CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #2

[Kittybunny]

This is a whole crazy situation! I haven't weighed in on much but there does seem like a strong likelihood that these cases are connected. I agree that finding the identity of the dead grey-bearded man will be crucial to link the two cases IF they are connected, because then they could see if the truck described in the eyewitness account of the other dark-bearded man talking to Lucas and Chynna belongs to the deceased man, and if it was stolen by the potential killer. Ack, so convoluted!

Also, not sure whether I think the two younger missing men are victims, perpetrators, accomplices, or unrelated. I'm leaning towards victims at the moment, but of course it's all fluid.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

He is probably eating breakfast in Vancouver or Calgary by now.....moo

I agree. Unless it is someone with a lot of supplies / are experienced outdoors, they wouldn't continue cruising the highways or out in the forest for too long. There haven't been any newly reported events in recent days that could be described as clearly to be a likely connection. Wherever they are, they would be laying low with all the heat on the cases currently. As others have suggested, probably blending into the crowd, and sleeping in whatever vehicle they currently have, staying in a derelict building, or perhaps an associate in one of the towns / cities is harbouring them.

It's easy to focus too much on one particular scenario / narrative. I'm personally gravitating away from a delusional individual scenario & more towards someone who knows what they are doing - Be it in a very haphazard, disorganised, terribly consequential manner. That said, for all we know still, so many scenarios could still be possible!

MOO

 

[Kaie]

yeah this is the theory i proposed in thread #1, seems you have reached a similar conclusion
we don't know for sure but it sounds good in theory, could not be right though

Once you think of this though, it's hard to get out of your head right? Makes way too much sense. Sure would be a needle in a haystack situation to find those boys.

 

[Inthedetails]

Once you think of this though, it's hard to get out of your head right? Makes way too much sense. Sure would be a needle in a haystack situation to find those boys.

If the young men are victims of the same perp, it seems like he leaves his victims along roads where they can be found??

jmo

 

[zecats]

Sorry to jump in w/o full info but I have to ask — is there a known connection between the murdered van couple and either of the other 2 incidents? Or just a suspected connection because they’re all in the same area? If the latter, how big is that area?

It seems like LE has way more info on this than is being reported - EG a small wound possibly from a gun vs. closed casket required ..... this odd discrepancy implies IMO lots of info being withheld. And lots of withheld info IMO implies very good chance of an arrest very soon ..... fingers crossed.

Here is a map to show the travel (roads) distance between the areas. The couple was found 20 km south of Liard Hot Springs and the teens are missing from Dease Lake area.
Google Maps

I believe mostly speculation that these are connected as no evidence has been presented. But LE even has begun to speculate same.

 

[Kaie]

If the young men are victims of the same perp, it seems like he leaves his victims along roads where they can be found??

jmo

There's a whole lot of road to cover though, that's the thing. And the first victims being left alongside the road doesn't really establish a pattern imo.

 

[Herat]

They left the ranch in Hudson's Hope BC on Saturday, July 13 and are seen getting gas in Fort Nelson, finishing at 7:47 pm. It's about a 5 hour drive from HH to FN, so that's reasonable. This would be their FIRST night on the road. I'll bet they traveled a wee bit beyond and free camped off the road somewhere. Not in a lodge, not in a campground. They don't have that much money and this is the beginning of their adventure. I'm sure LE is exploring all the CCTV footage to figure out where they must have camped July 13.

So then they are traveling on towards Liard Hot Springs. The info we have is that they are first contacted by the mechanic about 4:30 pm. But it's only a 4 hour drive between FN and Liard Hot Springs, so they did not drive very far, frankly. And they would still have a reasonable amount of gas, assuming there was no gas leak.

There must have been other traffic that saw them there earlier. How much earlier? They could easily have reached that spot about noon from FN area.

Then what was wrong with the vehicle? I've been in a situation where my older car vapor-locked in the 110 heat of driving through Redding in the summer. It fixes itself in while when the car cools down, but you have to wait a bit. It sounds like that isn't the problem as it was not that hot in there and the van wasn't in a stop and go traffic situation.

