CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & g/f Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019

[Betty P]

Here are links to webcams that are along the northern part of B.C. Highway 97, including the Liard Hwy Junction, Hwy 97 - Hwy 77 junction. There's a handy little map to show you exactly where the cam is. I think that they give an idea of how little traffic goes along this highway.

It's about 4:00p.m., Sunday afternoon, and pretty much all the roads are empty.

It also suggests that there might be a paved shoulder on the roadsides, with, or without painted road markings. So it's not clear to me that they were actually parked partly on the road. They may have been on the paved shoulder.

You can also replay the last 24 hrs and see when darkness falls and the new day begins.

B.C.Highway Cams

Thanks for that link. I see what you're referring to: the shoulder of the road is paved, with gravel alongside. Lucas had parked on the shoulder, the van wasn't partially in the roadway. If he had been on the roadway, the white shoulder line would be visible under the car.

If the black bearded man was angry at them, it must have been about something else. Maybe mentally ill or high? Poor kids, they must have been terrified and were probably hoping another car would come along.

 

[Satchie]

Fowler was a little ways from the van and Deese was 17 feet farther away from Fowler. The man who found them said that they were in identical positions - he found that unusual.

Possibly the killer 'positioned' the bodies after they had fallen. That's what some psychopathic killers do.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Here are links to webcams that are along the northern part of B.C. Highway 97, including the Liard Hwy Junction, Hwy 97 - Hwy 77 junction. There's a handy little map to show you exactly where the cam is. I think that they give an idea of how little traffic goes along this highway.

It's about 4:00p.m., Sunday afternoon, and pretty much all the roads are empty.

It also suggests that there might be a paved shoulder on the roadsides, with, or without painted road markings. So it's not clear to me that they were actually parked partly on the road. They may have been on the paved shoulder.

You can also replay the last 24 hrs and see when darkness falls and the new day begins.

B.C.Highway Cams

If you look at the pic I posted of the van on the side of the road .... it doesn’t appear paved but gravel.

 

[PingTheRouter]

Possibly the killer 'positioned' the bodies after they had fallen. That's what some psychopathic killers do.

so roughly 5.8 meters for the real of the world, if you tried to carry a deadlift women about 140lb's - 160lb's that is probably about as far as you'd get without having a heart attack if this was one person

if you have a wife or girlfriend or a teenage daughter ask them to lay flat on the floor and try pick them up and carry them across the room its not easy

 

[rb63]

Here are links to webcams that are along the northern part of B.C. Highway 97, including the Liard Hwy Junction, Hwy 97 - Hwy 77 junction. There's a handy little map to show you exactly where the cam is. I think that they give an idea of how little traffic goes along this highway.

It's about 4:00p.m., Sunday afternoon, and pretty much all the roads are empty.

It also suggests that there might be a paved shoulder on the roadsides, with, or without painted road markings. So it's not clear to me that they were actually parked partly on the road. They may have been on the paved shoulder.

You can also replay the last 24 hrs and see when darkness falls and the new day begins.

B.C.Highway Cams

The webcam is actually good as it does show exactly dusk to dawn.. Doesn't get dark until 12am and light again at 3am..

 

[Betty P]

"Gordon" on the video said that there's an active drug trade. Who is Gordon?

Video caption says he's an SFU Criminologist. Perhaps at Simon Fraser University

SFU.ca - Simon Fraser University

 

[Betty P]

so roughly 5.8 meters for the real of the world, if you tried to carry a deadlift women about 140lb's - 160lb's that is probably about as far as you'd get without having a heart attack if this was one person

if you have a wife or girlfriend or a teenage daughter ask them to lay flat on the floor and try pick them up and carry them across the room its not easy

It's possible he dragged their bodies. Pick them up by shoulders or ankles and drag them along. Has happened in many murder scenarios. Neither of the two were heavy.

 

[SteveP]

Thanks for that link. I see what you're referring to: the shoulder of the road is paved, with gravel alongside. Lucas had parked on the shoulder, the van wasn't partially in the roadway. If he had been on the roadway, the white shoulder line would be visible under the car.

If the black bearded man was angry at them, it must have been about something else. Maybe mentally ill or high? Poor kids, they must have been terrified and were probably hoping another car would come along.

BBM...To be clear, I do not think you are saying that the man is black, but that his beard is black, but the wording is a bit confusing. I have read nothing to indicate that the man is black, and think the beard was not described at all, beyond that the man had one. Just wanted to clarify that for any who may not be following as closely as some.

 

[Satchie]

Here are links to webcams that are along the northern part of B.C. Highway 97, including the Liard Hwy Junction, Hwy 97 - Hwy 77 junction. There's a handy little map to show you exactly where the cam is. I think that they give an idea of how little traffic goes along this highway.

It's about 4:00p.m., Sunday afternoon, and pretty much all the roads are empty.

It also suggests that there might be a paved shoulder on the roadsides, with, or without painted road markings. So it's not clear to me that they were actually parked partly on the road. They may have been on the paved shoulder.

You can also replay the last 24 hrs and see when darkness falls and the new day begins.

B.C.Highway Cams

Thanks for the link to the webcam, good thinking.

