CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & g/f Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019

[otto]

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We know something happened, but nothing about the shooter. Maybe someone nearly lost control of their vehicle because the van was parked was on the highway. We know that the shooter is irrational, and little else. We know the shooter might be an opportunist who thought the van was abandoned. We know that whatever happened, it ended in worst case scenario.

 

[JudgeJudi]

As for this lunatic's mental condition ...

It takes 60 days to buy a gun in Canada, and there is mandatory licensing for gun owners. Gun owners pursuing a licence must have third-party references, take a safety training course and pass a background check with a focus on mental, criminal and addiction histories.

Buyers in private sales of weapons must pass official background checks.

Canadian civilians aren’t allowed to possess automatic weapons, handguns with a barrel shorter than 10.5 cm or any modified handgun, rifle or shotgun.

How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

I wonder if he used a rifle or shotgun because either would certainly cause a huge amount of damage.

 

[Betty P]

Alandra Hull appears to be the only witness to the argument, and she didn't mention seeing a weapon. I'm considering he may have returned later, after the argument, when there were few people on the road, but not necessarily when it got dark.

Or he had a weapon concealed in a pocket, etc.

 

[SteveP]

As for this lunatic's mental condition ...

It takes 60 days to buy a gun in Canada, and there is mandatory licensing for gun owners. Gun owners pursuing a licence must have third-party references, take a safety training course and pass a background check with a focus on mental, criminal and addiction histories.

Buyers in private sales of weapons must pass official background checks.

Canadian civilians aren’t allowed to possess automatic weapons, handguns with a barrel shorter than 10.5 cm or any modified handgun, rifle or shotgun.

How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

I wonder if he used a rifle or shotgun because either would certainly cause a huge amount of damage.

BBM ... All of this is assuming that the lunatic purchased the gun legally, of course. I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility that someone who would commit a murder with a gun would probably not hesitate to buy one illegally. They may not be as easy to get in Canada as they are here, but I am pretty sure it can be done. And I would think that it is pretty common to carry a weapon in a vehicle if travelling in that remote area, though if the vehicle was a truck, many have gun racks, and it very possibly could have been a rifle or shotgun. Did the witness describe what type of vehicle she saw? JMO

 

[cody22]

As for this lunatic's mental condition ...

It takes 60 days to buy a gun in Canada, and there is mandatory licensing for gun owners. Gun owners pursuing a licence must have third-party references, take a safety training course and pass a background check with a focus on mental, criminal and addiction histories.

Buyers in private sales of weapons must pass official background checks.

Canadian civilians aren’t allowed to possess automatic weapons, handguns with a barrel shorter than 10.5 cm or any modified handgun, rifle or shotgun.

How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

I wonder if he used a rifle or shotgun because either would certainly cause a huge amount of damage.

I have no idea what type of firearm was used in this crime... I do think he knocked out the right rear door window( probably with barrel of firearm), stood at the right rear of the van( shell casing ground markers), and then shot them as they exited the side door , they had opened to escape/respond to the attack.....moo

 

[Betty P]

We know something happened, but nothing about the shooter. Maybe someone nearly lost control of their vehicle because the van was parked was on the highway. We know that the shooter is irrational, and little else. We know the shooter might be an opportunist who thought the van was abandoned. We know that whatever happened, it ended in worst case scenario.

There's no scenario that justifies the cold blooded, brutal murder of two innocent people whose van broke down on the side of the road. Its not as if their van was parked on a blind curve, it could be seen from a distance. The alleged killer was seen by a witness during daylight hours. If the victim's van caused him to swerve, it was because he was careless, driving way too fast and possibly under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs.

If he's a local who didn't like tourists passing through, perhaps he needed to find a new place to live.

Looking forward to RCMP broadcasting a description of the killer's vehicle and a sketch and description of the bearded man. She may not have gotten a good look at his face, but hopefully she can give info about height, weight, clothing he was wearing, etc.

 

[otto]

BBM ... All of this is assuming that the lunatic purchased the gun legally, of course. I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility that someone who would commit a murder with a gun would probably not hesitate to buy one illegally. They may not be as easy to get in Canada as they are here, but I am pretty sure it can be done. JMO

Many people heading to Alaska (this happened on the Alaska Hwy) are stopped at the Canada - USA border for gun smuggling. It's probably more likely that people who travel through Canada to get to Alaska have illegal guns.

"Hundreds of hunters are failing to declare their firearms when they enter Canada. They are getting arrested and fined, and the U.S. Department of State wants to help
...

