attempt to table them Thursday.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2440788372/

 

[mye400can]

Looks like MacKay has had 2nd thoughts:



http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2440788372/

I don't truly believe this joker. He lies left to right. Search for mackay spends day with military (you will see his lies)

Edit:: can't find the video but its where he spends the day training with the armed forces. It was a small lie but was still a lie.

 

[mye400can]

Don't know when it started as don't got cable and using data for net but says its live

Report on missing and murdered women LIVE NDP MP Jean Crowder comments - http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2381485530/

 

[otto]

Don't know when it started as don't got cable and using data for net but says its live

Report on missing and murdered women LIVE NDP MP Jean Crowder comments - http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2381485530/

Does anyone believe that Loretta's murder was directly related to the fact that she was aboriginal? If so, what is the connection?

 

[elepher50]

Does anyone believe that Loretta's murder was directly related to the fact that she was aboriginal? If so, what is the connection?

No, I do not believe that Loretta's murder was directly related to the fact that she was aboriginal. I do believe that a lot of groups are using Loretta's murder as a stepping stone to progress their agendas.

Loretta's murder was a crime of opportunity/jealousy/greed and had nothing to do with ancestry.

 

[mye400can]

Does anyone believe that Loretta's murder was directly related to the fact that she was aboriginal? If so, what is the connection?

I don't but then again its a bit all to confusing.

 

[kdgdid]

No, I do not believe that Loretta's murder was directly related to the fact that she was aboriginal. I do believe that a lot of groups are using Loretta's murder as a stepping stone to progress their agendas.

Loretta's murder was a crime of opportunity/jealousy/greed and had nothing to do with ancestry.

I agree I believed she was killed do to a false sense of entitlement, jealousy and greed

 

[Megarita]

Does anyone believe that Loretta's murder was directly related to the fact that she was aboriginal? If so, what is the connection?

Hi guys, I'm new to the forum, but I am strongly of the opinion that it's overly simplistic to say that her murder has nothing to do with her aboriginal heritage. Note that I'm not saying she was murdered because she's aboriginal - but I do think it's a factor. Much like how living in a certain area might mean higher risk of cancer, but if you then get cancer no one is going to say, "this cancer was caused by living in this region." But not being the cause doesn't mean it's not a factor.

I think why Loretta's aboriginal ancestry is a factor is because murderers often, consciously or unconsciously, pick their victims based on the reactions they want from society and there are assumptions about whether society will react by valuing that person. A serial killer interested in notoriety might pick blonde housewives because it will make the biggest media sensation. A man interested in a rape victim that he can dispose of might choose aboriginal women because their disappearance isn't likely to be reported and investigated swiftly, if at all.

In the same way that when someone irritates you, you make split second decisions and decide whether to fire back at them differently based on whether they're a McDonald's cashier or your boss - I think predators make decisions about who are ideal victims based on social power and perceived importance. VH and BL probably didn't say to themselves "let's kill an Indian" but they probably looked at her with her small-town, possibly reservation background, family living far away and who mostly look aboriginal and they likely thought, "who's going to miss her and report her? And if they do, who would listen? She doesn't matter."

 

[Truth Prevails]

Women of all nationalities can be a missing/murdered women statistic. The victims are all proud of their ancestry. Loretta's murder does not fall into the category of a woman that was murdered because she was aboriginal. Take Back the Night is an annual event to highlight violence against women. Loretta's murder does not fall into the category of violence against women either. She was not a victim solely because she is female. Loretta is a victim of a random murder that appears to be connected with theft. That is something that happens to all types of people, regardless of gender, age, or place of birth.

I disagree. Women of all walks of life are stalked and murdered by evil men, [not all men, of course,] because they can overpower most of us rather easily.

Read statistics about the size of women chosen by serial killers--about 5'2" and around 100 lbs to 120 lbs are what they look for. Why? Because women of that size can be easily over powered.

A murder is a crime of violence. Loretta was an Aborignal woman murdered by in a violent manner.

Loretta's murder can and does fit both categories--violence against women; and violence against Aboriginal women.

