GUILTY Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #4 *Arrest*

[musicaljoke]

It is entirely possible that some of us are assuming that Shannon's body was buried in the yard when in fact it was not. According to this article, the hole in the yard is said to be a 'small hole' and from the pics (close-ups) that have been posted in this thread, it does look small.......so perhaps the spot where a weapon was buried, or items containing his DNA and her blood/etc.....and in fact she was inside the home? Wonder if they had a deep freeze. Curious just how basic the initial search was that they did on this home back when she first went missing. How deeply would they have searched under the circumstances back then? Say they had a deep freeze, would LE have been able to look inside it then or not? Or even if they had, say she was at the bottom of it and there were packets of frozen food on top of it, obviously I don't think they'd be able to start removing all the food to look beneath? She had to have been in/on the property all this time, nobody murders their spouse elsewhere then eventually brings body back to the home, particularly in the summer when it's hot. How could a body ever be concealed this long in a complex with 30+ other units and nobody smell something off?

The weather at the end of November 2014 got quite cold in Calgary, but up until the 25th, there were daytime temperatures that were mild enough to keep the frost from getting deep into the ground. If the ground was fairly sandy, and right along the side of a building it could still have been be possible to dig a hole at the end of November. It's also possible that there were garbage bins or other things piled up along the side of the house which would have delayed freeze up.

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climat...0430&timeframe=2&Year=2014&Month=11&cmdB1=Go#

 

[news.talk]

Whatever happened...whether he hit her..strangled her..etc...she obviously went unconscious and showed signs of serious injury. He intentionally did not call for help and hid the action causing Shannons death. He intentionally caused her death. This was further evidenced by the 7 month long Web of manipulation and lies. You do not follow this logic?

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That Still does not constitute First Degree Murder.

 

[otto]

That Still does not constitute First Degree Murder.

What we know today is that police have charged Josh Burgess with second degree murder. Police do not have autopsy results, crime scene analysis forensics, or computer search information, so that is all they can charge him with at this time. It's possible that the charges will remain as second degree murder, and they may be upgraded to first degree murder. We don't have enough information at this time.

However, it is conceivable that this was a premeditated murder, much like the murders of Michelle Young and Nancy Cooper in NC. If Shannon has multiple skull fractures and broken bones, that could well change the status from second degree to first degree. Hopefully we'll hear something about the autopsy results. That is, if she was viciously beaten to death, she was no threat to him, he should have restrained himself after incapacitating her, and he should have sought medical help for her. If instead, he continued to injure her until she was dead, I could see that being upgraded to first degree murder. Let's wait and see.

 

[lynck]

We have to wait for the autopsy report to know how she died. He may have hit her hard in the chest, and it killed her instantly. They may have gotten into a physical fight where the wrong move resulted in death. He may have been really angry with her when she was in Edmonton, and planned to murder her when she arrived home. If the latter is true, hopefully there is evidence on his computer that includes searches like "how to kill" (many 1st degree murderers leave that sort of evidence). There's probably evidence of internet searches on "how to get rid of a body".

Either way, we have to wait - perhaps until trial - to fully understand what happened.

He may have also been involved in BDSM gone bad. Nobody knows until the facts are presented or an admission is made.

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[news.talk]

What we know today is that police have charged Josh Burgess with second degree murder. Police do not have autopsy results, crime scene analysis forensics, or computer search information, so that is all they can charge him with at this time. It's possible that the charges will remain as second degree murder, and they may be upgraded to first degree murder. We don't have enough information at this time.

However, it is conceivable that this was a premeditated murder, much like the murders of Michelle Young and Nancy Cooper in NC. If Shannon has multiple skull fractures and broken bones, that could well change the status from second degree to first degree. Hopefully we'll hear something about the autopsy results. That is, if she was viciously beaten to death, she was no threat to him, he should have restrained himself after incapacitating her, and he should have sought medical help for her. If instead, he continued to injure her until she was dead, I could see that being upgraded to first degree murder. Let's wait and see.

I was responding to Dennis' assertion that it should be First Degree because he didn't call 911.

