Found Deceased Canada - Norah, 11 & Romy Carpentier, 6, Quebec, 9 July 2020 *father died of suicide*

[Bodhi]

Should have read your post first. My bad. And my exact thought.

You provided sound effects! I searched for audio but my husband is asleep, so I couldn't evaluate them. I will have to wait til tomorrow to play yours. Too creepy at night.

 

[indicolite22]

The search area has been expanded to cover 50 square kilometers. A Transport Canada plane, equipped with a thermal camera joined the search yesterday. At the end of the day, the search took place in a wooded area near Rang Haut Paroisse in Saint-Agapit, which is west of Road 273.

At this time it's being speculated that the father and his two daughters were in the car when it rolled over on Highway 20.

Les recherches s'étendent sur 50 km carrés

It appears that the search was directed to Rang Haut-Paroisse because a member of the public reported having seen an individual running in a corn field.

Martin Carpentier toujours introuvable, les recherches s'étendent sur 50 km carrés

 

[indicolite22]

Martin Carpentier was not the biological father of the 11-year old Norah. Her estranged bio dad spoke to the media, as did Martin's employer and one coworker, who was also his childhood friend. The latter described Martin as calm and reserved. Allegedly he was very involved in the girls' lives.

Mort des soeurs Carpentier: «J’aurais donné ma vie à sa place», dit le père biologique de Norah

 

[indicolite22]

This is from a few days ago.

According to witnesses, but unconfirmed by police, Martin Carpentier did not take his divorce/separation well. He has shown signs of depression, lost weight and was possibly thinking of quitting his job.

A friend of his current partner described him as an exemplary father who put his daughters first.

Fillettes disparues: le Québec retient son souffle

 

[dotr]

.Manhunt continues in Quebec for father of girls found dead
"The Sûreté du Québec are continuing to search in Saint-Apollinaire, Que., for Martin Carpentier, 44, who remains missing as of Tuesday morning.

“In the evening, information received led us to comb an area a few kilometres from the place where the searches were being carried out,” the police said in a statement on Twitter late Monday night, adding that their checks did not lead to the suspect.

“Despite the difficult conditions, our searches will be maintained tonight and tomorrow.”

 

[eucalyptuz]

I am devastated about this case. That poor mother.
What was going through his head?!? I have two possible theories for his actions:
-He was under the influence of alcohol when he crashed the car and realized he may face prison and/or lose custody/access of the girls.
-He let the girls ride in the front seat without seatbelts and so faced the same situation as theory 1 AND the girls may have been seriously injured.

I wonder if we will hear about the cause of death of the children? As always in Canada but particularly Quebec, we often don’t get access to these kinds of details until things reach the courts.

ETA: there are several species of toxic berries in Canada...could the three have become poisoned after surviving the crash by foraging for food?

 

[dotr]

Had not thought about the little things that people might leave behind, like candy wrappers and other traces (urination?) that would have to be tested/ investigated.
rbbm.imo.
Search for Martin Carpentier 'complex,' retired RCMP officer says | Montreal Gazette
''The density of the forest, the possible criminal element and the vast area being searched are all factors contributing to the lengthy search for Martin Carpentier, according to a retired RCMP officer.''

“It’s a complex situation,” Guy Lapointe said on Monday. “There are so many factors that can influence the search techniques being used and how quickly the search can go.”

''Police usually estimate a search helicopter’s success rate in a forest that thick is around five per cent, he said, and if Carpentier is alive, he is likely hiding.''

''Though acting out of good intentions, people performing their own searches can later impede canine searches and add to the police’s investigation, Lapointe said. Items left behind by residents during searches — he gave the example of a discarded granola bar wrapper — need to be evaluated as thoroughly as anything else found in the forest.''

 

[Bodhi]

I am devastated about this case. That poor mother.
What was going through his head?!? I have two possible theories for his actions:
-He was under the influence of alcohol when he crashed the car and realized he may face prison and/or lose custody/access of the girls.
-He let the girls ride in the front seat without seatbelts and so faced the same situation as theory 1 AND the girls may have been seriously injured.

I wonder if we will hear about the cause of death of the children? As always in Canada but particularly Quebec, we often don’t get access to these kinds of details until things reach the courts.

ETA: there are several species of toxic berries in Canada...could the three have become poisoned after surviving the crash by foraging for food?

Good theories!

 

[indicolite22]

The plane with the thermal camera is flying above the search area again. It came from Nova Scotia.

Flightradar24: Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map

The search teams spent the morning in the fields and woods near the Rousseau road and rang Sainte-Marie est, in Saint-Agapit. The area had already been searched on Monday.

