GUILTY Canada - Rori Hache, 18, pregnant, found deceased, Oshawa, Ont, 29 Aug 2017

[andreww]

I would think it wise to wait until the full investigation and prosecution of all perpetrators is complete and the case is considered closed before demolishing a crime scene. For some reason, I actually found it slightly odd that she is pushing so hard to have the house demolished asap. MOO.

Unfortunately we simply can't go tearing down every house that a crime was committed in. Murders happen every day. Are we going to tear down the house in Ajax where a mother and two daughters were just murdered? Yes it was done in the Brenardo case, but the circumstances were a little different. As I recall his leased car was crushed as well. The horrors that happened in that home were documented and the world knew exactly what happened to French and Mahaffey. In this case we don't even know that Rori was killed in the house and we don't know how she died. Also, one has to consider the situation of the owner. The person that owned the Bernardo home was stuck with a home that would always be undervalued due to the stigma attached to it, and it made more sense to demolish it and redevelop. In Oshawa its a different story. The house in the middle of four adjacent properties owned by a single person. The value is not in the structures, its in the sizeable piece of land that she could one day sell to a developer. She is not likely to sell that middle property without the other three being included in the deal. So if the city wants to tear down that house its going to cost big time. Never going to happen.

 

[andreww]

I would think it wise to wait until the full investigation and prosecution of all perpetrators is complete and the case is considered closed before demolishing a crime scene. For some reason, I actually found it slightly odd that she is pushing so hard to have the house demolished asap. MOO.

Some people are just so emotionally vested and they just don't think clearly. Yes there are cases where a building should be demolished, but this simply isn't one of them, for many different reasons.

 

[TLC4645]

Some people are just so emotionally vested and they just don't think clearly. Yes there are cases where a building should be demolished, but this simply isn't one of them, for many different reasons.

Indeed this disturbing case seems to have effected many people on a deep emotional level. I have rarely seen a case surrounded by so much rumour and innuendo with so few actual facts.

I actually spent most of my free time for 2 days not ony reading this thread from the beginning but also anything and everything I could find online about RH and AS and the only true fact I discovered was that the torso was found floating in water and later some type of remains were found in the apartment of AS. Both were identified through dna as being RH. What I did not find was any proof that it was flesh found in drains that alerted the plumber, or that the victim and the accused knew one another via mutual acquaintance or any other way. Also no where has it been proven that Rori was held, assaulted, tortured, or murdered at that property. I did read where LE stated that they "collected" a large amount of "items", but there is nothing at this point saying any new "evidence" has been deemed from anything they "collected" so far.

Although this opinion may not be popular (and I'm not saying it is actually mine) at this moment with the evidence we know about AS is guilty of no more than being in possession of the body parts of the deceased. In theory it is just as likely that he discovered Rori's body while diving and (he is known to have some perverted and twisted fetishes) removed the parts himself to take home for his own gratification. Lets face it. It would be so much easier to transport parts home than it would be a torso to the water using public transit, a bike, or a cab. This is definitely sick and demented but until more evidence is given or his charges are amended he has not been proven to be a killer imo.

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[Tadpole12]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4114746/rori-hache-family-oshawa-house/

Family of teen whose body parts were found in Oshawa ‘house of horrors’ wants it torn down


March 29 2018


Video incl, KM interview


"Global News called the owner of the home on McMillan Drive, which also owns the two neighbouring buildings, but no one wanted to comment."

 

[Grey-St]

I can completely understand why the family, friends, and greater community would want this property torn down. It's an incredibly disturbing and haunting case. But I also agree, that the case needs to be tried first before the courts. Who knows what decision will be made at that time. If further charges are laid, and strong evidence is presented, it may not be much different than the Bernardo case.

 

[Hatfield]

I would think it wise to wait until the full investigation and prosecution of all perpetrators is complete and the case is considered closed before demolishing a crime scene. For some reason, I actually found it slightly odd that she is pushing so hard to have the house demolished asap. MOO.

I also think it is better to wait till after he is convicted. You never know when or if the jury may be asked to tour the room where the alleged actions happened. You just dont know what in the future may happen too regarding other victims.

For example lets suppose someone comes forward and claims body parts of someone else are inside of a wall. I know that is far fetched but stranger things have happened.

Just feel its best to wait till he is convicted.

 

[Hatfield]

Im afraid this is becoming a trend in these types of cases.

In the Bever case where the kids killed their family members the neighbors were calling for the city to demolish the home and build a Memorial Garden in its place.

Nothing was happening and I think neighbors took matters into their own hands and someone tried to burn it down.

http://www.newson6.com/story/34944197/fire-destroys-vacant-bever-family-home-in-broken-arrow

 

[Tadpole12]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rori-hache-family-demand-house-be-demolished-1.4600499

Rori Hache's family demands Oshawa 'house of horrors,' where teen's remains found, be demolished

Mar 30, 2018

"A demonstration organized by Rori Hache's family was held outside the home on Friday with more than 30 people calling on city council to purchase the property and raze it.

