CANADA Canada - Ryan Shtuka, 20, Kamloops, BC, 17 Feb 2018

[Policescannr]

I hold tight to my notion -- that something (gang related - not him being in one) but being a witness to something gang related and killed that night and moved

even drunk it is not normal to just keep walking when someone in your group stops to supposedly tie a shoe in tons of snow --

the group just stops without thinking

would any of you in a cluster of 4 and one stops walking just keep going in the middle of the night

it is not normative social behavior imo

i think he was murdered that night and relocated and I think it is gang related

jmo

I have to agree with you. Since early on I felt a strong sense that Ryan was abducted. No one just vanishes. And with this new CBC article in which a neighbor to the same area recalls hearing an angry male voice yelling “get in the car, get in the #%$! Car!” in the middle of the night when Ryan was last seen...I have to consider seriously your theory. The drug trade is everywhere. He could have witnessed the wrong people doing a big transaction, or simply overheard a conversation about trafficking. Godspeed.

 

[Andreee]

<modsnip - quoted post and reference to it removed> In my opinion, Ryan is still at the ski hill, having fallen into a crevice or is amongst the trees, and he just hasn't been found yet. We hear of so many cases where the missing person was not seen by searchers after extensive searches, only to be found years later in the same area. I read of a similar case in the Alps or somewhere in Europe, where a young inebriated man left a party, and was supposedly walking back to his cabin. He ended up going in a different direction, and had fallen down a cliff but wasn't discovered until years later. This, after extensive searches had already been done. It is quite astounding really.

 

[Policescannr]

<modsnip - reference to quoted post> In my opinion, Ryan is still at the ski hill, having fallen into a crevice or is amongst the trees, and he just hasn't been found yet. We hear of so many cases where the missing person was not seen by searchers after extensive searches, only to be found years later in the same area. I read of a similar case in the Alps or somewhere in Europe, where a young inebriated man left a party, and was supposedly walking back to his cabin. He ended up going in a different direction, and had fallen down a cliff but wasn't discovered until years later. This, after extensive searches had already been done. It is quite astounding really.

I’ve read similar cases. Most of the missing 411 cases are identical to Ryan’s, often found months later on top of a mountain 10km away. Ryan’s case is a little different though, even after the snow thawed nothing has turned up. And now a CBC article documents someone that lives nearby saying they heard a man yelling with anger at someone to get in the effing car in the middle of the night....the worst part of missing persons cases is that they can often have criminal foul play elements to them that simply go unseen, and so it continues as a missing persons case and doesn’t get the force of a homicide or abduction investigation.

 

[dspdenver]

And now a CBC article documents someone that lives nearby saying they heard a man yelling with anger at someone to get in the effing car in the middle of the night

Of course, since this man said he did report it to the police, it's possible they investigated, found whoever was shouting and cleared this tip of any relevance to Ryan's disappearance. Unless they have to due to media scrutiny, such results are rarely released by the police.

 

[Ford350]

After listening to the newest podcast I did research and MDMA is the drug ecstasy. From what I have read it can very much change a person's personality depending on the amount of usage. Kids smoke your weed, drink you booze but stay off the hard stuff. There is obviously a problem at this Resort if this is what goes on after working hours.

 

[Satchie]

I don't think your comment is fair. The public needs updates and information to continue to care about this young man. Hopefully this podcast will help solve this case.

What I meant was that any experienced media publisher knows police do not reveal information except as it assists their investigation. They absolutely don't conduct their investigations in public, through media stories. Their job is to catch criminals, that's impossible if you're regularly informing the criminals of what you know or don't know, or what you suspect. We don't know whether this is a criminal case, but even if police have no reason to believe a crime was committed, they can't rule it out until he's found.

IMO, the family and the media are quite capable of keeping Ryan's disappearance in the public eye. That media publisher blaming police for not telling her what they think, is being irresponsible, IMO.

 

[dspdenver]

As for the tip, the RCMP are over 30 minutes away in Kamloops (per information out there) these people with the car would have been long gone by then. Just saying.

Well, I assume they were long gone before the tip came in, as I doubt someone called the police to report this that night. They called it in sometime (maybe days later) after learning about the missing person report. But the police could have then canvassed the neighborhood asking about the shouting reported the night Ryan was last seen and found someone who said, Oh yeah, that was us, nothing to see here, move along.

 

[Ford350]

Satchie your comment was totally off the wall. Without the media there are no tips there is no information. They had nothing to report and people are wanting information. You don't put this missing person out there without any info. I believe this new info has been held back but it now all seems to tie into what might have happened. Perhaps this is a heartbroken family wishing to find their young son just was taken because of the elements. There is obviously much more to this story

 

[Satchie]

Satchie your comment was totally off the wall. Without the media there are no tips there is no information. They had nothing to report and people are wanting information. You don't put this missing person out there without any info. I believe this new info has been held back but it now all seems to tie into what might have happened. Perhaps this is a heartbroken family wishing to find their young son just was taken because of the elements. There is obviously much more to this story

Yes, I take it as given the family is heart-broken and just want to find their son. If I, or anyone on websleuths, or the police, or the public, could make that happen, I assure you we would.

