Canada - Robert White for building dungeon in kidnap plot, Pickering, Ont, 2011

[matou]

White makes sense, can buy it off the shelve, no need to have clerk mix it to a specific colour that can be traced back.

Good thinking.

 

[matou]

White makes sense, can buy it off the shelve, no need to have clerk mix it to a specific colour that can be traced back.

Dewey are you Canadian? You spelled 'colour' the way we do. LOL

 

[Lera213]

I don't know could be a shower wand. Oh wait..next to a golf course, suppose the greens keeper or one of those employees is the person. OMG YES!

They would know the house is there, they would have landscaping SHOWER WANDS, metal to even fabricate their own water irrigation for the golf course.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Actually after looking at it again, it may be a wheel wrench inside a pipe, as it seems to change diameter after the first set of straps from the bent end. A wheel wrench from a semi would probably be what is known as a 4-way wrench or a breaker bar, which would be much longer on the bent end and closer to a 90 deg bend.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Dewey are you Canadian? You spelled 'colour' the way we do. LOL

Yep, Bluenoser to be more specific, but I did live in Ontario for 5 years back in the early to mid 70s. :rocker:

 

[Lera213]

Greens Keepers can work year round, they might not be mowing but there is always work. It wouldn't be suspicious of his vehicle parked there off season, takes a golf cart out to the hole closest to the house. The cart can even carry supplies where he can throw over the side, if he didn't want to drive the cart to the house and risk being seen. He could easily not been seen there because the full time greens keeper is usually the only year round person. They hire more during the golf season. HOLY COW!

 

[06062323]

Actually after looking at it again, it may be a wheel wrench inside a pipe, as it seems to change diameter after the first set of straps from the bent end. A wheel wrench from a semi would probably be what is known as a 4-way wrench or a breaker bar, which would be much longer on the bent end and closer to a 90 deg bend.

Your point regarding the diameter change makes sense. If it is fitted inside a pipe it would work perfectly as a huge sliding bolt lock. There are two of these fixtures on the door one at the top one at the bottom too...

 

[Valleyboy]

Most golf courses have banquet halls and can be in use just about all year round.

It probably takes 2 or 3 days to set up a hall so it would not be unusual to have have several employees around most of the time.

 

[Hazel]

In this photo what is on the wall. To me it looks like a shower head at the end of a pipe and it is hung up on the wall, mounted with clamps.

Looks like two large deadbolts to me (top and bottom), like this one: click here to view image and compare

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[Dogface]

For some reason I just got the strongest feeling its going to be a person similar to Dennis Rader....a trusted community member, who probably works in a government position. I find it very brazen that the person would come back to the dungeon to burn it down, but then again, if they some how knew the place wasn't being watched it wouldn't be that bold.

What are y'alls thoughts on the likelihood of other dungeons like this existing around the area? It crossed my mind that the person using these could be setting them up, using them to house victims until they murder them, then they strip it of items that would stand out to a fire investigator and torch the place to cover evidence.

I hope they attempt to match tire tracks and footprints if any can be found from the arsons and the dungeon house.

 

[ynotdivein]

Looks like two large deadbolts to me (top and bottom), like this one: click here to view image and compare

I thought so too, Hazel... the dungeon contraption looks very similar to the link you posted.

I'm no physics genius, so I wonder if anyone has thoughts on how it would work if that is a bolting mechanism top and bottom, since if it is, the bolt/closures would be on the outside of the door on the hinge side? Seems that the monster would want another bolt fastened on the opening side of the outside at least, even though there certainly appears to be no handle on the inside of the door.

Then again, maybe there was a literal bar across the middle of the door on the outside too that just isn't shown in pictures.

:sigh:

 

[Hazel]

I thought so too, Hazel... the dungeon contraption looks very similar to the link you posted.

I'm no physics genius, so I wonder if anyone has thoughts on how it would work if that is a bolting mechanism top and bottom, since if it is, the bolt/closures would be on the outside of the door on the hinge side? Seems that the monster would want another bolt fastened on the opening side of the outside at least, even though there certainly appears to be no handle on the inside of the door.

Then again, maybe there was a literal bar across the middle of the door on the outside too that just isn't shown in pictures.

:sigh:

IMO the hinges are on the other side (our right looking at the picture).

If you look above the top yellow rectangle, you can see what looks like a silver door frame. The door in my opinion is closed.

Is only when you look below the top yellow rectangle, that it gives the impression that the door is ajar.

There seems to be a gap between the door and the ceiling, that is what is puzzling me. Maybe that door lead to a corridor that lead to the dungeon room itself? :waitasec: I don't know, the picture is taken from an odd angle, it is hard to know what we are looking at. Pics are blurry too.

On second thought, could it be two twin doors, and the silver frame is actually part of the door? Door opens inwards, so what we are seeing is only the right-hand-side door opened?