“In Canada, we’re looking at an estimated 200 to 300 U.S. citizens each year who run into trouble for failing to declare their firearms. Vancouver is the single largest port of entry where this occurs, and it’s a good possibility many of these travellers are headed to Alaska.”​

Guns and Canada, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

 

[JudgeJudi]

BBM ... All of this is assuming that the lunatic purchased the gun legally, of course. I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility that someone who would commit a murder with a gun would probably not hesitate to buy one illegally. They may not be as easy to get in Canada as they are here, but I am pretty sure it can be done. JMO

I agree, but rifles and shotguns aren't restricted firearms providing you meet the other requirements. No need to acquire an illegal one of those.

An introduction to Canadian firearm ownership laws

 

[JudgeJudi]

I have no idea what type of firearm was used in this crime... I do think he knocked out the right rear door window( probably with barrel of firearm), stood at the right rear of the van( shell casing ground markers), and then shot them as they exited the side door , they had opened to escape/respond to the attack.....moo

Sounds good to me.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

As for this lunatic's mental condition ...

It takes 60 days to buy a gun in Canada, and there is mandatory licensing for gun owners. Gun owners pursuing a licence must have third-party references, take a safety training course and pass a background check with a focus on mental, criminal and addiction histories.

Buyers in private sales of weapons must pass official background checks.

Canadian civilians aren’t allowed to possess automatic weapons, handguns with a barrel shorter than 10.5 cm or any modified handgun, rifle or shotgun.

How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

I wonder if he used a rifle or shotgun because either would certainly cause a huge amount of damage.

If the POI acquired their gun legally, there is every possibility they had no red flags in their background check but still had an underlying mental issue. Some individuals spend much of their younger years with or criminal record, nor history of mental illness, only to have a psychotic break of one sort or other when they are already well into their twenties or thirties.

Some people are bad eggs from the very beginning, yet are able to function / portray themselves as normal, law-abiding, mentally healthy individuals and may feign suitable candidacy to the system into permitting legal license to possess firearms - When they are in fact the last kind of people who should.

 

[Betty P]

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I have high hopes they find this killer before he can harm someone else. It's sad how we all have to be so fearful of angry, armed people these days, whether it's driving or shopping or walking in the park. If a stranger starts getting angry on the highway or in public, I make sure to avoid eye contact and distance myself from them as quickly as possible.

Those kids were in a terrible situation - out in the wilderness, no one around, a broken down van. Ugh. Sadly, I don't think there was anything they could do or say in their situation to keep this guy from killing them. He wanted to take his anger out on them and nothing was going to stop him. In retrospect, I wonder if the woman who saw him standing in the road wishes she had hit him instead, like running off a mad dog.

 

[otto]

There's no scenario that justifies the cold blooded, brutal murder of two innocent people whose van broke down on the side of the road. Its not as if their van was parked on a blind curve, it could be seen from a distance. The alleged killer was seen by a witness during daylight hours. If the victim's van caused him to swerve, it was because he was careless, driving way too fast and possibly under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs.

If he's a local who didn't like tourists passing through, perhaps he needed to find a new place to live.

Looking forward to RCMP broadcasting a description of the killer's vehicle and a sketch and description of the bearded man. She may not have gotten a good look at his face, but hopefully she can give info about height, weight, clothing he was wearing, etc.

Of course not. There's never a reason to shoot someone except in war. However, in terms of trying to understand what happened, it is important to look at all the factors that could have triggered an altercation.

One factor is that the vehicle was unsafely parked on a highway. This would be especially problematic at dusk, when visibility is reduced. The owner of the vehicle is responsible for ensuring the safety of other when stalled on a highway. This might have been enough to trigger road rage.

The vehicle should have been moved off the highway.

http://www.quickscribe.bc.ca/secure/archives/568.pdf

 

[Blue Amethyst]

i just saw a post saying that the first live stream for the presser had to be cancelled because they put the cat ears VR thing on the police liason officer oh my how terrible

otto i'll get back to you soon reading up on insurance for visa holders and or travelers within BC and other regions in canada including restrictions

this seems to be the only restrictions to car insurance and ownership for travelers

Buying A Car In Canada As A Foreigner. It is completely legal for a foreigner topurchase a vehicle in Canada, even if on a tourist visa. For the most part the only thing you will need is a valid international drivers license, some money and somewhere you can put down as a local address.

catears

MOO perhaps he had a good friend in Alberta who said he could use his address since he would be travelling and needed a home base. His plans may have been not to return to the ranch. If his ID had been stolen, perhaps the registration was missing as well. Maybe finding Chynna's passport was their only clue to their identity.

