Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[lynck]

delete this post pls mods was a duplicate (this one only) lol

 

[lynck]

Welcome to Ws debsy99, thanks for joining this thread!
Yes, this missing person case, does imo. have an eerie element to it.
Do you think there is any chance that Shannon did have some legitimate connection to either Toronto or Vancouver?

The person CS who I mentioned she follows on twitter was a producer in Edmonton who moved to Toronto and works at a nightclub, I checked all of the new years pictures but didn't see shannon in them at all. Couple people had similar traits, though. This CS person was also a producer or director of the canadian version of Cauti*n: M*y C*ntain N*ts....

Also the 'shanswer' youtube page says she 'liked' their video 1 month ago, i've been refreshing it daily to see when it clicks over to 'two months ago' but it hasn't cycled yet....

 

[Writerofwrongs]

I have a feeling the whole may be in Toronto/Vancouver lead was nothing more than a distraction, to lead LE away from any real evidence. I too am wary of the husband - I know he has been cooperative but I can't shake the feeling he maybe knows more than he is letting on.

I can't believe Shannon is still missing, and it is so quiet! I do hope she is somewhere, safe, warm and happy. Sadly, I don't think this is the case.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I have been following from the sidelines. Originally joined for the Nathan O'brien case and followed closely the Luka Magnotta case. This one hits closer to home as I know someone in the family. It's been eerily quiet for some time now. No updates anywhere no information at all. I wish they could all get some answers. As for if they suspected foul play why have they not said anything yet. CPS likes to keep their cards super close till they are 100% ready to make an arrest. In one case they recently arrested a man who's wife went missing 2 years earlier. Another case a guy I went to school with was stabbed to death at a bar and that also took 2 years before they arrested the guy. I think about Shannon daily, it has an eerie feeling to it though.

Welcome and thanks for posting and adding to the conversation. It must be tough if you're personally connected, I hope our hypothesizing and theorizing doesn't offend you.

I find it eerie as well, so quiet…And sadly LE can't divulge information they find to the family which must make the family crazy as I know it would make me crazy!

 

[Leischa]

Hi everyone,

I've been reading this thread for the last two days without commenting on it. I'm kind of new to WS, since I only registered a couple of months ago and this is my first missing person case.

It caught my eye because, just like me, Shannon is Canadian.

One question that I've seen asked here and that I did ask myself is, did the police even ''physically'' look for her? About one year ago, there was a young man who disappeared in Quebec City and I remember that the case just seemed unreal because his friends had been with him inside a restaurant. The guy said he was going to the bathroom and he never came back. Well, guess what? He was found four days later, in between an outside wall and a garage. He fell from a terrasse, got stuck there and died.

Something similar could've happened to Shannon, although... if she went out that night with the intention of meeting someone, or a group of people, that or those persons would have come forward and said it, right? Someone would've been waiting for her somewhere, or someone would've spent some time with her right before her disappearance.

This is a very strange case. She does not appear to be the type of person who'd just take off like that in the middle of the night. She had plans. She was actively looking for gigs.

What I'm thinking is that maybe she got into a conversation with someone on Facebook that night and they decided to meet up. She went and something happened to her. Although, leaving their cell phone at home is not something people usually do, especially if they go out at night. Cell phones used to be bought for emergencies, and even though we use them for a wide range of purposes nowadays, I know that I'd never go anywhere at night (especially alone!) without my cell phone. Ever.

 

[dotr]

Welcome to the thread Leischa, this is a peculiar disappearance,imo, the Quebec case you mention is a good reminder that stranger things have and can happen.

 

[LoisLane]

Hi everyone,

I've been reading this thread for the last two days without commenting on it. I'm kind of new to WS, since I only registered a couple of months ago and this is my first missing person case.

It caught my eye because, just like me, Shannon is Canadian.

One question that I've seen asked here and that I did ask myself is, did the police even ''physically'' look for her? About one year ago, there was a young man who disappeared in Quebec City and I remember that the case just seemed unreal because his friends had been with him inside a restaurant. The guy said he was going to the bathroom and he never came back. Well, guess what? He was found four days later, in between an outside wall and a garage. He fell from a terrasse, got stuck there and died.