Last month, homicide detectives concluded their investigation of the property, handing it back to the owner. Then, this week, Meeldyk says a 'for rent' sign went up.

That had Meeldyk livid. ...


"My goddaughter died in there. She was chopped up, flayed like a fish and dispersed in the most horrendous way and nobody's talking about that," Meeldyk told CBC Toronto outside the home on Friday. Durham police confirm Hache was murdered, but no further arrests have been made in connection with her killing.

"We can't just forget what happened," she said. "You can't sweep it under the rug," she said, saying the family still doesn't have closure and is calling on the city to intervene.

The landlord says the upstairs apartment could be rented as early as Saturday. The basement apartment meanwhile remains boarded up.

But Oshawa mayor John Henry says the city's hands are tied.

"If this has been seized by the government or by the proceeds of crime, if the building had been structurally deficient, that's a different story," he said. "In this case we don't have a tool to go buy the property other than going to the homeowner and buying it directly."

He added: "But then we would have to demolish all properties where sad things happen.""

 

[andreww]

Indeed this disturbing case seems to have effected many people on a deep emotional level. I have rarely seen a case surrounded by so much rumour and innuendo with so few actual facts.

I actually spent most of my free time for 2 days not ony reading this thread from the beginning but also anything and everything I could find online about RH and AS and the only true fact I discovered was that the torso was found floating in water and later some type of remains were found in the apartment of AS. Both were identified through dna as being RH. What I did not find was any proof that it was flesh found in drains that alerted the plumber, or that the victim and the accused knew one another via mutual acquaintance or any other way. Also no where has it been proven that Rori was held, assaulted, tortured, or murdered at that property. I did read where LE stated that they "collected" a large amount of "items", but there is nothing at this point saying any new "evidence" has been deemed from anything they "collected" so far.

Although this opinion may not be popular (and I'm not saying it is actually mine) at this moment with the evidence we know about AS is guilty of no more than being in possession of the body parts of the deceased. In theory it is just as likely that he discovered Rori's body while diving and (he is known to have some perverted and twisted fetishes) removed the parts himself to take home for his own gratification. Lets face it. It would be so much easier to transport parts home than it would be a torso to the water using public transit, a bike, or a cab. This is definitely sick and demented but until more evidence is given or his charges are amended he has not been proven to be a killer imo.

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All of what you said is true, however, if you read between the lines its is hard to dispute some facts. The story about the plumber for instance is 100% true. When police were first on the scene, the plumbing truck was there, it was confirmed by relatives of the upstairs tenant, and also by acquaintances of the actual plumber. There are just too many sources talking about this for it not to be true.

As for AS and the way in which RH died, there have been several women that have come forward and stated that AS liked to "choke out" his partners during sex. I think it would be naive for anyone to chalk this all up as a coincidence and that AS has found himself as a victim of circumstance. So long as he is in custody LE can take their time building a case against him, insuring they know exactly what happened, not just what probably happened.

 

[TLC4645]

Strong is back in court tomorrow. I wonder if his charges will be amended?

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[Tadpole12]

http://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/109869

Pre-trial for accused in Rori Hache case begins Tuesday


April 10, 2018


"A judicial pre-trial begins Tuesday for a man charged in connection with the death of an Oshawa teen."

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from FB

August 27 Discovery
and possibly
test for mental fitness.

Jury trial in October.

 

[TLC4645]

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...used-in-rori-hache-dismemberment-set-for-fall

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[Tadpole12]

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...used-in-rori-hache-dismemberment-set-for-fall


Preliminary hearing for accused in Rori Hache dismemberment set for fall


April 10, 2018



"OSHAWA — A 46-year-old man accused in the grisly dismemberment of Rori Hache appeared via video on Tuesday in a courtroom that was packed with the teen’s family and friends.
Standing in an orange prison jumpsuit with his handcuffed hands clasped in front, Adam Strong’s latest appearance was brief as his lawyer and the Crown determined his preliminary
hearing will take place the week of Oct. 15 ."

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.durhamregion.com/news-s...g-for-adam-strong-accused-in-rori-hache-case/

October hearing for Adam Strong, accused in Rori Hache case

April 10, 2018

"OSHAWA — The man charged after remains of missing Oshawa teenager Rori Hache were found at his apartment will be in an Oshawa courtroom for a weeklong preliminary hearing next fall.

Adam Strong appeared via video link Tuesday afternoon from the Central East Corrections Centre, where he’s been held since his arrest in late 2017. His defence lawyer Tom Balka announced he’s prepared to move Strong’s case forward.

