CANADA - shooter in RCMP vehicle & uniform, 22 killed (plus perp), Portapique, NS, 18 April 2020 #2

[Vern]

I think he slept somewhere, but where would he feel safe? I've read plenty of accounts of murderers sleeping in the middle of a crime, being exhausted by the adrenaline, alcohol, maybe had been sleepless on previous nights. Then, the next morning, decided what to do next. We know what decision he came to.

IMO, we know he went through Debert at some point, but I'm convinced he headed through to Wentworth and holed up there for the night, getting some sleep. I'm basing my thoughts on it also being very rural (googlemaps) and is where the first 'Sunday' victims and housefire were reported in the morning. Unsure if he knew any of the victims there but that point will be interesting to know when the story comes out. At that point, no one knew who the shooter was, so did he stay with someone overnight to rest up? Did they then end up as victims in the morning?

Also, Wentworth is the opposite direction from Portapique than Halifax (where his other home and business are) is. Perhaps he headed to the ruralness that is Wentworth (with plenty of side roads etc on which to park/hide )for a rest. Wentworth, before the TCH diverted traffic through Cobequid, used to see a lot of traffic. Fall is beautiful there and there's a ski hill in winter months, but other than that, it doesn't see much excitement these days.

Perhaps he headed that way to avoid being seen … after all he knew his girlfriend survived; he had just been unable to hunt her down in the woods. BUT, he didn't know she hid in the woods all night until 0630hrs when the sun came up and it was safe. He had no idea that he wouldn't be identified as the suspect until Sunday morning. He probably thought she'd identify him to LE as soon as they arrived to the original scene Saturday night and so beat it in the opposite direction of where they would suspect he'd head (Halifax) upon learning who he was.

I think it went Portapique to Wentworth Saturday night. Sunday sees Wentworth victims killed and then his travel towards Halifax using Hwy 4 and the Debert Cut-off (avoiding having to use the TCH) through to Lower Onslow to Truro. Once he gets to Truro, he uses Highway 2 running parallel to the TCH through Stewiacke and onwards to Schubenacadie where he murders Constable Stevenson and Ms. Goulet - owner of the vehicle he steals. From there, stops in Milford in front of the Smoke Shop to change his shirt/look. Carries on from there to Enfield where his rampage ends at the Gas Station.

I don't know how to map this out on googlemaps.

 

[jaxb]

He was likely already on Orchard Beach Rd, perhaps where he had stored the vehicle at his other property, when LE arrived to investigate the first fires on Portapique Beach Rd. I think the EMS were staging at #2 hwy (Gloosclap Trail) and Portapique Beach Rd. If he drove up Orchard Beach Rd and drove across the field before Orchard Beach Rd joins Portapique Beach Road he could evade LE by taking Brown Loop which appears to be a dirt road that leads up to #2, away from the staging area. He could continue on #2 to Station Rd, and go left. It changes into Carrobie Rd which would take him to #4, then north to Wentworth. Back road and out of sight. He may have headed up there and found a quiet place to hunker down until daybreak. Just a thought.

It's an excellent thought and most likely what happened. A victim who survived and was amongst the first to encounter him said he was shot while driving. GW drove past and opened fire.

 

[LadyL]

Well, if our government thought it was SO important to send us an Emergency Alert (and you KNOW how loud they are) at midnight, not once, but twice, to warn us to stay at home amid the Covid 19 pandemic (like where exactly did they think we would be, seeing we were told to shelter in place and it was midnight), I don’t understand how the horrific events of that night didn’t meet the criteria of an “imminent threat to life.” Common sense should have told “someone” they needed to warn the good people of NS. The Covid 19 alert was entirely unnecessary as the danger was in no way “imminent” at midnight, on that particular night. I get that it had never been used in the instance of a mass shooter before, but we don’t often have a mass murderer on the loose that’s burning down everything in his path. I do truly believe it may have saved a few lives. We’ve never had a pandemic here either and they made sure we got that “alert” at MIDNIGHT.

interesting ... didn't know people got a Covid alert
neither me or my husband got one

 

[Maverick47]

Excellent point, I’m very curious about too. How did the tactical officer recognize the suspect in his “civilian disguise”. That was a very sudden, well done ending.

In PC today, Supt. Darren Campbell said that GW was seen trying to draw his weapon - for the 1st time, he met his match in the RCMP Emergency Response Team.

 

[MistyWaters]

He would have had no reason to drive through a field if police were not yet on scene. I'm curious to know the details for this. Not that it necessarily matters at this point- he obviously felt the need to do what he wanted, when he wanted.

