CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & g/f Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019

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  • #261
They were found 12 miles from Liard Hot Springs.

Police received a call at 7:19AM on Monday and went to the scene.

Police have said that there is no serial killer and there is no connection between these murders and any other ongoing investigation. No women have vanished on the highway where they were found.

ref: police press release posted earlier today
I'm thinking it may have been possibly a late night/early morning crime. Perhaps, since their van was cooling down or repairing itself (not sure about this if they had called for assistance or if it had just overheated*), they decided to sleep there for the night. Less traffic then and not as easy to witness.

*Conflicting info on status of van and status of how it was going to be repaired.
 
  • #262
no more serial killers i think we are done with that, geez the media won't let it go, although if you kill two people are you indeed a serial killer or just a double homicide?
last night we looked up the distances between events its around 40km's which is you know not crazy far but its still enough to put resonable doubt its related
i guess we just don't know right now until more information comes to light
if it is that is wild, he killed two people got away realised how big a man hunt is going on and offed himself? i mean its a stretch but possible?
someone else brought up a jealous ex of the lady, this would have been a very first line of inquiry probably ruled out by now from location

i have had my sights set on a night killing it seems the most logical to me
 
  • #263
Not sure if you mean where Lucas and Chynna were found? Or where Luke disappeared. Luke Neville went missing from Spences Bridge BC, closer to Merritt and our other mysteries involving Ben Tyner and Dean Morrison.
Nobody lives in the area where this couple were killed, except staff of a few tourist accommodations. There's no private property at all between Fort Nelson, 4 hrs south, and the Yukon border 2 hours north.

Here's a detailed description of the drive, with all the places to get off the highway. Mostly parking areas.
Alaska Highway - mile by mile description from Fort Nelson
 
  • #264
Officials said that the couple is thought to have died between July 14 and July 15. The bodies were discovered on July 15 at 7:20 p.m. local time. The pair were found along the Alaska Highway, Highway 97, in the Canadian province of British Columbia. They were found less than 50 miles from the Liard River Hot Springs, a notable tourist attraction.

[...]

The Australian Daily Telegraph reports that there is a theory that Deese and Fowler were the victims of a serial killer. That theory is based in part on the number of women who have vanished along the stretch of highway where the pair were found dead. The road is close to the area known as the “Highway of Tears” whereas many of 50 women have vanished since 1970.

Most recently, Chantelle Simpson, 34, disappeared in the area with her car being found along the highway. Two weeks later, her body was found in the Skeena River. While in September 2018, Jessica Patrick, 18, was found dead in the area having last been seen in a McDonald’s along the highway.

The Telegraph reports adds that two detectives from the Australian State Crime Command’s Homicide Squad have traveled to Canada to aid in the investigation.

Deese’s brother, British, told the Charlotte Observer that the family does not believe the serial killer scenario saying, “I don’t think it’s a serial killer. I think of someone who has been convicted of violent crimes before, someone on drugs.

Chynna Deese: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

BBM...Is this misinformation, or did it really take 12 hours to find the bodies after LE responded to the call at about 7:15AM??
 
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BBM...Is this misinformation, or did it really take 12 hours to find the bodies after LE responded to the call at about 7:15AM??

I don't see any citation of 12 hours to find bodies.

Article linked does state bodies discovered 7:20pm which may be incorrect and perhaps should be 7:20AM.
 
  • #267
Police do not think the burned vehicle is connected to the double murder.

"A third body has been found on a Canadian highway but while authorities are "looking at all of the leads", they are not linking the death to the mysterious shooting murders of Australian tourist Lucas Fowler and his American girlfriend Chynna Deese."​

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/third-body-found-on-canadian-highway-c-357343
great ill amend my post from this, it didn't seem right, if you ever delved deeper into this stuff its really rare to have crime scenes stretch multi places like this for one event, bar the events like crossing state lines in the states with bodies i personally think that is a little different, surrounding suburbs or towns maybe not really 30 minutes to 40 minutes drive away, the only scenario that would have worked would have been the one i posted above
 
  • #268
BBM...Is this misinformation, or did it really take 12 hours to find the bodies after LE responded to the call at about 7:15AM??

Police received a call at 7:19AM on Monday July 15. They went directly to the scene and the victims were found near the van. Their belongings were with the van but identification was missing. Police did receive a call about the van on Sunday afternoon, July 14, but the victims were alive and well at the time. Police did not follow up.

It took 3 days to identify the bodies because they were unsure whether the victims were the registered owners of the van. They were driving a vehicle that was registered in a province where they had never lived or worked, so there is something irregular there. That should not happen.

Chynna's passport was found hidden in the van, and that probably led to their identification.
 
  • #269
no more serial killers i think we are done with that, geez the media won't let it go, although if you kill two people are you indeed a serial killer or just a double homicide?
last night we looked up the distances between events its around 40km's which is you know not crazy far but its still enough to put resonable doubt its related
i guess we just don't know right now until more information comes to light
if it is that is wild, he killed two people got away realised how big a man hunt is going on and offed himself? i mean its a stretch but possible?
someone else brought up a jealous ex of the lady, this would have been a very first line of inquiry probably ruled out by now from location

i have had my sights set on a night killing it seems the most logical to me

I think they would be foolish to camp on the side of a 2 lane highway. If the van was working, they should have moved to a safer spot. Therefore, I think something happened before they could repair the van.