 

[otto]

He may have also been involved in BDSM gone bad. Nobody knows until the facts are presented or an admission is made.

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Where is that coming from? Shannon had just returned from an audition in Edmonton. She left Edmonton too late to connect with friends at the comedy club, so presumably she went straight home after arriving in Calgary. My guess is that she arrived home around 9:30PM. Why would she then involve herself in bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism with the man that she was divorcing?

We may not know the facts, but that's no reason to pull them out of a hat.

 

[dennisfedak81]

He may have also been involved in BDSM gone bad. Nobody knows until the facts are presented or an admission is made.

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This is all true and I will be following the trial with interest. But had it been some sort of an accident you would think his action would be to call for help. This guy is far from a doctor and is not qualified to pronounce someone deceased. Then he conceals a dead body in his home for 7 months. I think we can rule out the accident scenario. This whole thing stinks.

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[otto]

I was responding to Dennis' assertion that it should be First Degree because he didn't call 911.

That seems reasonable. If Josh severely injured Shannon, and then did nothing while she slowly died, that could constitute first degree murder. I think police need to understand what type of injuries she suffered in order to better understand what actually happened. It's quite possible that the manner of death will never be known - especially if she has decomposed over the last seven months. I believe that if there is evidence of multiple skull fractures and broken bones, this could be elevated to first degree murder ... which is what would happen if she was severely injured and Josh did nothing to help her.

 

[otto]

This is all true and I will be following the trial with interest. But had it been some sort of an accident you would think his action would be to call for help. This guy is far from a doctor and is not qualified to pronounce someone deceased. Then he conceals a dead body in his home for 7 months. I think we can rule out the accident scenario. This whole thing stinks.

Why would Shannon engage in BDSM with the man she was divorcing, rather than join friends at the comedy club? What would cause her to make that choice?

We know from Josh that Shannon was deceased at 12:30AM, because that's the time that he gave for her no longer being alive and well at home. At what time did she arrive in Calgary?

Does anyone have any information that can help pinpoint the time that she left Edmonton? Knowing that would certainly narrow down the time that she spent with her husband between arriving at home, and being murdered. What if we assume that the last facebook message was made by Josh ... does anyone recall the Calgary time that the comment was made? Was it 11PM?

 

[tarabull]

Lawyer for Calgary man Joshua Burgess, charged in slaying of wife Shannon Madill Burgess, mulls bail bid
July 6, 2015

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...The lawyer said Burgess is coping as best as he can behind bars.

“I spoke with him (Sunday) night at the remand centre,” Fay said.

“He’s obviously pretty overwhelmed by the whole thing.

“It’s still a very foreign process to him.”

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/07/0...of-wife-shannon-madill-burgess-mulls-bail-bid

 

[news.talk]

Why would Shannon engage in BDSM with the man she was divorcing, rather than join friends at the comedy club? What would cause her to make that choice?

We know from Josh that Shannon was deceased at 12:30AM, because that's the time that he gave for her no longer being alive and well at home. At what time did she arrive in Calgary?

Does anyone have any information that can help pinpoint the time that she left Edmonton? Knowing that would certainly narrow down the time that she spent with her husband between arriving at home, and being murdered. What if we assume that the last facebook message was made by Josh ... does anyone recall the Calgary time that the comment was made? Was it 11PM?

No Otto, we don't know from Josh that "She was deceased at 12:30 a.m." - We know that he told Police that he last saw her at that time, but given that the autopsy isn't complete and JB has never admitted that he killed her at that time, we cannot make those leaps.

 

[otto]

Lawyer for Calgary man Joshua Burgess, charged in slaying of wife Shannon Madill Burgess, mulls bail bid
July 6, 2015

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/07/0...of-wife-shannon-madill-burgess-mulls-bail-bid

Allan Fay is his lawyer ... seven years with the prosecutor's office, sixteen years in defence.