Something similar could've happened to Shannon, although... if she went out that night with the intention of meeting someone, or a group of people, that or those persons would have come forward and said it, right? Someone would've been waiting for her somewhere, or someone would've spent some time with her right before her disappearance.

This is a very strange case. She does not appear to be the type of person who'd just take off like that in the middle of the night. She had plans. She was actively looking for gigs.

What I'm thinking is that maybe she got into a conversation with someone on Facebook that night and they decided to meet up. She went and something happened to her. Although, leaving their cell phone at home is not something people usually do, especially if they go out at night. Cell phones used to be bought for emergencies, and even though we use them for a wide range of purposes nowadays, I know that I'd never go anywhere at night (especially alone!) without my cell phone. Ever.

A very recent case in Calgary of a missing woman (Lisa Mitchell) whose remains were found two years later in her own home is especially unsettling.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/remain...n-missing-two-years-husband-charged-1.2136108

Is it possible that LE has a suspect but can't legally prove it at this time so they have to wait it out with surveilance to qualify a reason for a search? How long will this go on for before they either have evidence or lose evidence and lose the chance or find the chance to press charges? Of all the unsolved missing person's cases they are most likely unsolved murders.

A part of me thinks that LE needs to recover her body before laying charges. I question the efforts made by LE in the early hours of the investigation and that they may not have collected the evidence as efficiently as they did in the Liknes-O'brien Homicide and that they are not able to take the risk of another homicide charge without a body. If that makes sense.

 

[news.talk]

A very recent case in Calgary of a missing woman (Lisa Mitchell) whose remains were found two years later in her own home is especially unsettling.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/remain...n-missing-two-years-husband-charged-1.2136108

Is it possible that LE has a suspect but can't legally prove it at this time so they have to wait it out with surveilance to qualify a reason for a search? How long will this go on for before they either have evidence or lose evidence and lose the chance or find the chance to press charges? Of all the unsolved missing person's cases they are most likely unsolved murders.

A part of me thinks that LE needs to recover her body before laying charges. I question the efforts made by LE in the early hours of the investigation and that they may not have collected the evidence as efficiently as they did in the Liknes-O'brien Homicide and that they are not able to take the risk of another homicide charge without a body. If that makes sense.

I have paralleled the LM case many times too... Very similar press release. Hopefully not the same outcome.

I imagine police need at the very least, a crime scene. In the Liknes case, they had a bloody crime scene. Obviously they moved ahead with the declaration of homicide and subsequent charges.

I just posted on Justin Mckinnon-Blomme's page here... In contrast with the family of SB, they have set up a FB page, keep the story alive in the press and have papered the city in flyers. His forum here could really use some sleuthers though... Very odd case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258010

Too many missing people in Calgary. [emoji17]

 

[LoisLane]

I have paralleled the LM case many times too... Very similar press release. Hopefully not the same outcome.

I imagine police need at the very least, a crime scene. In the Liknes case, they had a bloody crime scene. Obviously they moved ahead with the declaration of homicide and subsequent charges.

I just posted on Justin Mckinnon-Blomme's page here... In contrast with the family of SB, they have set up a FB page, keep the story alive in the press and have papered the city in flyers. His forum here could really use some sleuthers though... Very odd case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258010

Too many missing people in Calgary. [emoji17]

I was reading Justin's family's comments and what is shocking is this comment:

"Facebook won't allow us or the police into his Facebook account - our Canadian warrant for that is apparently not valid in the US (a law we plan on having changed)."

That is crazy! I sure hope they can find a way to hack into it. Guaranteed there is motive in those messages. I cannot believe it.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Hi everyone,

I've been reading this thread for the last two days without commenting on it. I'm kind of new to WS, since I only registered a couple of months ago and this is my first missing person case.

It caught my eye because, just like me, Shannon is Canadian.

One question that I've seen asked here and that I did ask myself is, did the police even ''physically'' look for her? About one year ago, there was a young man who disappeared in Quebec City and I remember that the case just seemed unreal because his friends had been with him inside a restaurant. The guy said he was going to the bathroom and he never came back. Well, guess what? He was found four days later, in between an outside wall and a garage. He fell from a terrasse, got stuck there and died.