“The defence intends to proceed with a preliminary hearing,” Balka told Ontario court Justice Ferhan Javed.
The hearing is set to begin Oct. 15 and continue for a week. During a preliminary hearing, the Crown presents its case and a judge rules on whether or not there is sufficient evidence for the matter to proceed to trial."

 

[Tadpole12]

http://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/109899

Preliminary hearing dates set for accused in Rori Hache case


April 10, 2018


"Appearing via video Tuesday afternoon for a judicial pre-trial, Adam Strong was told of upcoming dates surrounding his case.

Strong, who was arrested in December 2017 after the remains of 18-year-old Hache were found in his home, will appear at the Oshawa courthouse in person for the first time August 27 for a focus hearing. A focus hearing is not open to the public and the goal is to sort out any potential issues leading up to preliminary hearings.


Preliminary hearings will then take place October 15-19."

 

[Tadpole12]

http://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/109899

con't

"Rori’s mother Shanan Dionne isn’t pleased with the upcoming timeline, feeling exceptions are being made for Strong, specifically him not appearing in in court in person and being “kept nice and safe and warm…in Lindsay jail.”


Shanan, who plans to keep busy through the spring and summer by raising awareness about human trafficking in Oshawa and throwing a birthday party for Rori July 9 at Memorial Park, says one thing she is looking forward to is seeing Strong in person.


“I’m tickled,” explained an emotional Dionne. “I would like to at least look the animal [Strong] in the eyes…I hope I have the strength in me by then to look at him in the eyes…I’m not at a forgivable point in my life, I’m angry as hell.”

She’s also furious that Strong still hasn’t been charged with her daughter’s murder. Strong has only been charged with indecent interference with a dead body."

 

[Tadpole12]

PRACTICE DIRECTION - PRE-HEARING CONFERENCES and FOCUS HEARINGS:


http://www.courts.ns.ca/Provincial_...NSPC_PD_Pre-hearing_Conferences_AMD_15-07.pdf

v. application to determine the fitness of an accused to stand trial

 

[andreww]

http://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/109899

con't

"Rori’s mother Shanan Dionne isn’t pleased with the upcoming timeline, feeling exceptions are being made for Strong, specifically him not appearing in in court in person and being “kept nice and safe and warm…in Lindsay jail.”


Shanan, who plans to keep busy through the spring and summer by raising awareness about human trafficking in Oshawa and throwing a birthday party for Rori July 9 at Memorial Park, says one thing she is looking forward to is seeing Strong in person.


“I’m tickled,” explained an emotional Dionne. “I would like to at least look the animal [Strong] in the eyes…I hope I have the strength in me by then to look at him in the eyes…I’m not at a forgivable point in my life, I’m angry as hell.”

She’s also furious that Strong still hasn’t been charged with her daughter’s murder. Strong has only been charged with indecent interference with a dead body."

You know, I feel so badly for Shanan Dionne, however she is so far off the mark in some of her statements. I highly doubt that strong is getting any preferential treatment, and surely not because of any fear that something might happen to him. For those that haven't been to a courthouse lately, entry is similar to going through a security check at an airport. At the Millard/Smich trial, people were screened at the front door, then again at the entry to the courtroom. Nothing is going to happen to this guy and anybody who even thought of attempting it would be nuts. As for Strong not being charged with murder, would she prefer that cops rush the charge before their investigation is complete? Doing so would only increase the chances of an unsuccessful prosecution. Strong is in custody, he's not going anywhere anytime soon. There is simply no reason to rush the process.

 

[Tadpole12]

http://lawfacts.ca/mental-health/trial/fit/hearing

What is a fitness hearing?

"A fitness hearing is like a short trial where a judge decides whether or not an accused is “unfit to stand trial”. This occurs after the accused has been assessed by a psychiatrist, and has returned to court.

Unlike an actual criminal trial, it is only necessary to prove the accused is unfit to stand trial on a “balance of probabilities,” and not “beyond a reasonable doubt.” A “balance of probabilities” basically means “more likely than not.

At a fitness hearing, witnesses are called to give evidence by testifying in court. In many fitness hearings, the psychiatrist who assessed the accused will testify. However, in some cases the psychiatrist will not testify in person, but the report that he/she produced will be filed as an exhibit. Quite often, the accused will also testify. After the judge has heard all the evidence at the hearing, they will ask the Crown and the accused’s lawyer (or the accused themselves) to make submissions on whether or the accused has been proven to be “unfit to stand trial.” Submissions are an argument made by the lawyers that summarize the evidence and try to convince the judge to accept their position. After hearing the submissions of the lawyers, the judge will make a decision (often called a ruling) on whether or not the accused has been shown, on a balance of probabilities, to be unfit to stand trial or not.”

 

[Tadpole12]

https://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/

"The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the one we lost. They are tools to help us frame and identify what we may be feeling. But they are not stops on some linear timeline in grief."