CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & g/f Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019

[PingTheRouter]

You need a Alberta address to get insurance for a vehicle in Alberta.

ok that might explain that then but if you claimed on the insurance wouldn't the insurance company find out, eventually?
i mean people do silly things all the time and hope to get away with it i guess

 

[Snoop Sister]

ok that might explain that then but if you claimed on the insurance wouldn't the insurance company find out, eventually?
i mean people do silly things all the time and hope to get away with it i guess

He may have had a friend covering for him in Alberta or conversely the vehicle may have been registered and insured under someone else. Additionally, one needs a valid Alberta drivers license as well to get registration etc.

 

[janewall]

Do you have any suggestions on how to mark up a photograph/screenshot? Glad to comply with your request but need some help.

@afitzy, otto already answered, but I'm going to add that I use either photoshop or whatever graphics package is on the device I'm using. (Currently that's Apple's Preview – basic, but it works.)

Every map I post is Up = North.

TY @otto ! Makes things easy.

It's a road.

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Between the map, this pic, and my own "touring" via Google Maps I figured out that yes, the van is pointing north, so unless someone turned it around after they pulled off the road they were heading toward Liard and away from the ranch near Hudson's hope.

Hi WS Friends. This case baffles me.

Traffic? On that road?

In summer, absolutely. Lots of tourists and holidaymakers, and a fair amount of truckers, in addition to the 'locals'. Remember there's ~18 hours of daylight that far north at this time of year.

All MOO.

 

[otto]

ok that might explain that then but if you claimed on the insurance wouldn't the insurance company find out, eventually?
i mean people do silly things all the time and hope to get away with it i guess

Of course. If they injured someone in a motor vehicle accident, and they obtained insurance fraudulently - such as claiming they lived in Alberta when that is not true - they would have some pretty big problems.

 

[otto]

He may have had a friend covering for him in Alberta or conversely the vehicle may have been registered and insured under someone else. Additionally, one needs a valid Alberta drivers license as well to get registration etc.

A couple of articles have said that he owned the vehicle, so insurance and registration should be in his name. He would need to live in Alberta to qualify for Alberta insurance and registration. He lived in BC and bought the van in BC. This is probably one reason why police needed 3 days to identify them - the registration address would have been useless.

 

[janewall]

Sunrise and sunset times in Liard River Hot Springs on July 14 2019 can be found on this chart. There was light until almost 10:30 pm and the sun rose just over 6 hours later on Monday the 15th.

ETA: URL is at top of graphic, so you can play around with the sun and moon charts as you wish.

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[PingTheRouter]

Sunrise and sunset times in Liard River Hot Springs on July 14 2019 can be found on this chart. There was light until almost 10:30 pm and the sun rose just over 6 hours later on Monday the 15th.

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thanks time zones screwing things up for anyone wondering once adjusted to our summer times in australia its basically the same 7am to 9:30ish during summer for daylight

 

[Satchie]

Maybe he couldn't get the van going without parts, so they decided to hitchhike to town and back the next day, as it would take many hours and it was too late to start out.

I think for long term travellers like that, money is very tight, so doing something dodgy to save on insurance wouldn't surprise me. Young people never imagine they might get in an accident.

I agree it wasn't a good place to park overnight, they were too close to the side of the road. Just a thought: a bad-tempered 'I own the road' driver might get mad about that.

 

[JudgeJudi]

After referring to the press conference you said:

This also confirms that the RCMP Major Crimes Unit is working with New South Wales officers and FBI on this investigation.

This is what the liaison officer said:

"We understand that Lucas’ family is travelling to Canada and that his father is an active member of the NSW Police Force. He is accompanied by a number of police officers from Australia. These investigators from Australia are here to support the Fowler family and will not form part of the BC RCMP investigative team here in Canada.

 

[PingTheRouter]

After referring to the press conference you said:



This is what the liaison officer said:

"We understand that Lucas’ family is travelling to Canada and that his father is an active member of the NSW Police Force. He is accompanied by a number of police officers from Australia. These investigators from Australia are here to support the Fowler family and will not form part of the BC RCMP investigative team here in Canada.

this is a show of force and support, its on canadian soil and all but the nsw police have a good relationship with the FBI if they need anything and a backdoor into the investigation just my opinion

this is slightly unrelated but i wanted to add, i travel the united states and canada every year for 3 months for work, all through the mid west into the plains down into texas, arizona, new mexico , my buddy who i travel with always keeps a fire arm in the glove box and so far in my ten years of doing it we've had to pull it out 3 times, i think the lesson is it can happen to anyone the world is a dangerous place

 

[Satchie]

These investigators from Australia are here to support the Fowler family and will not form part of the BC RCMP investigative team here in Canada.