Something similar could've happened to Shannon, although... if she went out that night with the intention of meeting someone, or a group of people, that or those persons would have come forward and said it, right? Someone would've been waiting for her somewhere, or someone would've spent some time with her right before her disappearance.

This is a very strange case. She does not appear to be the type of person who'd just take off like that in the middle of the night. She had plans. She was actively looking for gigs.

What I'm thinking is that maybe she got into a conversation with someone on Facebook that night and they decided to meet up. She went and something happened to her. Although, leaving their cell phone at home is not something people usually do, especially if they go out at night. Cell phones used to be bought for emergencies, and even though we use them for a wide range of purposes nowadays, I know that I'd never go anywhere at night (especially alone!) without my cell phone. Ever.

Welcome! I'm hoping this case gets some movement soon, so many possible scenarios and nothing but silence...

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I have paralleled the LM case many times too... Very similar press release. Hopefully not the same outcome.

I imagine police need at the very least, a crime scene. In the Liknes case, they had a bloody crime scene. Obviously they moved ahead with the declaration of homicide and subsequent charges.

I just posted on Justin Mckinnon-Blomme's page here... In contrast with the family of SB, they have set up a FB page, keep the story alive in the press and have papered the city in flyers. His forum here could really use some sleuthers though... Very odd case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258010

Too many missing people in Calgary. [emoji17]

Thanks for the link News, will check it out.

 

[Leischa]

Thanks for the welcomes everyone.

I hope that that the reason LE isn't giving any news is because they don't have a body so there's nothing to charge someone with. But at the same time, the longer it takes before they arrest someone, the longer that person has to delete and hide proof. And I fear that, if they have no leads whatsoever, they put her case at the bottom of the pile and focus on more recent ones. I don't know how many detectives are investigating the missing persons cases in Calgary but with the awful lot there seems to be, they must be pretty busy.

And also, I want to add that I find it kind of odd that no one from Shannon's family created a Missing page for her on Facebook. Is it something common for the families of the missing to set up pages so people can share pictures and information? I would think so.

 

[lynck]

Thanks for the welcomes everyone.

I hope that that the reason LE isn't giving any news is because they don't have a body so there's nothing to charge someone with. But at the same time, the longer it takes before they arrest someone, the longer that person has to delete and hide proof. And I fear that, if they have no leads whatsoever, they put her case at the bottom of the pile and focus on more recent ones. I don't know how many detectives are investigating the missing persons cases in Calgary but with the awful lot there seems to be, they must be pretty busy.

And also, I want to add that I find it kind of odd that no one from Shannon's family created a Missing page for her on Facebook. Is it something common for the families of the missing to set up pages so people can share pictures and information? I would think so.

I completely agree. I have a gut feeling she may still be alive and hiding out or captive somewhere that news may not be as available as one would expect for the sole reason that the facts in front of us just don't lend themselves to her being dead.

I also wonder about the 'deletion' issue. Weren't some WS'ers saying they saw some items having been deleted throughout this sleuth?

 

[lynck]

The person CS who I mentioned she follows on twitter was a producer in Edmonton who moved to Toronto and works at a nightclub, I checked all of the new years pictures but didn't see shannon in them at all. Couple people had similar traits, though. This CS person was also a producer or director of the canadian version of Cauti*n: M*y C*ntain N*ts....

Also the 'shanswer' youtube page says she 'liked' their video 1 month ago, i've been refreshing it daily to see when it clicks over to 'two months ago' but it hasn't cycled yet....

UPDATE: Refreshed the page at 12:49 and 13:16 and sometime within that period the 'like' view clicked over to 2 months. This means the 'like' was added approximately 6-8 days prior to her disappearance. May mean nothing but aside from the updated 'okcupid' profile, is one of the most recent things related to this case

The whole reason I feel this is important is that we know by sleuthing other pages that she was "recently separated" (IE: from 'estranged' comment alluded by MSM, as well as breadcrumbs buried on FB (Taylor Swift song 'sounds about right' comment, "Blank Space" can refer to being single, etc), and her feeling of being 'cursed' by brakes on her vehicle not working correctly.

