Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

[pinkeyesucks]

Okay after this one I am going to bed....

Look at the date and TIME stamp on this article in the Northumberland News:

http://www.northumberlandnews.com/article/147213

Other than reporting the suspicious death, and the funeral, and that the story was one of the most read articles of the year for the Northumberland News, they hadn't said much about the case. Keeping it quiet hoping the police found more clues.

Jessica went missing later that night.

Coincidence?

Nah. Creepy.

 

[antiquegirl]

Was just doing some searches and came across this army forum. Not sure if anyone has ready any of the posts, but this particular one caught my eye. http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,90764.120.html

« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2010, 15:17:53 »I have had a thouht bare with me it is rare and can cause some intense pain...
Should the Col be found Guilty of these charges could and should any member who had been charged 129 and found guilty by the Col in any of his precious postings have the right to appeal the guilty verdict...
Seems to me that there is no more conduct unbecoming of a CF member then what the Col is charged with.
That being said of course this is all based on him being guilty which has not been proven yet.

This got me wondering...if any rapes etc on base occured ,the Col. would deliver their verdict to the perp? (Not sure if this is correct, but if it is...) Then I was thinking back to Mr Jones and how he explained how he felt RW was trying to frame him. I just wonder if he framed any of the above that he charged on base, hmmmm just makes ya think!

It's possible that RW could have been guilty of crimes on the base and even of framing others. But I'm pretty sure that any crimes committed there would be handled by either the Military Police or the local police department. He would not have the authority to lay any charges himself or deliver a verdict.

JMO

 

[flipflop]

It's possible that RW could have been guilty of crimes on the base and even of framing others. But I'm pretty sure that any crimes committed there would be handled by either the Military Police or the local police department. He would not have the authority to lay any charges himself or deliver a verdict.

JMO

It was this statement: found guilty by the Col that made me think of him laying charges. I really have NO CLUE how the rules and laws work with the military. This just made me think in a different direction. All JMO.

 

[Calliope]

It was this statement: found guilty by the Col that made me think of him laying charges. I really have NO CLUE how the rules and laws work with the military. This just made me think in a different direction. All JMO.

I don't have time to go digging any deeper at the moment, but you may be able to find the procedure on here:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/jag/office-cabinet/index-eng.asp

From wiki:

Courts-martial in Canada

In Canada, there is a two-tier military trial system. Summary trials are presided over by superior officers, while more significant matters are heard by courts martial, which are presided over by independent military judges serving under the independent Office of the Chief Military Judge. Appeals are heard by the Court Martial Appeal Court of Canada.

Capital punishment in Canada was abolished generally in 1976, and for military offences in 1998; although the last military execution was in 1958.

 

[fats]

This article:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-s-stepfather-can-t-figure-out-murder-charges

As 7 year old child who loses his father (though divorce) and gets a new step father. For a child who is quiet and thrives on structure this must have been very traumatic. Then the new family uproots from a small community to a big city--more unsettlement and scars--buried into the psyche of a young boy who needs stability and doesn't get it. RW's parents were "wild partyers" and had an active social life in DR in those early years---I am guessing he was neglected emotionally in those formative years?? The family had material things and were high acheivers but was there enough "nurturing" ???

...But why turn into a serial killer?? Rapist? Was this a hate for his mother? Well--RW must have a chemical imbalance to go through with those impulses and to be able to be so cool and calm---this character is mind-boggling. Sorry for rambling.......

 

[fats]

RW must have enjoyed his double life and the sense of power and control it gave him. Anyone who could go though with such devious crimes can't possibly be rehabilitated!!! And many other people have far worse upbringings than his and turn out fine---so I'm guessing he was born to be evil?? Faulty wiring?

My sympathy is for the victims and their families ONLY!

And now I think about all the resources that go out to the Predator in this case RW--he's being paid, housed, gets a free orange jump suit and a fancy lawyer to further indulge himself. And the victims families---all they get are profound grief----so damned sad!

 

[antiquegirl]

RW must have enjoyed his double life and the sense of power and control it gave him.