Fillettes décédées: sixième jour de recherche pour retrouver Martin Carpentier

 

[dotr]

Allison Hanes: Struggling to make sense of sisters' senseless deaths | Montreal Gazette
''In hindsight, the video of Martin Carpentier and his 11-year-old daughter Norah seems chilling.

Dressed in their iconic uniforms, the duo reached out to their fellow Scouts last spring to say how much they missed them during the period of confinement due to the pandemic. Carpentier urged the troupe to hang in there. Norah said she hoped they’d all be able to go camping this summer.''

''Innocent enough at the time, Norah’s words now echo from beyond the grave. Her body was found along with that of her six-year-old sister Romy in the woods of eastern Quebec on Saturday. Martin Carpentier, meanwhile, has been transformed from father to fugitive.''

''What led Carpentier to behave in such a bizarre manner?

Why were they found alone?

How did they die?

But, more to the point, why? Why are two sweet girls, who went out for ice cream on a hot night in July, now lying in a morgue?

Why have two more children died in their father’s custody?

Why is another mother left to mourn a staggering loss?''

''Is this calamity a product of mental illness, a distress call we only seem to hear when it explodes in crisis? Was this some kind of misguided act of desperation? Is this what we euphemistically call a”family drama,” the totally inadequate term we use to mute the hideousness domestic violence, in all its forms? Is this toxic masculinity at its nadir? Or maybe it’s some lethal combination of all of the above?''

 

[AllElseFailed]

This is from a few days ago.

According to witnesses, but unconfirmed by police, Martin Carpentier did not take his divorce/separation well. He has shown signs of depression, lost weight and was possibly thinking of quitting his job.

A friend of his current partner described him as an exemplary father who put his daughters first.

Fillettes disparues: le Québec retient son souffle

When reports mentioned that he was 5’10 and 130lbs I was shocked by how thin he must appear. I’m 5 foot & 133lbs and wear a size 4/6! Could lend credence to the report of weight loss and depression. JMO

 

[Bodhi]

Allison Hanes: Struggling to make sense of sisters' senseless deaths | Montreal Gazette
''In hindsight, the video of Martin Carpentier and his 11-year-old daughter Norah seems chilling.

Dressed in their iconic uniforms, the duo reached out to their fellow Scouts last spring to say how much they missed them during the period of confinement due to the pandemic. Carpentier urged the troupe to hang in there. Norah said she hoped they’d all be able to go camping this summer.''

''Innocent enough at the time, Norah’s words now echo from beyond the grave. Her body was found along with that of her six-year-old sister Romy in the woods of eastern Quebec on Saturday. Martin Carpentier, meanwhile, has been transformed from father to fugitive.''

''What led Carpentier to behave in such a bizarre manner?

Why were they found alone?

How did they die?

But, more to the point, why? Why are two sweet girls, who went out for ice cream on a hot night in July, now lying in a morgue?

Why have two more children died in their father’s custody?

Why is another mother left to mourn a staggering loss?''

''Is this calamity a product of mental illness, a distress call we only seem to hear when it explodes in crisis? Was this some kind of misguided act of desperation? Is this what we euphemistically call a”family drama,” the totally inadequate term we use to mute the hideousness domestic violence, in all its forms? Is this toxic masculinity at its nadir? Or maybe it’s some lethal combination of all of the above?''

Excellent column. She articulates the personal horror and the broader concerns so well.

 

[LadyL]

I am devastated about this case. That poor mother.
What was going through his head?!? I have two possible theories for his actions:
-He was under the influence of alcohol when he crashed the car and realized he may face prison and/or lose custody/access of the girls.
-He let the girls ride in the front seat without seatbelts and so faced the same situation as theory 1 AND the girls may have been seriously injured.

I wonder if we will hear about the cause of death of the children? As always in Canada but particularly Quebec, we often don’t get access to these kinds of details until things reach the courts.

ETA: there are several species of toxic berries in Canada...could the three have become poisoned after surviving the crash by foraging for food?

so he killed them to avoid prison??
I don't follow your logic

 

[branmuffin]

The scream of a red fox sounds human. In the middle of the night, it is very unnerving. It could easily be mistaken for a girl.

Peacocks can be mistaken for women and children crying.

 

[branmuffin]

This is just pure speculation based on past circumstances. When I saw that video of Carpentier in his Cub scout uniform I wondered if something was going to break about his behavior toward his wards. It wouldn't be the first time people in positions of authority have used it to abuse their wards. Doesnt matter if they are priests, camp counselors, athletic coaches or scout leaders, it's happened more times than I care to remember and not just anonymous individuals but high profile people with a great pedigree.. No one wants to go there because it's adding horror upon horror.