With regards to shoulders, that's an intersection where cars turn off and merge in, so the highway dept has constructed it to high standards for safety. I don't think that's true of the rest of the highway: leastways it wasn't when google streetview did their drive.

A view of the estimated location of the crime on streetview is posted here: CANADA: Australian Lucas Fowler and American girfriend Chynna Deese shot - suspicious circumstances

 

[Satchie]

so roughly 5.8 meters for the real of the world, if you tried to carry a deadlift women about 140lb's - 160lb's that is probably about as far as you'd get without having a heart attack if this was one person

if you have a wife or girlfriend or a teenage daughter ask them to lay flat on the floor and try pick them up and carry them across the room its not easy

I wrote 'positioned', not 'transported'. The first responder said the bodies were in the same position, to me that means both on their backs, or side, or on knees, etc, which, as he said was 'unusual'. To me, that means the killer likely touched them to move their limbs, or turn them over, etc.

 

[Seattle1]

Shout out to @9NewsSyd and US correspondent for the informative news clips and reporting

(Been following other BC cases and news/details are very scarce).

MOO

 

[PixieStix]

Wow, this case is compelling! It seems to be moving along relatively fast too.

I am surprised it took the RCMP 3 days to ID the bodies though. We know their ID's were missing, but they did find CD's passport. What about their phones? Those could have fairly quickly identified them, and we know at the very least CD had one because her brother stated he became worried when she stopped responding to his text messages. So, perhaps the killer took the phone (s)? The fact that it took so long leads me to think the phones were missing also.

Someone a few pages back I think @afitzy posted about cell phone coverage in that part of Canada is somewhat nonexistent in places, but if the killer took the phones, I wonder if the RCMP could get any ping at all from them.

Thanks to everyone on the thread for posting all the media reports for those of us coming into this late!

 

[Snoop Sister]

Here are links to webcams that are along the northern part of B.C. Highway 97, including the Liard Hwy Junction, Hwy 97 - Hwy 77 junction. There's a handy little map to show you exactly where the cam is. I think that they give an idea of how little traffic goes along this highway.

It's about 4:00p.m., Sunday afternoon, and pretty much all the roads are empty.

It also suggests that there might be a paved shoulder on the roadsides, with, or without painted road markings. So it's not clear to me that they were actually parked partly on the road. They may have been on the paved shoulder.

You can also replay the last 24 hrs and see when darkness falls and the new day begins.

B.C.Highway Cams

I looked at the web cams earlier today and I could not find the area the van was at, the closest was the turn off to Liard.

 

[PingTheRouter]

I wrote 'positioned', not 'transported'. The first responder said the bodies were in the same position, to me that means both on their backs, or side, or on knees, etc, which, as he said was 'unusual'. To me, that means the killer likely touched them to move their limbs, or turn them over, etc.

different interpretation i guess, i thought that to mean they had been moved into a certain postion but ok

 

[Snoop Sister]

Thanks for that link. I see what you're referring to: the shoulder of the road is paved, with gravel alongside. Lucas had parked on the shoulder, the van wasn't partially in the roadway. If he had been on the roadway, the white shoulder line would be visible under the car.

If the black bearded man was angry at them, it must have been about something else. Maybe mentally ill or high? Poor kids, they must have been terrified and were probably hoping another car would come along.

what black bearded man? Link please

 

[otto]

Thanks for that link. I see what you're referring to: the shoulder of the road is paved, with gravel alongside. Lucas had parked on the shoulder, the van wasn't partially in the roadway. If he had been on the roadway, the white shoulder line would be visible under the car.

If the black bearded man was angry at them, it must have been about something else. Maybe mentally ill or high? Poor kids, they must have been terrified and were probably hoping another car would come along.

Looking at the highway and location 20km (12M) South of Liard Hot Springs ... no white lines:

The arrow indicates 12 miles S of Liard

This is street view of that location

Here's the van a little bit S of the street view above

 

[zecats]

I wrote 'positioned', not 'transported'. The first responder said the bodies were in the same position, to me that means both on their backs, or side, or on knees, etc, which, as he said was 'unusual'. To me, that means the killer likely touched them to move their limbs, or turn them over, etc.

I'm thinking the way you are. It was remarked about the way the bodies were laying. They could have fallen and he staged arm/leg positions in a similar fashion to each other. At least that's the way I interpreted what was said. If so, what could that mean? Leaving his signature is what I think of first off. JMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

Clearly gravel. And the roadway is fairly narrow in this location if I remember correctly.

 

[Satchie]

The above report indicate that there is an active drug pipeline on the highway and speculated that perhaps the murdered couple saw something that they should not have seen.

I'm not impressed with that theory, every major highway in North America is a drug pipeline, minions are paid to courier it between big cities. They don't stop on the highway to do their deals, right where they can attract the attention of a bored cop. They don't kill random tourists, it interferes with their profitable business.

 

[PingTheRouter]

I'm thinking the way you are. It was remarked about the way the bodies were laying. They could have fallen and he staged arm/leg positions in a similar fashion to each other.

i was thinking maybe the killer was trying to search pockets for wallets or phones or id valuables that type of thing on both persons hence maybe why they were both in the same position ?