CANADA Canada - Nicole Morin, 8, Toronto, 30 July 1985

[dotr]

“I can tell you that 29 years ago contact was made with the OPP, investigations were done and the OPP didn’t find any leads in relation to Nicole Morin or any other case and it was left because there was nothing else to do. The people involved contacted us again, though, and thought that we should come up with more resources and get right into the fields and areas off the concession road and do a full search,” Cashman said. “We are up here now and we are having a look. We may find nothing in which case we will move on in a day or so or we might find something and it will change the complexity of the investigation completely.”

Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/officers-c...rance-of-nicole-morin-1.2045341#ixzz3FaEdy1Ve

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[Woodland]

Was just coming back to edit to 29 years - thanks dotr!

 

[dotr]

Wondering if this case, which was fairly recently in the news, and not far away, has anything to do with search in that area?.. jmo.

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2014/06/04/canadas-worst-pedophile-is-back-in-custody

"BRANTFORD, Ont. -- A man some call Canada's worst pedophile has been taken back into custody because experts believed he was returning to his predatory behaviour.

James Cooper, 78, was rearrested in February, and information obtained by QMI Agency shows the Parole Board of Canada officially revoked Cooper's statutory release two weeks ago, after hearing that his case management team felt he was beginning his "offence cycle" again.

Cooper was convicted in 1993 of a list of grievous sexual assaults on six children, aged 7 to 14, using instruments of torture such as a cattle prod, buggy whip, cow halter, cat-of-nine tails, belts and sticks. His actions seriously traumatized his victim"

 

[nitsirk]

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-story/4904104-search-on-for-girl-who-vanished-29-years-ago/

Provincial police, who are leading the search, came up empty handed after previously searching the area near Barrie following a call two days after her disappearance.

While finding anything now is a long shot, Cashman said it was important to do due diligence in light of the new call from the same person.

"It continues to bother the individual — they had the knowledge of what they thought they knew," he said.

 

[jessica-]

I want to stay optimistic but it has been 29 years, many animals, people and weather happened over the years. I hope the Toronto Police make me eat my words, how amazing would it be to find her and finally give the family closure.

I wonder what the tip was? I mean two days after what could have bothered that individual so much?

 

[nitsirk]

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-story/4904178-police-investigating-area-north-of-barrie-for-possible-link-to-nicole-morin-case/

“Basically, the OPP received some information approximately 29 years ago to a location near their Springwater detachment. They responded to the call, and acting on the information they had at that time, cleared it,” said Det. Sgt. Madelaine Tretter of 22 Division, who declined to comment on the nature of that original report.

“We recently received some information from a citizen asking us to take another look at it, so we’ve met with OPP and asked them to take another look and do a search of the area, which they’ve agreed to do.”

A Toronto police search team was sent up earlier in the day to aid in that search, which is reportedly taking place along Horseshoe Valley Road in Springwater Township, about 20 kilometres north of Barrie.

“We went up to assist, only because of our interest in a missing person who went missing around the same time,” Tretter said, noting that police aren’t yet sure whether there’s any connection between Morin’s case and that 29-year-old tip.

“We don’t know if there’s a link, other than it was received the same time of year, in the same year (Morin went missing). That’s the only link we have.”

“We’re looking for any clues to go on that would establish any link at all to our missing person case,” she added.

So the tip they got 29 years ago wasn`t specific to Nicole?

 

[LoyalSleuth]

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-story/4904104-search-on-for-girl-who-vanished-29-years-ago/

This is an interesting statement

"It continues to bother the individual — they had the knowledge of what they thought they knew," he said.

So someone called in about 29 years ago saying they saw something strange that possibly involved a young girl, this call was in the same year and month that Nicole vanished... So LE checked it out, found nothing closed the tip....

Now the person calls again in July 2014 and says this is really bothering me, I know what I saw, I really think it is linked to NLM...

So now, all those LE, search trucks, buses, etc are all there looking???

To me this tip is something... All those resources has to be something....

 

[dotr]

"On July 30, 2014 police released a re-enactment video, hoping to garner new leads in the case. It worked, Cashman said, and a tip from the public led them back to area previously cleared by the OPP.

Cashman said the search will last for at least two days, and potentially longer if new evidence is uncovered.

“We may find absolutely nothing. We may find something. If we do find something we will be here for a long time,” he said."

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http://www.680news.com/2014/10/08/police-conduct-search-in-nicole-morins-disappearance-reports/

 

[CrimeSolver]

Wow, this is exciting. I sure hope it isn't a dead end. Please solve this.

 

[nitsirk]

I just watched Sue Sgambati`s report on CBC. She was interviewing the officer on the scene. The tip 29 years ago came from a family on August 1 1985, The OPP went in and did a search but found nothing in relation to what they were told. After the media blitz this summer, the same family called back in.