Like this image: two doors



I tried to arrange the pictures together in a way that IMHO it's easier to get a better idea. Will just link the pictures here, so as not to take too much space:

( 1 ) [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7494110#post7494110"] Inside of Creepy Dungeon room[/ame]


( 2 ) [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7494131#post7494131"] Inside of Creepy Dungeon[/ame]

 

[tarabull]

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Bolded the above. Yes, the questions are just dangling.

Just like those chains dangling from the ceiling, and who/what would be dangling from those chains?

bbm

do you suppose the table (on wheels) rolls over to be under those chains - for what purpose i'm not sure however, it just struck me that 2 of those chains are about that table width apart no??

 

[06062323]

IMO the hinges are on the other side (our right looking at the picture).

If you look above the top yellow rectangle, you can see what looks like a silver door frame. The door in my opinion is closed.

Is only when you look below the top yellow rectangle, that it gives the impression that the door is ajar.

There seems to be a gap between the door and the ceiling, that is what is puzzling me. Maybe that door lead to a corridor that lead to the dungeon room itself? :waitasec: I don't know, the picture is taken from an odd angle, it is hard to know what we are looking at. Pics are blurry too.

On second thought, could it be two twin doors, and the silver frame is actually part of the door? Door opens inwards, so what we are seeing is only the right-hand-side door opened?



I tried to arrange the pictures together in a way that IMHO it's easier to get a better idea. Will just link the pictures here, so as not to take too much space:

( 1 ) Inside of Creepy Dungeon room


( 2 ) Inside of Creepy Dungeon

After looking at these pictures a second time, I can now see that there are at least two different doors to the dungeon:

The first one in the picture with the guy standing goes all the way to the ceiling without a gap at the top unlike the one with the wheel wrenches ( or whatever they are).

There is a second door shown in the picture that shows the dirty walls and window, that has a small handle on the outside part but nothing on the inside. It is hard to see in the second pic of that part of the room but it is there.

Finally, there is that door with the locking mechanisms we have been discussing. To me the fact that it leaves a gap between the ceiling suggests that it is not a "real door" that came with the house. Instead is looks man made by the perp, especially since it looks more like a thick piece of plywood that was painted white. JMO

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Looks like two large deadbolts to me (top and bottom), like this one: click here to view image and compare

If you compare the image at your link with the item on teh door, you will notice the bend is different, and that the one on the door has a larger unit on the end of the short bent section like a lug wrench or wheel wrench.

http://photobucket.com/images/lug+wrench/

 

[SuziQ]

If you compare the image at your link with the item on teh door, you will notice the bend is different, and that the one on the door has a larger unit on the end of the short bent section like a lug wrench or wheel wrench.

http://photobucket.com/images/lug+wrench/

ITA that's a lug wrench on the door.

 

[Hazel]

If you compare the image at your link with the item on teh door, you will notice the bend is different, and that the one on the door has a larger unit on the end of the short bent section like a lug wrench or wheel wrench.

http://photobucket.com/images/lug+wrench/

looks like that, so I guess is "handmade"

 

[puppyraiser]

One of the news broadcasts stated that the dungeon was "concealed" so that makes me think there was a door/entrance hidden behind something... maybe a false wall? I'm not sure what link I heard that comment, but I do recall hearing it.

Will go back and try to find it.

 

[tarabull]

My best guess is that the entrance to the basement is through that padlocked door at the back of the house....shown at around the 1 minute mark in this video:

http://www.thestar.com/VideoZone2/embed/1105105?width=600&height=450

eta: The original basement entrance would have been like this back in the day

http://www.nationalenergyaudits.com/images/cellardoor.jpg

That is until that shed type wooden addtion was added on the back of the house.

As for the room itself, a false wall is a possibility.

 

[tarabull]

Confinement Room Found in Abandoned Home
19-Dec-2011 13:09 PST

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Investigators are asking the public for assistance in locating the person(s) responsible for building a confinement-style room in an abandoned home in northwest Pickering.

On November 29, 2011, contractors surveying an abandoned residence on Concession Road 7 in northwest Pickering discovered recent construction had taken place in the basement of the residence. As the abandoned residence is slated for demolition, the contractor contacted Durham Regional Police.

The responding officers observed what they believe to be a recently constructed room solely designed to hold someone captive in the basement of the old farmhouse. Investigators are trying to determine if the construction was used to confine someone or designed for some other non-criminal purpose, such as a prop in an amateur film production.

Extensive forensic examination continues as investigators are trying to determine who is responsible for the construction and use of the room. The police are looking to the public for additional information on any suspicious activity observed in the area of Concession Road 7 and the York Durham Line.

Anyone with information about this ongoing investigation is asked to contact Det. Darren Short (ext. 5407) or Det. Chuck Nash (ext. 5402) of the Major Crime Branch at 1-888-579-1520.

Anonymous tips can be made to Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS) or on the website at www.durhamregionalcrimestoppers.ca and tipsters are eligible for a cash reward of up to $2,000.

http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=20971

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