Canada- Sharif Rahman, owner of Curry House restaurant, assaulted by 3 men, suffered brain injury then died, Owen Sound, ON, 17 Aug. '23 *Arrests*

[Cedars]

I still don’t understand how a passport can be valid and have a fake name.

Another possibility is corruption in the passport office...I think most people involved in drug gangs, etc., have multiple identities/passports, available for purchase on the black market.

JMO

 

[Rikissa]

I could be wrong, but I’m imagining a passport that’s properly issued by the government, obtained with false information. Let’s say John Smith fills it out with all his details and Rob Jones’ photo attached. If the government approves and issues it, Rob Jones will be able to travel as John Smith and routine airport security/customs would be unlikely to catch it.

Another possibility is corruption in the passport office...I think most people involved in drug gangs, etc., have multiple identities/passports, available for purchase on the black market.

JMO

I looked up how to apply for a UK passport, and I have to say I'm surprised how easy it seems that a person can apply for, and get provided with a passport in the UK under a false name, there doesn't need to be any corruption in the passport office.

A UK passport is valid for 10 years, and a person can apply to renew it online, or with a paper passport application from the Post Office, and the person applying need to provide their own photos.

Apply online for a UK passport

You can apply for, update, renew or replace a passport online.

www.gov.uk

The UK does not have a central civilian registry and there are no identification requirements in public. A person can use a driving licence, or a birth certificate from the UK (issued within 12 months of birth) among other documentation to identify themselves, see:

List of acceptable ID documents

www.gov.uk

There seems to be plans for some kind of national identity card in the UK, but that's not until 2029!
As a UK driving licence is valid for 10 years, and it can also be renewed online, I would guess that once you have got a driving licence (or perhaps several with different names), it's easy to have the driving licences renewed with a new photo every 10 years, and that card is then accepted for getting passports, and other necessary documents.

Renew your driving licence

Apply online to renew your 10-year driving licence, full or provisional - cost, payment methods, documents and information you need

www.gov.uk

The UK passport do have a biometric chip, but there are usually only facial biometrics, and no fingerprints, on the chip, while the biometric chip in passports in the countries in the European Union includes both facial and fingerprint biometrics. It's the same with the National identity cards in the European Union, both facial and fingerprint biometrics on the chip. While a pass and a national identity card in most countries in the European union are valid for 10 years, in both Sweden and Finland they are only valid for 10 years. I had to renew my Swedish passport in January 2025, and I had to do that at a police station, and the photo had to be taken there, and on the biometric chip there's both facial and fingerprint information, and I had to provide a valid identity card.

So I have to say that I find the way the UK passport application system works is less than secure when it comes to proving that the person whose photo is on the passport really is the person they claim to be, especially as there is no fingerprints on the chip.

 

[musicaljoke]

I looked up how to apply for a UK passport, and I have to say I'm surprised how easy it seems that a person can apply for, and get provided with a passport in the UK under a false name, there doesn't need to be any corruption in the passport office.

A UK passport is valid for 10 years, and a person can apply to renew it online, or with a paper passport application from the Post Office, and the person applying need to provide their own photos.

Apply online for a UK passport

You can apply for, update, renew or replace a passport online.

www.gov.uk

The UK does not have a central civilian registry and there are no identification requirements in public. A person can use a driving licence, or a birth certificate from the UK (issued within 12 months of birth) among other documentation to identify themselves, see:

List of acceptable ID documents

www.gov.uk

There seems to be plans for some kind of national identity card in the UK, but that's not until 2029!
As a UK driving licence is valid for 10 years, and it can also be renewed online, I would guess that once you have got a driving licence (or perhaps several with different names), it's easy to have the driving licences renewed with a new photo every 10 years, and that card is then accepted for getting passports, and other necessary documents.

Renew your driving licence

Apply online to renew your 10-year driving licence, full or provisional - cost, payment methods, documents and information you need

www.gov.uk

The UK passport do have a biometric chip, but there are usually only facial biometrics, and no fingerprints, on the chip, while the biometric chip in passports in the countries in the European Union includes both facial and fingerprint biometrics. It's the same with the National identity cards in the European Union, both facial and fingerprint biometrics on the chip. While a pass and a national identity card in most countries in the European union are valid for 10 years, in both Sweden and Finland they are only valid for 10 years. I had to renew my Swedish passport in January 2025, and I had to do that at a police station, and the photo had to be taken there, and on the biometric chip there's both facial and fingerprint information, and I had to provide a valid identity card.

So I have to say that I find the way the UK passport application system works is less than secure when it comes to proving that the person whose photo is on the passport really is the person they claim to be, especially as there is no fingerprints on the chip.

You should make a copy of your letter and send it to Immigration or whatever gov't office manages passports in the UK. If these three degenerate thugs managed to get proper passports then there are many more out there as well.