As for the screams, I hadn't read that they were heard on Friday rather than Wednesday. Could it be another thing lost in translation? However if Friday is accurate maybe Carpentier invaded a cottage that was occupied. MOO, IMO

 

[dotr]

This is just pure speculation based on past circumstances. When I saw that video of Carpentier in his Cub scout uniform I wondered if something was going to break about his behavior toward his wards. It wouldn't be the first time people in positions of authority have used it to abuse their wards. Doesnt matter if they are priests, camp counselors, athletic coaches or scout leaders, it's happened more times than I care to remember and not just anonymous individuals but high profile people with a great pedigree.. No one wants to go there because it's adding horror upon horror.

As for the screams, I hadn't read that they were heard on Friday rather than Wednesday. Could it be another thing lost in translation? However if Friday is accurate maybe Carpentier invaded a cottage that was occupied. MOO, IMO

Maybe MC was screaming, like a little girl.

 

[Sjm_qc]

As for the screams, I hadn't read that they were heard on Friday rather than Wednesday. Could it be another thing lost in translation? However if Friday is accurate maybe Carpentier invaded a cottage that was occupied. MOO, IMO

RSBM

I triple-checked when the screams were heard, it was Friday 1am. Link below, also an interview with one of the people who heard them and a police update (the later 2 are videos).

Chasse à l'homme: la chronologie des événements

Fillettes disparues: des «cris de détresse» dans la nuit à Saint-Apollinaire

 

[Sjm_qc]

Twitter (SQ official account)

Current Operation (search) in St-Apollinaire. The analysis of the information we have gathered leads us to modify our strategy. In order to avoid harming the ongoing investigation in the area, we will only communicate/update you if we have new information to divulge.
(Quick translation by me).

Fairly enigmatic although sensible, IMO (the twitter audience doesn’t like it ).

It leads me to speculate that either they think he’s still alive & following the updates & they don’t want to tip their hand, or whether he’s alive or dead, the general public attempts at helping are still hampering them.

I do think, JMO etc etc, that for days now the SQ has had a lot more info/clues than they’re letting on.

I’m NOT an uncritical supporter of Quebec law enforcement although some of my posts here may lead some people to think I am. If they do bungle this, I’ll be right there to hold them to account, but for the moment I’ll hold my fire.

 

[Sjm_qc]

Maybe MC was screaming, like a little girl.

That thought has crossed my mind too.

However, there is so much wildlife in rural/semi-rural areas which can be *very* noisy & the cries can be very disconcerting.

I’m glad the people that heard the cries reported them. However as far as I can tell (rereading some of the reports linked in the thread) LE hasn’t/can’t confirmed that the cries are related.

I’m inclined to think that it could be the Amber Alert that made the auditory witnesses report the cries and that they might be a red herring, rather than dismiss them as ‘normal’ wildlife. Especially given that it was over 24 hours after the accident/car found, AND the ~16 hour delay in the Amber Alert being issued didn’t help (I received it at 3.34pm Thursday). It took me a while to work out days/times etc & I still made a mistake in my original timeline (as did MSM) .

 

[MistyWaters]

I admit to not following this tragedy too closely but what I have read about seemed conflicting in terms of distance between the crashed vehicle, the girls bodies and search area.

This G&M report is fairly in-depth and isn’t paylocked.

BBM

Search for Quebec man suspected in deaths of daughters settles into slow grind
Martin Carpentier, a 44-year-old Scout leader, has been missing since last Wednesday, when his badly damaged car was found on the highway near Lévis, Que. He had last been seen earlier that day at a convenience store with his daughters, six-year-old Romy and 11-year-old Norah, who were also declared missing, launching the longest Amber Alert in Quebec history. The bodies of the girls were found in the woods near Saint-Apollinaire, Que., close to the damaged car, on Saturday.

How the children died and Mr. Carpentier’s role remain unknown. Authorities say they are not yet releasing autopsy results for the girls to protect the integrity of the investigation.

The search for Mr. Carpentier continues in a 50-kilometre radius near where his crashed car was found. Among the few traces he left at the accident was a half-melted ice cream. Provincial police have since discovered “objects of interest” near where the bodies of his daughters were found, but otherwise evidence of Mr. Carpentier’s whereabouts has been thin.....

.......Even with the best techniques and training, looking for someone in so large a space with such thick plant cover is a daunting task, Mr. Hébert said. “It’s a bit like fishing, sometimes you get a million bites, sometimes you get nothing.”

The odds for Mr. Carpentier, however, appear to be even steeper. Heat, exhaustion, hunger, thirst, and reduced decision-making capacity are just some of the challenges that an unprepared person would face during a long stretch alone in the forest, Mr. Hébert said. Nighttime temperatures just over 10 degrees can also trigger hypothermia and cause the body to burn precious calories to stay warm. Even with Scout training, Mr. Carpentier would be severely tested by spending a week as a fugitive in the woods.”