 

[elepher50]

In the same way that when someone irritates you, you make split second decisions and decide whether to fire back at them differently based on whether they're a McDonald's cashier or your boss - I think predators make decisions about who are ideal victims based on social power and perceived importance. VH and BL probably didn't say to themselves "let's kill an Indian" but they probably looked at her with her small-town, possibly reservation background, family living far away and who mostly look aboriginal and they likely thought, "who's going to miss her and report her? And if they do, who would listen? She doesn't matter."

RSBM: Respectfully snipped by me for space considerations

Welcome to WS....:welcome5:

Thank you for joining in the discussion.

My opinion is different (which is what makes this forum interesting).

I am of the opinion that the two grifters who were arrested and had Loretta's car, bank card and cell phone didn't put that much thought into who they were killing. That is really giving them way too much credit in my opinion.

 

[Truth Prevails]

How is questioning the relationship between three roommates "denigrating" a victim?

Loretta went home to her apartment on the day that she was murdered. We have only the comment from the man that she sometimes stayed with in Halifax (foreign student from Turkey) claiming that she was going to collect $700 in "rent" from her roommates that day. This is the same man that did not see any reason to report her missing even though he had not seen her for four days. That would suggest to me that he did not find it unusual that she did not report to him on a regular basis.

That would suggest to me that Yalcin, Loretta's boyfriend and the father of her unborn child, was a devoted, hard working student giving his own all to completing his education.

He most likely does not have time to be clued into crime and did not realize the implications. Not everyone feels the need to run to law enforcement as quickly as most of us would.

With the hindsight he now has he will most likely regret his lack of prompt action every day for the rest of his life, because he lost not only Loretta but his own unborn child.

Thus he is a victim, and as we have been advised by the moderators--Yalcin is pretty much off the table for discussing.

I hope someday he comes to accept that Loretta was most likely deceased by the time he received the text from one of her accused murderers.

There was nothing he could have done to prevent the outcome.

Regarding the BBM - Scroll back through your comments to review where you have repeatedly said that Loretta handed over her keys to strangers and questioned her actions in this regard.

According to all main stream media arcticles, Loretta didn't had over her keys to anyone. Her accused murderers owed her rent--whether because she was subletting to them or whether because she had rented a bedroom in her apartment to them--we do not know for a certainty what the exact arrangement was.

But we know they owed her rent money, and they [allegedly] murdered her when she firmly tried to collect what was owed to her.

 

[Truth Prevails]

The foreign student from Turkey, whom the family does not acknowledge as a boyfriend, said that Loretta may have sought roommates through an online advertisement. Loretta's brother said that her "boyfriend" may have referred Victoria and Blake.

There's no reason to ignore Loretta's brother's statement.

There is also no reason to assume it has any more credibility than Yalcin's; or to try to imply who the brother meant by the word boyfriend.

The family certainly respectfully acknowledged Yalcin during the search for Loretta, and in the early days of the discovery of the remains of Loretta and her unborn child.

It seems the Facbook speculation started once the brother came on the scene.

 

[Truth Prevails]

A search of kijiji for december for cowie hill apartment sublets brings up this ad but you can't read the whole ad - it's just the cache. The point is: first 2 months free rent is offered. I'm guessing it's not a related ad, I am just posting it to show that we could spend all day trying to deduce the rent arrangement from the $700 in msm and still be wrong.

Whoever sublet this place would've had sublet tenants in for two months without a single penny in rent, presumably.

So, same building, similar time of year, this was the option being offered. Who's to say that LS didn't have to do something similar? I can't link it because it's cached so hopefully it's ok to post?

2 bedroom apartment for rent in Cowie Hill, Halifax for $700 per month! Heat, hot water and parking included! Spacious rooms, beautiful view, laminate flooring, located on the 6th floor. Coin laundry on every floor. Great opportunity for a great price! We have to move to another province, so we are looking for a sublet to start the new lease in January. Pets : Cats are allowed (dogs are not allowed) Since we are moving urgently we will pay the rent for the first two months -January and

Thanks very much for mentioning this.