(RS & BBM)

What I don't understand is that this man already was in a position of tremendous power and control - both professionally and personally - far more so than the average individual. I think our biggest clues are his mother's two divorces and his subsequent voluntary estrangement from her lasting many years. This is probably over-simplification, but then, I'm not a psychologist.

JMO

 

[Patience]

I think Russ Williams asking one of his surviving victims if she had been molested by her mother to be something to be looked into by a psychologist.

I came across this website and I hope it's ok to post this. It is so easy to get carried away with wondering how many victims Russ Williams has. Many of his traits fit Project Kare's Profile of the Edmonton Serial Killer www.projectkare.ca and Just today I realized that the person who is shown is the video about the disappearance of Jennifer Keese might of been wearing a beret. Is Williams hat a beret?
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+russ+williams+beret&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

RUSSELL WILLIAMS A SERIAL KILLER?
ONE-TIME "GOLDEN BOY" OF RCAF NOW BEING
LOOKED AT IN UNSOLVED MURDER OF KATHLEEN
MacVICAR, RAPED AND STRANGLED ON TRENTON
CFB IN 2001 - WHAT ABOUT STRANGE DEATH OF
MAJ MICHELLE KNIGHT MENDES, FOUND DEAD IN
ROOM AT KANDAHAR AIRFIELD IN AFGHANISTAN?

 

[fats]

(RS & BBM)

What I don't understand is that this man already was in a position of tremendous power and control - both professionally and personally - far more so than the average individual. I think our biggest clues are his mother's two divorces and his subsequent voluntary estrangement from her lasting many years. This is probably over-simplification, but then, I'm not a psychologist.

JMO

Yes --he had a powerful position in his life and was a "rising star" in the military so he had ambitions of power. He also had power over his victims.
I'm an lay-observer of human behavior--it's a hobby not a profession. I agree that his reaction to his mother's divorce was drastic --but we don't know all the details either. For some reason---founded or unfounded he seems to resent his mother---and also women. There is lots that we don't know about what the home life for RW was like growing up, but we do see that he likes order, control and rape. (murder either intentionally or unintentionally too) Also his seemingly normal veneer was carefully crafted to hide his other sinister side.

I wonder how much his upbringing has to do with this behavior and how much his nature has to do with it??

 

[fats]

I think Russ Williams asking one of his surviving victims if she had been molested by her mother to be something to be looked into by a psychologist.

I came across this website and I hope it's ok to post this. It is so easy to get carried away with wondering how many victims Russ Williams has. Many of his traits fit Project Kare's Profile of the Edmonton Serial Killer www.projectkare.ca and Just today I realized that the person who is shown is the video about the disappearance of Jennifer Keese might of been wearing a beret. Is Williams hat a beret?
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+russ+williams+beret&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

RUSSELL WILLIAMS A SERIAL KILLER?
ONE-TIME "GOLDEN BOY" OF RCAF NOW BEING
LOOKED AT IN UNSOLVED MURDER OF KATHLEEN
MacVICAR, RAPED AND STRANGLED ON TRENTON
CFB IN 2001 - WHAT ABOUT STRANGE DEATH OF
MAJ MICHELLE KNIGHT MENDES, FOUND DEAD IN
ROOM AT KANDAHAR AIRFIELD IN AFGHANISTAN?

It turns my stomach that he asked his victims this question? It is quoted in a Globe article that his mother was very good looking. There was a lot of partying and "swapping of partners" eventually leading to divorce and restructuring of families. That was not too discreet--as RW left the town of Deep River with his new "restructured" family after the divorces and remarriages in the parents little clique. What part of all this did RW witness and how did this shape him?

 

[flipflop]

Yes --he had a powerful position in his life and was a "rising star" in the military so he had ambitions of power. He also had power over his victims.
I'm an lay-observer of human behavior--it's a hobby not a profession. I agree that his reaction to his mother's divorce was drastic --but we don't know all the details either. For some reason---founded or unfounded he seems to resent his mother---and also women. There is lots that we don't know about what the home life for RW was like growing up, but we do see that he likes order, control and rape. (murder either intentionally or unintentionally too) Also his seemingly normal veneer was carefully crafted to hide his other sinister side.