Police arrived on the scene appx 10:30pm that Saturday night. They learned of the sighting of the cruiser driving through the field Sunday morning, after the girlfriend came forward. At the time, the sighter probably thought the cruiser was involved in the search for the suspect.

This is my recollect from one of the links I posted earlier, G&M the timeline iirc.

 

[jaxb]

IMO, we know he went through Debert at some point, but I'm convinced he headed through to Wentworth and holed up there for the night, getting some sleep. I'm basing my thoughts on it also being very rural (googlemaps) and is where the first 'Sunday' victims and housefire were reported in the morning. Unsure if he knew any of the victims there but that point will be interesting to know when the story comes out. At that point, no one knew who the shooter was, so did he stay with someone overnight to rest up? Did they then end up as victims in the morning?

Also, Wentworth is the opposite direction from Portapique than Halifax (where his other home and business are) is. Perhaps he headed to the ruralness that is Wentworth (with plenty of side roads etc on which to park/hide )for a rest. Wentworth, before the TCH diverted traffic through Cobequid, used to see a lot of traffic. Fall is beautiful there and there's a ski hill in winter months, but other than that, it doesn't see much excitement these days.

Perhaps he headed that way to avoid being seen … after all he knew his girlfriend survived; he had just been unable to hint her down in the woods. BUT, he didn't know she hid in the woods all night until 0630hrs when the sun came up and it was safe. He had no idea that he wouldn't be identified as the suspect until Sunday morning. He probably thought she'd identify him to LE as soon as they arrived to the original scene Saturday night and so beat it in the opposite direction of where they would suspect he'd head (Halifax) upon learning who he was.

I think it went Portapique to Wentworth Saturday night. Sunday sees Wentworth victims and then his travel towards Halifax using Hwy 4 and the Debert Cut-off (avoiding having to use the TCH) through to Lower Onslow to Truro. Once he gets to Truro, he uses Highway 2 running parallel to the TCH through Stewiacke and onwards to Schubenacadie where he murders Constable Stevenson and Ms. Goulet - owner of the vehicle he steals. From there, stops in Milford in front of the Smoke Shop to change his shirt/look. Carries on from there to Enfield where his rampage ends at the Irving Big Stop.

It has been confirmed that he knew Gina personally. I'm interested in how that connection and the one with Shawn (Wentworth couple) ties into this.

I did think that maybe at some point, he went home to his business to possibly clear evidence and figure out his next move. But I'm not sure about that anymore as he was probably on edge knowing his ex was alive.

And yes, Wentworth is a very quiet and rural area. I lived in the Onslow area for a few years and everywhere after Truro are small towns.

 

[LadyL]

Excellent point, I’m very curious about too. How did the tactical officer recognize the suspect in his “civilian disguise”. That was a very sudden, well done ending.

small town ... rural area ... may already have known who the suspect was

 

[Vern]

Excellent point, I’m very curious about too. How did the tactical officer recognize the suspect in his “civilian disguise”. That was a very sudden, well done ending.

IMO, it's not very far from Schubenacadie to the gas station in Enfield. We know there were witnesses to the Schubie aftermath. It's far enough away that it was ample time for a police broadcast to occur with a description of the car he stole at that scene so RCMP would have been aware of him being in the general area, already had his photo from that morning. Combined with the tidbit of car colour and type, and eyes wide open on the alert for him, the RCMP did well. I think, it's also far enough away, that they were scanning the faces of any persons in vehicles of that colour they saw by the time of the final encounter.

 

[Vern]

It has been confirmed that he knew Gina personally. I'm interested in how that connection and the one with Shawn (Wentworth couple) ties into this.

I did think that maybe at some point, he went home to his business to possibly clear evidence and figure out his next move. But I'm not sure about that anymore as he was probably on edge knowing his ex was alive.

And yes, Wentworth is a very quiet and rural area. I lived in the Onslow area for a few years and everywhere after Truro are small towns.

BBM.

So, I missed that confirmation. Perhaps, IMO, he headed their way with a story "Girlfriend and I had a fight so I need a place to crash for the night" … or something like that. They then become his first victims on Sunday. Perhaps, IMO, only 'picked' because they lived in the opposite direction to which he'd be suspected to be travelling.

 

[Maverick47]

This CTV news report suggests, disturbingly, that GW used his fake RCMP vehicle & uniform to pull over 2 VON nurses and then murdered them. There seems to be mounting evidence of his hatred of women:
Watch CTV News Atlantic | Local News Video | Top Headlines

 

[MistyWaters]

IMO, it's not very far from Schubenacadie to the gas station in Enfield. We know there were witnesses to the Schubie aftermath. It's far enough away that it was ample time for a police broadcast to occur with a description of the car he stole at that scene so RCMP would have been aware of him being in the general area, already had his photo from that morning. Combined with the tidbit of car colour and type, and eyes wide open on the alert for him, the RCMP did well. I think, it's also far enough away, that they were scanning the faces of any persons in vehicles of that colour they saw by the time of the final encounter.