My opinion is that she is/was very stressed and may have decided to leave under the pressure of everything in her life hitting her all at once. This could also explain the lack of progress and information coming from the family and LE. People can take stress many different ways, but given her connections and frequent travel I can't envision Shannon being the type to not have good "street smarts" and avoid the usual pitfalls IE: hitchhiking, meeting with unknowns, etc. The latter being more likely, though, given the broad public profile of this girl, and recent unfortunate life events. I suppose this still could remain a possibility, but I also haven't seen any signs of 'stalker' sort of behaviour other than us WS'ers trying hard to find out where she might have gone.

Thanks for reading, all this just my opinion...

 

[lynck]

BTW: on the pinterest page that was posted earlier, the thumbnail contains a creation date

http:\/\/media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com\/upload\/310185561774114361_board_thumbnail_2012-11-08-20-02-56_53865_60.jpg

So it's not likely a recent photo, in case your google results still show December 24th.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

A very recent case in Calgary of a missing woman (Lisa Mitchell) whose remains were found two years later in her own home is especially unsettling.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/remain...n-missing-two-years-husband-charged-1.2136108

Is it possible that LE has a suspect but can't legally prove it at this time so they have to wait it out with surveilance to qualify a reason for a search? How long will this go on for before they either have evidence or lose evidence and lose the chance or find the chance to press charges? Of all the unsolved missing person's cases they are most likely unsolved murders.

A part of me thinks that LE needs to recover her body before laying charges. I question the efforts made by LE in the early hours of the investigation and that they may not have collected the evidence as efficiently as they did in the Liknes-O'brien Homicide and that they are not able to take the risk of another homicide charge without a body. If that makes sense.

The Liknes-O'brien case started very differently, and opened different legal avenues from the moment it was reported. The disappearance was reported within hours of the event, therefore creating issues for the perp(s) to hide or clean up evidence. As well, the occupants of the house were not there to potentially deny entrance to LE, therefore there were no probable cause issues. Lastly, something disturbing enough inside the house was reported to LE to initiate a full scale investigation and gain entrance to the house, regardless of the occupants' or owner's potential wishes.

Shannon wasn't reported missing until days after she went missing, leaving anyone the ability to clean up... possibly for days. If the husband was working, on vacation, or away for the house over a 24 hour period for any reason, where does the search for suspects begin? What if she was taken or hurt in a manner that doesn't leave DNA behind?

Although human, and very aware of the public relations issues they face, I doubt LE allows the Liknes-O'brien case plays much if any factor in the decision making in this case. If they had the evidence, body or not, I would like to think they would file charges *just like* they did in the Liknes-O'brien case.

 

[dennisfedak81]

Have there been any rewards offered for info leading to Shannon or regarding what happened. Can these be started on crowd funding like sites? If the family cannot afford it. It's a long shot, but I wonder if something of this nature would bring good information as to Shannon's location forward.

 

[Leischa]

Have there been any rewards offered for info leading to Shannon or regarding what happened. Can these be started on crowd funding like sites? If the family cannot afford it. It's a long shot, but I wonder if something of this nature would bring good information as to Shannon's location forward.

From what I saw on social media, there was no reward offered when they made the missing person poster. There wasn't any reward offered by the the Calgary Police Service either.

I don't know how things work (legally) here in Canada about funding for such purposes but I know that they do it in the States.

Since I haven't seen anyone from her family share anything about Shannon since mid-December, maybe they were informed that she was most probably hiding somewhere..? They can't just have given up like that after not even one whole month, right?

 

[debsy99]

In the very beginning of the likness-obrien case they released reports saying the trio were spotted in brooks etc when LE already knew what happened. I believe they allow that to happen while they solidified that the suspect was exactly who they thought he was. Though that case was able to progress very quickly. I feel the whole toronto/vancouver thing is the same thing. That's a really broad spectrum one end of canada to the other. And then again it's been silence every since. Even on the family members fb's.

 

[debsy99]

Also in Calgary anyways they strongly recommend not doing a reward until all leads and options have been exhausted because once you post a reward random people call in fake tips hoping to get the reward.