 

[al66pine]

Looked like a hippie....

I never considered it being a robbery. Gray Hughes said you can pick up an old van like that for a couple of hundred dollars. With Lucas having such long hair, he would have looked like a hippie. The fact that they were having a "picnic" at the side of the road doesn't exactly give an image of a young couple having much worth stealing.

With the old van & the hippie look couple on roadside, maybe perp thought they had drugs he could score? Not saying they did, just that a very unhinged person might have thought so. One possibility out of many. jmo.

 

[Betty P]

Of course not. There's never a reason to shoot someone except in war. However, in terms of trying to understand what happened, it is important to look at all the factors that could have triggered an altercation.

One factor is that the vehicle was unsafely parked on a highway. This would be especially problematic at dusk, when visibility is reduced. The owner of the vehicle is responsible for ensuring the safety of other when stalled on a highway. This might have been enough to trigger road rage.

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The vehicle should have been moved off the highway.

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http://www.quickscribe.bc.ca/secure/archives/568.pdf

That's a possibility, but none of the other witnesses who drove by mentioned the van parking situation was a problem. I'm sure the victims were aware of the problem, but were unable to move it farther off the road. Remember, they were very experienced travelers, having been to many countries and probably encountered many dangerous situations. They probably thought they would be able to start the van soon, but the killer returned before they could get it started.

JMO, the killer may have been triggered by and targeted these young people for other reasons. I'm sure we'll learn more as the situation develops.

 

[Betty P]

Looked like a hippie....


With the old van & the hippie look couple on roadside, maybe perp thought they had drugs he could score? Not saying they did, just that a very unhinged person might have thought so. One possibility out of many. jmo.

Very possible. Sexual assault may have also been a motive.

 

[otto]

MOO perhaps he had a good friend in Alberta who said he could use his address since he would be travelling and needed a home base. His plans may have been not to return to the ranch. If his ID had been stolen, perhaps the registration was missing as well. Maybe finding Chynna's passport was their only clue to their identity.

The vehicle licence plate has to be registered to an address. The Alberta plates must have been registered at an Alberta address, but Fowler lived and worked in BC. When police traced the licence plate address, they would have hit a dead end.

They were also unable to determine whether the victims owned the vehicle because it took time to locate Chynna's hidden passport. If the vehicle had been registered with BC licence plates to Fowler's BC address, RCMP would have immediately learned his identity. As it was, it took 3 days to identify the victims.

 

[zecats]

That's a possibility, but none of the other witnesses who drove by mentioned the van parking situation was a problem. I'm sure the victims were aware of the problem, but were unable to move it farther off the road. Remember, they were very experienced travelers, having been to many countries and probably encountered many dangerous situations. They probably thought they would be able to start the van soon, but the killer returned before they could get it started.

JMO, the killer may have been triggered by and targeted these young people for other reasons. I'm sure we'll learn more as the situation develops.

Definitely true. We are only guessing at the road rage motive as it fits fairly well. Might be something entirely different. Just catch him - that's the most crucial thing.

 

[otto]

That's a possibility, but none of the other witnesses who drove by mentioned the van parking situation was a problem. I'm sure the victims were aware of the problem, but were unable to move it farther off the road. Remember, they were very experienced travelers, having been to many countries and probably encountered many dangerous situations. They probably thought they would be able to start the van soon, but the killer returned before they could get it started.

JMO, the killer may have been triggered by and targeted these young people for other reasons. I'm sure we'll learn more as the situation develops.

They were experienced travellers, but were they aware of, and did they abide by, local law? Maybe stalled vehicles in the USA and Australia can be partially parked on major highways and they didn't know better. I'm just speculating that an altercation may have started with someone stopping because of almost hitting the van - and things went south from there.

With the broken window, it seems like the suspect was determined to confront the couple.

 

[Snoop Sister]

That's a possibility, but none of the other witnesses who drove by mentioned the van parking situation was a problem. I'm sure the victims were aware of the problem, but were unable to move it farther off the road. Remember, they were very experienced travelers, having been to many countries and probably encountered many dangerous situations. They probably thought they would be able to start the van soon, but the killer returned before they could get it started.

JMO, the killer may have been triggered by and targeted these young people for other reasons. I'm sure we'll learn more as the situation develops.

[/B]
I don’t think we will learn much more info from the RCMP as they are very tight lipped about their investigations compared to other countries...even after an arrest. Hopefully, they will release a sketch of the person who was seen with the couple soon.