Given how casual they were on Sunday, it seemed that they expected the van would cool down and they would be on their way. Police have said they think something happened in the evening.
 
  • #270
I'm curious if they were followed by someone from the ranch.
 
  • #271
Hi WS Friends. This case baffles me.

Traffic? On that road?
 
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I think they would be foolish to camp on the side of a 2 lane highway. If the van was working, they should have moved to a safer spot. Therefore, I think something happened before they could repair the van.

Given how casual they were on Sunday, it seemed that they expected the van would cool down and they would be on their way. Police have said they think something happened in the evening.
Yet, if it didn't cool down and still wasn't able to be driven, they would have had no choice other than to sleep where it was and try to get help the next day. Time frame is from evening to next morning.
 
  • #274
I think they would be foolish to camp on the side of a 2 lane highway. If the van was working, they should have moved to a safer spot. Therefore, I think something happened before they could repair the van.

Given how casual they were on Sunday, it seemed that they expected the van would cool down and they would be on their way. Police have said they think something happened in the evening.

ok we are talking semantics here evening / night
maybe they had no choice i mean if the van still didn't work and it was getting late maybe they decided to wait the night out by sleeping in the van and try work on the issue with the van in the morning
that seems resonable to me, because if like others have stated he was at least somewhat knowledgeable with cars and mechanics the time frames we've been given so far for me at least don't work
it would take minutes to figure out what was going on and decide A - i can fix this with time or B - we are stuck i can't fix this without parts, diagnostics on old cars is pretty simple no computers to deal with
 
  • #275
Thinking some more about the van and the difficulty with identifying the victims. We know Lucas was living in BC working at a ranch and that he bought the van at the BC ranch. He owned the van and he registered and insured it in Alberta, so that means he used a false address.

When police tried to trace the vehicle owner, they would have run into problems.
 
  • #276
Here we go...van status info:
https://7news.com.au/news/crime/aus..._XznsKGcB2RyRFHbAhKboPdYRis0rOB2dNHCHOAOOPOr4

Mr Broughton, a mechanic, and his wife, Sandra, were driving home on Sunday about 3.20pm from a day visiting Liard Hot Springs, a remote area in northern British Columbia.

The Canadians saw Mr Fowler's blue 1986 Chevrolet van had broken down on the Alaska Highway, 20 kilometres south of the springs.

They stopped to offer help.

But after a quick chat with Mr Fowler he realised the young Australian had the problem under control.

"He seemed like he had everything diagnosed properly," Mr Broughton said.

"The vehicle was flooded out and they were going to try and get it going again until they could get the parts they needed."

The Broughtons got back in their car and drove home.
 
  • #277
Thinking some more about the van and the difficulty with identifying the victims. We know Lucas was living in BC working at a ranch and that he bought the van at the BC ranch. He owned the van and he registered and insured it in Alberta, so that means he used a false address.

When police tried to trace the vehicle owner, they would have run into problems.

Hnm can you even get insurance for something if you are not a resident? i don't know canadas laws regarding this but possibly why they used a false address not saying they did
 
  • #278
ok we are talking semantics here evening / night
maybe they had no choice i mean if the van still didn't work and it was getting late maybe they decided to wait the night out by sleeping in the van and try work on the issue with the van in the morning
that seems resonable to me, because if like others have stated he was at least somewhat knowledgeable with cars and mechanics the time frames we've been given so far for me at least don't work
it would take minutes to figure out what was going on and decide A - i can fix this with time or B - we are stuck i can't fix this without parts, diagnostics on old cars is pretty simple no computers to deal with

People stopped to help them, including a mechanic, but they didn't need help.

"Passing motorists saw them, including Canadian couple Curtis and Sandra Broughton who stopped to offer assistance about 3.20pm on Sunday.

Mr Broughton, a mechanic, said he spoke to Mr Fowler but the young Australian seemed to know how to fix the van.

"The vehicle was flooded out and they were going to try and get it going again until they could get the parts they needed," Mr Broughton told AAP.

The Broughtons got back in their car and drove home."​

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/third-body-found-on-canadian-highway-c-357343
 
  • #279
People stopped to help them, including a mechanic, but they didn't need help.

"Passing motorists saw them, including Canadian couple Curtis and Sandra Broughton who stopped to offer assistance about 3.20pm on Sunday.

Mr Broughton, a mechanic, said he spoke to Mr Fowler but the young Australian seemed to know how to fix the van.

"The vehicle was flooded out and they were going to try and get it going again until they could get the parts they needed," Mr Broughton told AAP.

The Broughtons got back in their car and drove home."​

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/third-body-found-on-canadian-highway-c-357343
you answered your own question really, if it didn't work they needed part to possible fix it, meaning they may have been stuck there overnight
but i will conceed i just looked up sunrise and sunset i forgot its summer over there so its like DST it sets late, the information i looked up said 9pm sunset
that is a long time from 3:20pm so ok i am stumped none of this makes a whole lot of sense really
 
  • #280
Hnm can you even get insurance for something if you are not a resident? i don't know canadas laws regarding this but possibly why they used a false address not saying they did
You need a Alberta address to get insurance for a vehicle in Alberta.
 
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