RSBM

Especially since they've already leaked the cause of the deaths to the media, which RCMP has not revealed and would normally keep secret as they investigate.

 

[zecats]

this is a show of force and support, its on canadian soil and all but the nsw police have a good relationship with the FBI if they need anything and a backdoor into the investigation just my opinion

this is slightly unrelated but i wanted to add, i travel the united states and canada every year for 3 months for work, all through the mid west into the plains down into texas, arizona, new mexico , my buddy who i travel with always keeps a fire arm in the glove box and so far in my ten years of doing it we've had to pull it out 3 times, i think the lesson is it can happen to anyone the world is a dangerous place

I'm not a gun person, but I truly wish this young couple had been carrying one in their van. JMO

 

[JudgeJudi]

Is it your understanding that they were heading South when they were murdered?

"The couple seemed pleasant and happy during the ‘brief encounter’, and told Mrs Broughton they were heading north".

Australian man and girlfriend murdered in Canada travelled world together after meeting in Croatia | News You May Be Able To Use

 

[Satchie]

I'm not a gun person, but I truly wish this young couple had been carrying one in their van. JMO

I wish they'd bought a roadside assistance membership with a good towing allowance, it would have cost less than a couple of tanks of gas.

 

[zecats]

I wish they'd bought a roadside assistance membership with a good towing allowance, it would have cost less than a couple of tanks of gas.

That too.

 

[PingTheRouter]

I wish they'd bought a roadside assistance membership with a good towing allowance, it would have cost less than a couple of tanks of gas.

i think it would have been still too late, roadside assist takes an hour or two within a city or suburbs, can't imagine how long it would have taken somone to get out there, good possibility it would have been all over before someone got there
a firearm is not an answer to problems but it can help in some situations, for 30 years i was a strong anti gun advocate and in the last ten iv soften my stance on it, i mean no one should be walking around with high powered rifles but i don't see any issue with a glock in a lock box anyways i don't want to get into a debate and break any site rules

 

[zecats]

i think it would have been still too late, roadside assist takes an hour or two within a city or suburbs, can't imagine how long it would have taken somone to get out there, good possibility it would have been all over before someone got there
a firearm is not an answer to problems but it can help in some situations, for 30 years i was a strong anti gun advocate and in the last ten iv soften my stance on it, i mean no one should be walking around with high powered rifles but i don't see any issue with a glock in a lock box anyways i don't want to get into a debate and break any site rules

I hear you. Not a topic for here. My point was only that they might have had a way to protect themselves, or fight back. They were in a pretty darn helpless situation.

 

[JudgeJudi]

The heartbroken family of murdered Australian tourist Lucas Fowler, who was shot dead alongside his girlfriend in a remote part of Canada, has arrived in the country as local authorities vow to look at all leads to solve the murders.

Two NSW homicide detectives also travelled to Canada to help as liaisons.

The Fowler family is expected to meet Royal Canadian Mounted Police investigators in British Columbia for an update.

Adding to the mystery, the body of a man was found on Friday near a burning pickup truck south of the Stikine River Bridge on Highway 37 in northern British Columbia.

RCMP corporal Chris Manseau said, "Northern BC is a really big area and yet they don't have a lot of these events. Two of them have happened within a couple of days of each and people want to speculate.

The last I heard there was nothing to tie either of those two together although investigators are looking at all of the leads."

Grieving Fowler family arrives in Canada

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Otto - I think SillyBilly May have answered your question further back in the thread.

How did they have a vehicle registered and insured in a province where neither had an address? Either it was borrowed, or something slightly irregular happened - some loophole.

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Lots of people who live in BC go to Alberta to get car insurance because it is much cheaper than ICBC.

Sorry for quoting self, but wanted to clarify ... what I meant was that Alberta insurance would explain the Alberta plates on the vehicle.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Nobody lives in the area where this couple were killed, except staff of a few tourist accommodations. There's no private property at all between Fort Nelson, 4 hrs south, and the Yukon border 2 hours north.

Here's a detailed description of the drive, with all the places to get off the highway. Mostly parking areas.
Alaska Highway - mile by mile description from Fort Nelson

And this alone explains to me why one of the motorists called the police. I know some have questioned why, but if the area did not have homes and businesses within walking distance, I would have wanted to be sure someone checked on them. I called the non-emergency number myself this winter when I saw an occupied car stuck on the side of the road (he clearly wasn’t going to get his vehicle back on the road). It was not safe for me to stop, and hopefully the guy had a cell phone - but I knew if something happened to him I would regret not having the police check on him.