Yes you could be right, no details on the “encounter”. GWs actions may have given himself away as well. And did he have cuts, scratches and bruises on his face I wonder... the head on collision, victims defending themselves? He can’t have been in very good shape even with a change of clothes.

ETA In one of these reports iirc it mentioned the RCMP knew GWs identity that Sat night but they didn’t know about the cruiser and uniform until the girlfriend was interviewed.

“While he was at one of the gas pumps, one of our tactical officers came to the gas station to refuel their vehicle,” Supt. Campbell said. “There was an encounter, and the gunman was shot and killed by police.”..”
Domestic assault may have preceded Nova Scotia mass shooting, RCMP say

 

[Vern]

Yes you could be right, no details on the “encounter”.

“While he was at one of the gas pumps, one of our tactical officers came to the gas station to refuel their vehicle,” Supt. Campbell said. “There was an encounter, and the gunman was shot and killed by police.”..”
Domestic assault may have preceded Nova Scotia mass shooting, RCMP say

Indeed; that's one of the things that has me to believe that the new vehicle colour and description had already been broadcast by the time the tac team pulled into the station to refuel. I think the car drew their attention first, then, even without knowing he had changed his clothing, they recognized that evil face.

 

[susiQ]

Police arrived on the scene appx 10:30pm that Saturday night. They learned of the sighting of the cruiser driving through the field Sunday morning, after the girlfriend came forward. At the time, the sighter probably thought the cruiser was involved in the search for the suspect.

This is my recollect from one of the links I posted earlier, G&M the timeline iirc.

Not sure we’ve got the whole picture on the car driving through the field. Since GW kept the mock up cruiser at his property on Orchard Beach Rd, how did he get from his house over there? Did his gf see him driving his regular vehicle through the field over to Orchard Beach Rd from the woods where she was hiding or did someone else see him driving the cruiser through another field to get to #2? Also, the man that was shot and reported to LE that the man who shot him was driving a police cruiser, was he shot on Portapique Beach Rd or Orchard Beach Rd? I’m not clear on where that happened.

 

[Marp]

IMO, we know he went through Debert at some point, but I'm convinced he headed through to Wentworth and holed up there for the night, getting some sleep. I'm basing my thoughts on it also being very rural (googlemaps) and is where the first 'Sunday' victims and housefire were reported in the morning. Unsure if he knew any of the victims there but that point will be interesting to know when the story comes out. At that point, no one knew who the shooter was, so did he stay with someone overnight to rest up? Did they then end up as victims in the morning?

Also, Wentworth is the opposite direction from Portapique than Halifax (where his other home and business are) is. Perhaps he headed to the ruralness that is Wentworth (with plenty of side roads etc on which to park/hide )for a rest. Wentworth, before the TCH diverted traffic through Cobequid, used to see a lot of traffic. Fall is beautiful there and there's a ski hill in winter months, but other than that, it doesn't see much excitement these days.

Perhaps he headed that way to avoid being seen … after all he knew his girlfriend survived; he had just been unable to hunt her down in the woods. BUT, he didn't know she hid in the woods all night until 0630hrs when the sun came up and it was safe. He had no idea that he wouldn't be identified as the suspect until Sunday morning. He probably thought she'd identify him to LE as soon as they arrived to the original scene Saturday night and so beat it in the opposite direction of where they would suspect he'd head (Halifax) upon learning who he was.

I think it went Portapique to Wentworth Saturday night. Sunday sees Wentworth victims killed and then his travel towards Halifax using Hwy 4 and the Debert Cut-off (avoiding having to use the TCH) through to Lower Onslow to Truro. Once he gets to Truro, he uses Highway 2 running parallel to the TCH through Stewiacke and onwards to Schubenacadie where he murders Constable Stevenson and Ms. Goulet - owner of the vehicle he steals. From there, stops in Milford in front of the Smoke Shop to change his shirt/look. Carries on from there to Enfield where his rampage ends at the Gas Station.

I don't know how to map this out on googlemaps.

Just in case you missed the RCMP press conference today here’s the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE-wyzNBFUM

The sequence of events was laid out clearly but the Overnight hours are still not accounted for.

If by smoke shop you meant the trading post in Milford, he was still driving the fake RCMP vehicle there. My understanding is that he diiched his police uniform at Ms. Goulet’s since he was in civilian vehicle.