 

[dspdenver]

Wow what a response. No one knows what happened except for Ryan and whoever. Obviously he is not on the hill. You need to move along

What I meant was the police could have verified that whoever was shouting to get in the car was just someone who had been partying that night and totally unrelated to Ryan's disappearance, if it was someone living in that area who caused/was involved in that disturbance and they let the police know.

Could there be some link to Ryan's disappearance and this tip and the car caught by the camera? Sure, but it seems like late night parties are not rare at ski resorts and I assume such yelling at night is not particularly uncommon in the area. While Ryan not being found yet might mean he is not on the hill anymore, unless more information is uncovered, I still think it is more likely there was no foul play and he will be found eventually in some out-of-the-way area as so many intoxicated missing persons are.

 

[Andreee]

I just read this article earlier today and I also found the report stated by the neighbor to be very disturbing it actually made the hair on my arms stand up, largely because very early on I had a strong sense that this young guy was abducted in some fashion. People do wander off and end up in inexplicable places, but something is not right here. I can’t believe this report wasn’t publicized earlier...it’s kind of a smoking gun in terms of what may have happened to him. Thanks for posting.

I can't believe this info didn't get publicized either! I am in the same general region and keep up to date on the latest news, and nowhere did it mention a neighbor hearing something! There hasn't been a hint of anything other than for people to help in the search on the mountain for Ryan. So this new information is quite interesting.

 

[Policescannr]

I can't believe this info didn't get publicized either! I am in the same general region and keep up to date on the latest news, and nowhere did it mention a neighbor hearing something! There hasn't been a hint of anything other than for people to help in the search on the mountain for Ryan. So this new information is quite interesting.

Law enforcement will more than often hold information like this close to the chest because it is relevant and publicizing too much of that kind of thing can destroy an investigation. As much as we want answers RCMP isn’t in the business of satiating the public’s appetite for truth unless the public’s safety is at risk. Sounds like sun peaks like most areas these days has a drug problem and little law enforcement. My senses tell me this is drug related on some level. I think someone shady was looking for him that night or was waiting nearby for the right moment to grab him. I know people disappear and turn up in strange places but nothing is turning up even after the snow has melted. My sniffer says something else happened that night.

 

[tarabull]

For all we know Ryan could have merely been friends with the wrong girl.

Just saying...

A man shouting get the effing car sounds a bit of a domestic....IMHO

 

[Policescannr]

For all we know Ryan could have merely been friends with the wrong girl.

Just saying...

A man shouting get the effing car sounds a bit of a domestic....IMHO

100% my thoughts too.

 

[Policescannr]

<modsnip - quoted post and reference to it removed>. CBC article had a piece in it about a retired RCMP investigator who assisted in Ryan’s search. He was quoted as saying he was on the train of thought that Ryan wondered off drunk and high and fell into a tree well, until he interviewed one of Ryan’s friends, who was visibly nervous and scared for himself. This retired RCMP states he thinks it’s foul play. That holds a lot of weight especially from a retired cop. You put that up against the yelling at night and the car leaving the village at 4am and the shady drug dealer taking him scenario suddenly moves into Center frame. I hope this crap is resolved soon.

 

[Andreee]

Of course, since this man said he did report it to the police, it's possible they investigated, found whoever was shouting and cleared this tip of any relevance to Ryan's disappearance. Unless they have to due to media scrutiny, such results are rarely released by the police.

If that is the case, the CBC including that tidbit of info. without clarification did a disservice to the public. We need to know if this witness account is still in the equation or not.

 

[Ford350]

If that is the case, the CBC including that tidbit of info. without clarification did a disservice to the public. We need to know if this witness account is still in the equation or not.

The public can't be told everything. I hope the RCMP have some of the information needed but they need to find Ryan. Again, being from Alberta I just pray this kid is found and returned home before the end of the year.

 

[tarabull]

From back in August...

Violence relating to Kamloops drug trade is on the rise: RCMP

 

[Ford350]

From back in August...

Violence relating to Kamloops drug trade is on the rise: RCMP

There is a lot of info on the news today mostly about the BC illegal drug issues and fentanyl. So dam sad for all the people, mostly kids that have died from this crap.

 

[dotr]

There is a lot of info on the news today mostly about the BC illegal drug issues and fentanyl. So dam sad for all the people, mostly kids that have died from this crap.

rbbm.
Especially worrying for young people trying something out for the first time.
Lethal Drugs are Circulating - Province of British Columbia
"When fentanyl is combined with other opioids (like heroin, morphine, methadone or codeine), alcohol, benzodiazepines, or cocaine or methamphetamines, it can further increase the risk of accidental overdose. There is no easy way to know if fentanyl is in drugs and people can’t see it just by looking. People may be taking fentanyl without knowing it and putting themselves at risk for overdose.

It’s not just people who use drugs regularly that are being affected by fentanyl. People trying illegal drugs for the first time are also at risk."