Allan Fay:“He’s obviously pretty overwhelmed by the whole thing ... It’s still a very foreign process to him.” (link)

I'm surprised a lawyer would comment on how "overwhelmed" his client is knowing that his client's wife lay dead in his client's home for the past seven months. I could understand if Allan Fay had said that his client was overwhelmed to discover that his wife was actually laying dead in the closet (for example) when his client believed that she simply went out for funzies, but no, Allan Fay wants the community to know that his client is simply overwhelmed by the "very foreign process" (presumably his arrest and incarceration). His client had seven months to prepare for the very foreign process, Shannon family were given neither a moment to say good bye, nor an opportunity to give Shannon dignity in death. Allan Fay should choose his words more carefully, in my humble opinion.

 

[otto]

No Otto, we don't know from Josh that "She was deceased at 12:30 a.m." - We know that he told Police that he last saw her at that time, but given that the autopsy isn't complete and JB has never admitted that he killed her at that time, we cannot make those leaps.

We know that Josh last saw Shannon alive at home at 12:30AM on November 27.
From that, I'm going to assume that after 12:30AM on November 27, Josh no longer saw Shannon alive at home ... meaning, by that time, she was deceased.
That's the time I'm going to work with based on the facts of the case, but please feel free to present other facts that suggest another time of death.

 

[dennisfedak81]

Allan Fay is his lawyer ... seven years with the prosecutor's office, sixteen years in defence.

Allan Fay:“He’s obviously pretty overwhelmed by the whole thing ... It’s still a very foreign process to him.” (link)

I'm surprised a lawyer would comment on how "overwhelmed" his client is knowing that his client's wife lay dead in his client's home for the past seven months. I could understand if Allan Fay had said that his client was overwhelmed to discover that his wife was actually laying dead in the closet (for example) when his client believed that she simply went out for funzies, but no, Allan Fay wants the community to know that his client is simply overwhelmed by the "very foreign process" (presumably his arrest and incarceration). His client had seven months to prepare for the very foreign process, Shannon family were given neither a moment to say good bye, nor an opportunity to give Shannon dignity in death. Allan Fay should choose his words more carefully, in my humble opinion.

I also found this statement in bad taste. We would hope this murderer would be overwhelmed! That's a good thing!

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[otto]

I also found this statement in bad taste. We would hope this murderer would be overwhelmed! That's a good thing!

I completely agree that the statement is in extremely poor taste. We sincerely don't care that his client is overwhelmed with arrest and incarceration after the body of his client's wife was found at his client's home - seven months after his client pretended that his wife went out for funzies. The client has not had a trial, but it's rather difficult to believe that there's any reasonable explanation for the circumstances.

 

[LoisLane]

We know that Josh last saw Shannon alive at home at 12:30AM on November 27.
From that, I'm going to assume that after 12:30AM on November 27, Josh no longer saw Shannon alive at home ... meaning, by that time, she was deceased.
That's the time I'm going to work with based on the facts of the case, but please feel free to present other facts that suggest another time of death.

Do we have confirmation that it was Josh Burgess who last saw Shannon at 12:30am on November 27th? I am wondering if it could have been a family member such as her parents or her siblings.

 

[turnanewleaf]

Just gonna leave this here...

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/JustJoshingYouEh?cf=profile

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/14...ofile-while-wife-shannon-burgess-was-missing/

 

[dennisfedak81]

I think his marketability may have just gone down!

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[tarabull]

Just gonna leave this here...

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/JustJoshingYouEh?cf=profile

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/14...ofile-while-wife-shannon-burgess-was-missing/

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... she was especially caught off guard by Josh’s behaviour when he showed up at the convenience store with a different girl while the search for Shannon was still in full swing.

“His wife was missing and had only been missing for two months,” she said. “It was weird.”

Two other 7-Eleven employees confirmed Josh, whom they instantly recognized in a photo, frequently visited the store with other women.

Who "see's a guy" who's wife is missing?!?!?!?!?! Apparently there is no shortage of those who do...

:banghead:

 

[turnanewleaf]

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Who "see's a guy" who's wife is missing?!?!?!?!?! Apparently there is no shortage of those who do...

:banghead:

I suspect women who don't watch the news, and I don't think his last name is in the OKC profile so how much info could they get from a goog search? I didn't really even notice seeing him much in the news when Shannon was missing.

ETA: Can't imagine he would volunteer the information either, but some women are into that :|