Hope the video helps.

 

[Just4TB]

Imagine having yourself, your wife and your daughter murdered by some guy whose garage you hung out in...

At first read, I thought, "I don't think I would ever be hanging with a dude like him".

Then, after further thought, I came to the sad realization - easy to say this now, with what we now know. However, the various glimpses from media point to GW being a narcissistic control freak, there are many many people who have varying degrees of narcissistic control tendencies, and we all have dealt with this type in the past, and we all will in the future.

These warning signs could not possibly foreshadow the extreme depths of his depravity or intensity of GW's psychopathy. His victims, including the GF, undoubtedly knew there were a few issues, but they were likely all completely blindsided once the hinges totally came off the door.

We should all be a bit more cautious with people who are control freaks, while low probability, it is a possible indicator of a deeper psychopathic danger.

 

[otto]

Not sure we’ve got the whole picture on the car driving through the field. Since GW kept the mock up cruiser at his property on Orchard Beach Rd, how did he get from his house over there? Did his gf see him driving his regular vehicle through the field over to Orchard Beach Rd from the woods where she was hiding or did someone else see him driving the cruiser through another field to get to #2? Also, the man that was shot and reported to LE that the man who shot him was driving a police cruiser, was he shot on Portapique Beach Rd or Orchard Beach Rd? I’m not clear on where that happened.

I'm very curious how he evaded the police blockade that descended on his (the shooter) neighbourhood. Did he drive out under their noses after shooting and torching people and property? There's really no other explanation for how police were on the scene within 12 minutes (10:38OPM) and he was shooting and torching the following morning. Apparently he was in Wentworth at 6:30AM, the couple was dead at 8AM. Where were RCMP during those 90 minutes? Did they fail to call for help?

 

[susiQ]

This CTV news report suggests, disturbingly, that GW used his fake RCMP vehicle & uniform to pull over 2 VON nurses and then murdered them. There seems to be mounting evidence of his hatred of women:
Watch CTV News Atlantic | Local News Video | Top Headlines

I’m inclined to think he hated everyone equally

 

[Kent]

BBM.

So, I missed that confirmation. Perhaps, IMO, he headed their way with a story "Girlfriend and I had a fight so I need a place to crash for the night" … or something like that. They then become his first victims on Sunday. Perhaps, IMO, only 'picked' because they lived in the opposite direction to which he'd be suspected to be travelling.

I've been wondering whether anyone heard from Sean McLeod or Alanna Jenkins on Sunday morning, but haven't seen anything definitive one way or the other. It occurred to me that he may have arrived there in the middle of the night and killed them, then stayed in their home until burning it down in the morning. If Sean McLeod was a "hunting buddy", he may have even gone there to get additional guns and/or ammunition.

 

[Maverick47]

At first read, I thought, "I don't think I would ever be hanging with a dude like him".

Then, after further thought, I came to the sad realization - easy to say this now, with what we now know. However, the various glimpses from media point to GW being a narcissistic control freak, there are many many people who have varying degrees of narcissistic control tendencies, and we all have dealt with this type in the past, and we all will in the future.

These warning signs could not possibly foreshadow the extreme depths of his depravity or intensity of GW's psychopathy. His victims, including the GF, undoubtedly knew there were a few issues, but they were likely all completely blindsided once the hinges totally came off the door.

We should all be a bit more cautious with people who are control freaks, while low probability, it is a possible indicator of a deeper psychopathic danger.

The more information that comes out, the more it seems to me that it went further than being a narcissistic control freak, that in fact a deep misogyny drove GW. MSM interviews with his former neighbours and friends all point to the fact that it was his troubled relationship with his girlfriend that raised a red flag for them. Yet no one acted on this. I believe that we as a society need to address this minimization of those men who exhibit "power over" behaviour with women.

 

[susiQ]

At first read, I thought, "I don't think I would ever be hanging with a dude like him".

Then, after further thought, I came to the sad realization - easy to say this now, with what we now know. However, the various glimpses from media point to GW being a narcissistic control freak, there are many many people who have varying degrees of narcissistic control tendencies, and we all have dealt with this type in the past, and we all will in the future.

These warning signs could not possibly foreshadow the extreme depths of his depravity or intensity of GW's psychopathy. His victims, including the GF, undoubtedly knew there were a few issues, but they were likely all completely blindsided once the hinges totally came off the door.

We should all be a bit more cautious with people who are control freaks, while low probability, it is a possible indicator of a deeper psychopathic danger.

A control freak with really serious anger issues. It seems to have been a problem for some time.