They were murdered on their second night on this trip. That's just crushing to me.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

Killing of couple in Canada may be linked to missing teens and another death, police say

In the video report in the link above, it's stated that Lucas and Chynna stopped at Liard Hot Springs as opposed to south of it. I believe that it's already established that they were headed that way, but didn't make it any further than where they were found, about 20km South.

 

[Inthedetails]

dbm

 

[zecats]

Thanks, this is helpful. It seems you really have to plan well when traveling up there. Know how much gas you'll need and when to stop, have enough food and water, etc. There are many miles between stops, it certainly explains why Google maps shows so many people traveling in campers and RV's. It's not like in the Lower 48 where there are multiple gas stations, hotels and restaurants at every highway exit.

I'm guessing the killer is from the area or at least knows it pretty well. There are a lot of places for him to hide, but not necessarily a lot for him to get fuel and food. With the composite sketch out now, he will be recognized in most places he stops. If he's driving the same vehicle seen at the murder scene where he killed Lucas & Chynna, it will be easily recognizable.

So has he headed to a more remote area, like the Yukon or to a more populated area where he can get lost in the crowd? If he heads to AK, do all the roads have inspection stations at the border?

If cases are related (I say yes IMO), I'd think something like this. Someone, let's say bearded man (BM), kills Chynna and Lucas and turns around to head back north, toward the Yukon. Somewhere BM comes across Kam and Bryer, maybe disposes of them and steals their camper/truck. With this theory, his original vehicle, the older model Jeep, has to be abandoned somewhere and their bodies could be in Yukon.. It also explains why Kam and Bryer, who were headed to the Yukon to find jobs, turned around and came back into BC. At least their vehicle did. Maybe BM ran out of gas or found another victim and vehicle near Dease Lake rest area and abandoned and burned (to erase evidence) the camper truck, killed the mystery male and took his vehicle. All MOO, and sounds like a plot in a mystery novel. But I believe it fits in many ways.

 

[MntnHiker]

I have tried to read every post, but sorry if I have missed this being answered.

I've read that one woman drove by them in the afternoon of July 14 and didn't feel comfortable stopping but did call the police. Do we know what happened from that call? Did police come out and chat with them?

 

[Inthedetails]

If cases are related (I say yes IMO), I'd think something like this. Someone, let's say bearded man (BM), kills Chynna and Lucas and turns around to head back north, toward the Yukon. Somewhere BM comes across Kam and Bryer, maybe disposes of them and steals their camper/truck. With this theory, his original vehicle, the older model Jeep, has to be abandoned somewhere and their bodies could be in Yukon.. It also explains why Kam and Bryer, who were headed to the Yukon to find jobs, turned around and came back into BC. At least their vehicle did. Maybe BM ran out of gas or found another victim and vehicle near Dease Lake rest area and abandoned and burned (to erase evidence) the camper truck, killed the mystery male and took his vehicle. All MOO, and sounds like a plot in a mystery novel. But I believe it fits in many ways.

This is what I'm thinking too.

jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

The vehicle connected to the person the RCMP are seeking appears fairly distinctive. IIRC, oddly earlier media reports described it as a “grey car”.

BBM

“Mounties have released a sketch of a man they call a person of interest in their investigation into the murders of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese on the Alaska Highway last week.

Police released the sketch Monday afternoon, and say he was seen speaking with Fowler on the evening of Sunday, July 14. They are asking for the public's help to identify and locate him.
This man may not be aware that investigators are interested in speaking to him," Sgt. Janelle Shoihet said.

The man may be associated with an older model Jeep Cherokee with a black stripe on its hood similar to a racing stripe, and a black light/bull bar with small, covered lights, police said. It’s believed he was travelling southbound.

The man is described as Caucasian, with darker skin and dark hair. He has a possible beard, or glasses, and stood slightly smaller than Fowler, who was six-foot-three, according to police....”

Man sought in Alaska Highway murder investigation

 

[Herat]

RSBM
This explains how he could know she had been beautiful even though a closed casket would be required. He actually saw her prior to the attack.

And if Trevor Pierre could determine she was beautiful in just a drive-past, so could any other man looking for trouble.