I wonder how much his upbringing has to do with this behavior and how much his nature has to do with it??

Thinking of his upbringing in a broken home...I found this VERY interesting article on Infidelity: The Lessons Children Learn. This article walks you through a scenerio of a child going through a seperation caused by infidelity and how it affected her. It really makes sense with RW when you read it (if infact this is what caused his parents seperation) http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8112_lesson.html

snipped from the above article;
A third crucial lesson is, How to be thoughtless -- doing what you please regardless of how it affects other people

Another rule from this lesson on deceit is that
Lying is allowed when it protects your privacy.

 

[Summersolstice]

Personality disorders are character defects, rather than medical problems. This contrasts with mental illness, which has a biological basis.

Antisocial personality disorder, and the subset called psychopathy by some, is not a biological disorder. Rather, it is a deeply ingrained, lifelong defect of character. There are many personality disorders, but this one is very highly destructive to others.

Some people with APD maintain what appear to be quite normal lives. Some never break the law. Some "high functioning" people with APD do break the law, but avoid detection. It's a matter of the degree of the PD, and the person's other characteristics (IQ, etc.) that determine whether they are outwardly successful in life, or get caught for breaking the law.

Some people have more than one personality disorder. Some people have personality disorders combined with mental illness. A person who has a personality disorder alone would not be considered mentally ill by the courts. Such a person is aware of their actions, and chooses to do what they do.

Most experts agree that there is very little chance of changing a person who has APD. No one knows if APD is an innate part of a person's personality, or a result of life circumstances, or a combination of the two. Usually the person shows signs of conduct disorder early in life.

That's a simplification, and I'm not saying that anyone has a PD. I'm not an expert.

 

[Summersolstice]

Was just doing some searches and came across this army forum. Not sure if anyone has ready any of the posts, but this particular one caught my eye. http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,90764.120.html

« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2010, 15:17:53 »I have had a thouht bare with me it is rare and can cause some intense pain...
Should the Col be found Guilty of these charges could and should any member who had been charged 129 and found guilty by the Col in any of his precious postings have the right to appeal the guilty verdict...
Seems to me that there is no more conduct unbecoming of a CF member then what the Col is charged with.
That being said of course this is all based on him being guilty which has not been proven yet.

This got me wondering...if any rapes etc on base occured ,the Col. would deliver their verdict to the perp? (Not sure if this is correct, but if it is...) Then I was thinking back to Mr Jones and how he explained how he felt RW was trying to frame him. I just wonder if he framed any of the above that he charged on base, hmmmm just makes ya think!

If he is guilty, will the military review all the court martial cases, and in fact any findings of guilt or disciplinary action this man took against those under his command while he was in a position of authority? It seems that such a person's whole career and life would be called into question. A person convicted of murder and sexual assault is not one who is qualified to judge others, retroactively. I wonder if there were any sexual harassment claims as well?

To think that RW is a friend of the military PR man from RMC in Kingston! I think the military owes Joe Grozelle's dad an explanation. I think Mr. Jones would agree.

 

[RubyRed]

Hundreds rally to support troops
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/02/20/12962876.html

 

[Hazel]

More than 1,000 attend Trenton’s military appreciation rally
Canadian Forces, organizers call support ‘overwhelming’

The more than 1,000 people marched from Trenton’s Bain Park to the front steps of CFB Trenton’s headquarters during a Feb. 20 military appreciation rally.

http://www.northumberlandnews.com/news/brighton/article/148779

 

[Hazel]

ON COSY COVE LANE

Found this under another article we have already read. I almost missed it!! Need to scroll down passed the article about Mr. Jones.
With hindsight, the long pause before answering Mr. Hendry's question is quite telling :cursing::curses::liar:

After the sexual assaults, and while a string of panty burglaries was ongoing -- police have reportedly connected Williams to 48 of them -- the colonel continued to discharge his enormous responsibility as base commander at Trenton, where he was responsible for more than 3,500 military and civilian staff.

With its millions in payroll, the base looms large over the neighbouring communities of Belleville, about 18 kilometres to the east, and the smaller town of Brighton, 20 kilometres to the west.