The search today is about 100 acres off Old Second (rd) to try and confirm if Nicole was there or not. If they find anything they`ll be there longer. If there is no evidence they will be done tomorrow.

 

[DueSouth]

I am guessing that someone saw suspicious activity of some sort involving a minor in what looks like a remote area.

It seems from these events that the police did a cursory inspection of the area in 1985, and left when they saw nothing. I suppose that now that they have the technology, they are intensively searching in a way that would have been difficult to do with what was available then.

I shudder to think of what this person or group saw that would bother them until this day.

Contrast this information with the Christine Jessop case where the police brushed off eyewitness testimony about suspicious sightings.

Good for the police and their thoroughness here.

 

[Chorley8]

http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/police-search-springwater-township-for-leads-in-nicole-morin-disappearance-1.2045222#ixzz3FZq8cOU7



I hope they find something. This location is right off hwy 400, just north of Barrie.

I hope they don't. (But I know what you mean)

I agree it is hard to imagine what someone could have seen that would make them nonplussed - yet were unable to persuade LE more effectively at the time. Obviously something

 

[DueSouth]

Yes, and something that one would keep thinking about almost 30 years later.

I have a feeling that the OPP did not connect whatever this was to the Morin case either when they looked into it originally.

Maybe it was something overheard, or the colour of a piece of clothing, or shoes that would make the witness clue in and make the call recently.Or a combination of these things.

The newer full size pictures of Nicole and reenactments might have helped.

 

[scriptgirl]

Wow, such an odd case

 

[Chorley8]

Yes, and something that one would keep thinking about almost 30 years later.

I have a feeling that the OPP did not connect whatever this was to the Morin case either when they looked into it originally.

Maybe it was something overheard, or the colour of a piece of clothing, or shoes that would make the witness clue in and make the call recently.Or a combination of these things.

The newer full size pictures of Nicole and reenactments might have helped.

These are very good ideas.

Though if remember (well it was just yesterday) the officer interviewed mentioned that something 'happened' 20 years ago two days after she went missing (that specific day if he is correct) and I think was suggesting that it was investigated in connection with Nicole. Woodland's points i.e. that ditches and properties close to the road having already been searched is a good point as well. It is tough to imagine clothing surviving in a ditch for 29 years so perhaps they are looking for a weapon/instrument (?) or of course human remains. 100 acres is a big area. They are using two dogs I think so again apart from human remains what could the dogs be seeking after that length of time?


It is certainly very interesting no way would they impinge on the tie of the OPP without good reason surely.

Thinking of the Holly B case in US didn't the father or grandfather actually say he saw her at his farm something like that - who knows maybe a tip that good is in play here, someone who actually saw Nicole 2 days after alive or dead.

I am still hoping for a good outcome though this search hardly helps to get your hopes up.

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...h-renewed-after-appeal-prompted-tip-1.2793782

"The search began yesterday in Springwater Township, near Old Second Road and Horseshoe Valley Drive. Several dozen officers are involved, as are dogs trained to search for human remains.

"Obviously we're looking for any clothing that we know is associated to her," said Toronto police Det.-Const. Kim Lister-McLeod, speaking with CBC News on Wednesday, the first day of the search.

"And possibly, I mean, we can't eliminate the fact that we might be looking for a body as well, so that's why we have the cadaver dogs."

 

[dotr]

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._for_leads_in_nicole_morin_disappearance.html



"In terms of technology available to police in 1985 to survey the site, criminologist and Western University professor Michael Arntfield said there was “very little.”

“For all intents and purposes, this is a fresh crime scene,” he said in a phone interview from London, Ont.

Arntfield has studied the case closely for the last five years as part of his research, and has even considered featuring it on the show he hosts on OWN, “To Catch a Killer.” Given the resources and “talented officers” on one of Canada’s last remaining dedicated cold case units, this search could be a game-changer, said Arntfield.

It’s not only about the technology available but also how methodical investigations are now, he went on to say. Information is now shared across police services and officers are given a much higher level of training when it comes to grid searches and recognizing and preserving evidence. This puts today’s investigators “light years” ahead of those who worked the case in 1985, he said.

The initial police search involved 100 officers, including marine and air units in addition to those searching by foot, on horse, and in cars."

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[nitsirk]

twitter.com/suesgambati

Sue Sgambati with CBC has some interesting tweets and pictures. The search manager was just back in the woods looking where they were using the ground penetrating radar.

 

[CrimeSolver]

Sgambati is a swell person. Nice woman, and dedicated to and interested in cold cases.

 

[nitsirk]

According to the reporters on twitter, two officers just returned to the woods with shovels. Same area ground penetrating radar was used