LE is undoubtedly reviewing all camera footage from Sunday between Liard HS and FN, and likely checking out everyone that stopped at Liard HS.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

If cases are related (I say yes IMO), I'd think something like this. Someone, let's say bearded man (BM), kills Chynna and Lucas and turns around to head back north, toward the Yukon. Somewhere BM comes across Kam and Bryer, maybe disposes of them and steals their camper/truck. With this theory, his original vehicle, the older model Jeep, has to be abandoned somewhere and their bodies could be in Yukon.. It also explains why Kam and Bryer, who were headed to the Yukon to find jobs, turned around and came back into BC. At least their vehicle did. Maybe BM ran out of gas or found another victim and vehicle near Dease Lake rest area and abandoned and burned (to erase evidence) the camper truck, killed the mystery male and took his vehicle. All MOO, and sounds like a plot in a mystery novel. But I believe it fits in many ways.

This is essentially along the lines of the scenario I've envisioned also. The mystery male found deceased could have been an innocent traveler who had stopped for a break, whilst the offender took mystery man's life then took his vehicle.

It's bloody strange that Mystery deceased man has not been identified yet. I do recall reading a comment here on WS that this man fits the description of a man who has not been seen since May.

 

[Herat]

The vehicle connected to the person the RCMP are seeking appears fairly distinctive. IIRC, oddly earlier media reports described it as a “grey car”.

There are some CCTV cameras along that route and the traffic is not heavy, so there is probably camera capture of the image of the vehicle and the black stripe and roof lights would show up fairly well on a CCTV.

 

[zecats]

Yes.

In trying to sleuth this all out and deal impassively with the crime details, it's all to easy to miss that these were two very young people. Full of the optimism and innocent security that traveling in the world can give you

I didnt realize this was likely their second or third night on the trip and the sweet embrace captured on the gas station CCTV makes this all the more heartbreaking .

I think the person that did this was remorseless and cold. A real hard case. Maybe a known felon.

Probably only had 1 night together on the road...except for the time they spend at the ranch before setting off. (6 days I read where was stated as she came up from NC to visit him). They left the ranch Saturday, according to ranch owner, were seen at the gas station Saturday evening and were killed Sunday night into Monday morning.

It's almost too much to think about. What in the world could have happened? I never can understand murder, but these kids were hurting no one, bothering no one. Remorseless, cold killer is the truth. Just so damn senseless!

 

[Blue Amethyst]

If cases are related (I say yes IMO), I'd think something like this. Someone, let's say bearded man (BM), kills Chynna and Lucas and turns around to head back north, toward the Yukon. Somewhere BM comes across Kam and Bryer, maybe disposes of them and steals their camper/truck. With this theory, his original vehicle, the older model Jeep, has to be abandoned somewhere and their bodies could be in Yukon.. It also explains why Kam and Bryer, who were headed to the Yukon to find jobs, turned around and came back into BC. At least their vehicle did. Maybe BM ran out of gas or found another victim and vehicle near Dease Lake rest area and abandoned and burned (to erase evidence) the camper truck, killed the mystery male and took his vehicle. All MOO, and sounds like a plot in a mystery novel. But I believe it fits in many ways.

This makes sense to me if they are all connected.

 

[Herat]

Killing of couple in Canada may be linked to missing teens and another death, police say

In the video report in the link above, it's stated that Lucas and Chynna stopped at Liard Hot Springs as opposed to south of it. I believe that it's already established that they were headed that way, but didn't make it any further than where they were found, about 20km South.

The text of the article doesn't state that they were sighted AT Liard Hot Springs.

In fact, no other reports state they were there. Including LE. That would be a really critical piece of information, if verified.

If they were there, they would have had to turn around and drive south, and then turn around again and drive back up north, as their van was found off the side of the northbound lane, facing north.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

Probably only had 1 night together on the road...except for the time they spend at the ranch before setting off. (6 days I read where was stated as she came up from NC to visit him). They left the ranch Saturday, according to ranch owner, were seen at the gas station Saturday evening and were killed Sunday night into Monday morning.

It's almost too much to think about. What in the world could have happened? I never can understand murder, but these kids were hurting no one, bothering no one. Remorseless, cold killer is the truth. Just so damn senseless!

It's truly chilling to imagine what Lucas and Chynna must have had going through their minds when they realised that they were in big trouble. Even as the encounter was beginning, they may have felt like a long day was about to get longer, and still not truly aware of the danger the person presented until it was too late to escape.