"It's clearly the biggest industry in the area," says Malette. "Sixty per cent of (Belleville's) local economy is related to the base. We're as much of a host community as Trenton itself."

As such a powerful local force, the base commander's focus is as much outward as it is inward. Neighbouring communities see the commander, a position typically rotated every two years, as another mayor.

It was Williams' awkwardness that made him stand out.

"He seemed shy, content to blend into the background," says Hendry.

Just like Jones, Hendry had his own encounter with the colonel that today seems to take on a heightened significance.

Having read Williams' official military biography, the reporter homed in on one of the hobbies listed on that document. It was a mutual passion the two men shared. Hendry hoped it would break the ice.

"So what do you like to take pictures of?" he asked.

There was a frozen pause, he remembers now.

"He looked at me, then he sort of looked down and away for a moment and seemed a little bit flustered. Just for an instant," he says. "And then he sort of stammered out, 'My cat.'"

Williams showed a picture of the cat on his BlackBerry.

Afterward, Hendry was left with the impression that Williams was more military man than ambassador -- someone who was more comfortable talking logistics and precision tactics than he was about himself.

Hendry wasn't the only one who noted Williams' social awkwardness. "He kept to himself," says Christine Maclenan, a bartender at Belleville's Red Lion Pub. Williams would stop in at the Lion about once a month, always between 2:30 and 3 p.m., and pick a spot at the empty end of the sprawling bar.

Maclenan remembers him rebuffing attempts at conversation. Single people usually stop in because they're looking for just that.

"It was bizarre," she says.

 

[Hazel]

more in that article ON COSY COVE LANE + pictures

Williams and his wife, Mary Elizabeth Harriman, purchased the half-acre lot fronting Stoco Lake (another acre was included across the road) for $178,000 in August 2004, shortly after he graduated from Royal Military College with a master's degree in defence studies.

With its location about 60 kilometres north of CFB Trenton, it was a good place for Williams to disappear.

"You wouldn't even know he was here," says Jones, peeking out his garage window at the yellow-taped property next door.

"This is just a kind of little rendezvous for him. He comes here when he's tired, wants to get rid of the humdrum of the base, at all kinds of different hours. You never know when he'd be here."

read more : http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Williams+Case+Neighbours+second+guess+Cozy+Cove+Lane/2560660/story.html

 

[LadyL]

I think Russ Williams asking one of his surviving victims if she had been molested by her mother to be something to be looked into by a psychologist.

I came across this website and I hope it's ok to post this. It is so easy to get carried away with wondering how many victims Russ Williams has. Many of his traits fit Project Kare's Profile of the Edmonton Serial Killer www.projectkare.ca and Just today I realized that the person who is shown is the video about the disappearance of Jennifer Keese might of been wearing a beret. Is Williams hat a beret?
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+russ+williams+beret&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

[bbm]

Which article is that from? It's the first I've heard of it and can't find it?

 

[Hazel]

Which article is that from? It's the first I've heard of it and can't find it?

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Originally Posted by Patience
I think Russ Williams asking one of his surviving victims if she had been molested by her mother to be something to be looked into by a psychologist.

It was Mr. Jones telling about the questions LE asked him. My assumption (and JMO) is LE thought a man committing that kind of sexual-attacks could have some kind of "trauma/hate" towards mother figure (one of the victims was a new mother).
I don't recall one of the 2 victims saying that RW asked her that question.

Here is the quote from Mr. Jones:

"They asked all kinds of things. Did my father beat me, did my mother molest me," he says. "Personal stuff, like what kind of sex do you like.

source : paragraph 21 : http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Williams+Case+Neighbours+second+guess+Cozy+Cove+Lane/2560660/story.html

 

[Sillybilly]

It was Mr. Jones telling about the questions LE asked him. My assumption (and JMO) is LE thought a man committing that kind of sexual-attacks could have some kind of "trauma/hate" towards mother figure (one of the victims was a new mother).
I don't recall one of the 2 victims saying that RW asked her that question.

Thanks for that clarification Hazel.