 

[Rikissa]

You should make a copy of your letter and send it to Immigration or whatever gov't office manages passports in the UK. If these three degenerate thugs managed to get proper passports then there are many more out there as well.

Those who should complain about that are those who are citizens of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, not I. It's HM Passport Office which manages applications, and Immigration has nothing to with that. As for them being "Irish", are they from Northern Ireland, or originally from the Republic of Ireland, but living in the UK?

 

[seasideForest]

As for them being "Irish", are they from Northern Ireland, or originally from the Republic of Ireland, but living in the UK?

I can't find anywhere off-hand that refers to them as "Irish" except those unsubstantiated rumours that they were "Irish Travellers" due to them doing their scam paving jobs, because apparently "that's what Irish Travellers do". Let us not go down that rabbit hole again or sillybilly will be rather annoyed about the thread clean-up.

Now the press is referring to them as Scottish because that's where they fled to and so the extradition went through the Scottish courts. I presume they originate from the UK rather than the Republic of Ireland. MOO
But I don't think they're originally Scottish, I think English or Northern Irish, just the vibes I got. I could be wrong of course.

 

[otto]

I can't find anywhere off-hand that refers to them as "Irish" except those unsubstantiated rumours that they were "Irish Travellers" due to them doing their scam paving jobs, because apparently "that's what Irish Travellers do". Let us not go down that rabbit hole again or sillybilly will be rather annoyed about the thread clean-up.

Now the press is referring to them as Scottish because that's where they fled to and so the extradition went through the Scottish courts. I presume they originate from the UK rather than the Republic of Ireland. MOO
But I don't think they're originally Scottish, I think English or Northern Irish, just the vibes I got. I could be wrong of course.

They are being extradited from Scotland, but the FBI describes them as the Irish traveller con fraud group.

"As an extradition hearing for the accused in the August 2023 death of a southwestern Ontario restaurateur is set to begin in Scotland.
...

"They're doing this all over continental Europe. They've done it in Australia, they're doing both in Canada and the U.S. We've detailed stories of them turning up in places such as an island off of Iceland," said Eamon Dillon, a journalist in Dublin, Ireland, with the Crime World podcast who has covered the groups for more than 25 years.

"The FBI describe them as the Irish traveller con fraud group."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/rahman-restaurant-killing-accused-photos-9.6933027

 

[seasideForest]

They are being extradited from Scotland, but the FBI describes them as the Irish traveller con fraud group.

"As an extradition hearing for the accused in the August 2023 death of a southwestern Ontario restaurateur is set to begin in Scotland.
...

"They're doing this all over continental Europe. They've done it in Australia, they're doing both in Canada and the U.S. We've detailed stories of them turning up in places such as an island off of Iceland," said Eamon Dillon, a journalist in Dublin, Ireland, with the Crime World podcast who has covered the groups for more than 25 years.

"The FBI describe them as the Irish traveller con fraud group."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/rahman-restaurant-killing-accused-photos-9.6933027

In the cbc article you quote, they're referred to as being from the "UK traveller community" in one line. So I don't think that we can definitely say they were Irish. Just that they were from somewhere on that set of islands west of the European mainland ;-)

As to "doing this all over continental Europe" that refers to a number of those "tight-knit" traveller clans and not purely these three members of the Evans' family. Again, according to the linked CBC article.

Is the FBI likely to get the designation correct? My impression when I lived in North America was that people got English, British, Irish, Northern Irish all mixed up.

Maybe an answer will emerge during the court case. I don't think it's super important at this stage. JMO

MOO

 

[otto]

Most articles refer to the suspects as Irish.

"Three men accused said to be part of Irish Traveller community in England
...

The filings, along with testimony during the hearing, reveal that the men are members of an Irish Traveller community located near Manchester, England, and had been in Owen Sound — along with at least two other family members — for a number of days before the alleged attack. Robert Evans Sr. was reportedly working in the area, despite being in Canada on a visitor visa.

Irish Travellers are a traditionally nomadic ethnic minority group."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sharif-rahman-death-new-details-1.7541287

 

[musicaljoke]

Those who should complain about that are those who are citizens of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, not I. It's HM Passport Office which manages applications, and Immigration has nothing to with that. As for them being "Irish", are they from Northern Ireland, or originally from the Republic of Ireland, but living in the UK?

Passports are generally used as travel documents for those leaving the county, so citizens of the UK and Northern Ireland might not have a vested interest in being sure that passports for their own people are accurate. When those passports are used to issue permits that allow murderers into Canada, then the Canadian people most certainly can complain because it's not possible to do proper background checks,

 

[Cedars]

Those who should complain about that are those who are citizens of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, not I.

Pretty sure Cdn police will have informed the British about those passports.

JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

Pretty sure Cdn police will have informed the British about those passports.

JMO

My comment was more about protesting the ease with which people can acquire passports that are not legit.