Canada - Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #5 **ARREST**

[Sillybilly]

Also she wants someone with the initials RA to call her. Hmmmmm

LOL ... alphabet soup here. NO, it was E who used to work at Millard Air.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Scary, sounds very dissociative, an indicator that he can lie without any indication to the outside world what he's really capable of.

I am so confused right now, part of me thinks DM is being framed, but then I also feel suspicious that he is an expert liar and is fooling those of us who give people benefit of the doubt, at least until all of the evidence is revealed.

But if LE has reported that evidence shows DM purchased the liverstock incinerator found recently on his property back in July 2012 (from a company in Manitoba for $7000), just how framed could he be? He's not a farmer, he has no livestock so there's simply no justifiable reason that he would have purchased it, unless for nefarious reasons....IMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

It fits. In that case what is there left for us to do. LE said they wanted tips on the other suspects, if they know...I guess we are done. Also I believe the grid search today was to look for a murder weapon...but that is just a guess.

We are somewhat hampered Purr because, due to the integrity of this board, we are not allowed to sleuth on folks who aren't named by LE as POIs or suspects, etc.

It doesn't mean we can't do our own sleuthing behind the scenes, and if we have significant finds, send them in as tips. Lots of stuff goes on behind the scenes in many cases.

 

[ExiledRed]

But if LE has reported that evidence shows DM purchased the liverstock incinerator found recently on his property back in July 12 (from a company in Manitoba for $7000), just how framed could he be? He's not a farmer, he has no livestock so there's simply no justifiable reason that he would have purchased it, unless for nefarious reasons....IMO.

Yes, the fact that the incinerator was purchased by DM in advance of the killing is certainly a nail in the coffin of the framed theory.

Its just not the final nail.

There could be logical reason he purchased it, I just cant think of one.

The fact that he bought it nearly a year ago is a bit chilling.

 

[Carli]

Try to approach this impartially. Imagine if you were charged with defending DM, what would be the first thing you wanted to know? what questions would you ask?

Was DM identified by and confirmed as being on the property by Tim's wife?
Who purchased the burner phone? where is it? who were the other calls made to?
Who is the person who allegedly gave these two suspicious individuals a test drive in Etobicoke? Why did he wait for the police to contact him?
Who purchased or rented the incinerator? when was it rented or purchased? for what?
Who stands to benefit from DM being sent to prison for life?
Did the person who saw the trailer being dropped off at the mother's house actually see DM or did he just assume it was him?

These questions need to be answered, no conclusions should be drawn until they are.

Could I add - Is there anything else that's interesting about the neighbor with the information about the truck in DM's mother's driveway?

(My bold in ExiledRed's provocative post above. The old adage, "Follow the money" is the case here, I'm willing to bet on that.)

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

I find it interesting, also, that he purchased the livestock incinerator in MB and not ON. Perhaps because making such a purchase in ON would raise eyebrows due to recognition of his name/get people to talking...whereas he may not have been known in MB.

 

[wayout66]

But if LE has reported that evidence shows DM purchased the liverstock incinerator found recently on his property back in July 12 (from a company in Manitoba for $7000), just how framed could he be? He's not a farmer, he has no livestock so there's simply no justifiable reason that he would have purchased it, unless for nefarious reasons....IMO.

I imagine that it can also be used for errant wildlife. Raccoons, opossums, skunks...and to purchase it way back in July of last year only to have something happen now seems a bit of a reach for me. Like I said, "benefit of the doubt" until we have a clearer picture. Although as I type this I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. In any event, I hope the murderers rot in he//

 

[Sillybilly]

A lawyer looking to gain his own notoriety through this case. As a criminal, it may be good advice. But facing a 1st degree murder charge I would start talking, to make things possibly easier on myself in the long run. Maybe try to cut a deal. His lawyer is just after the notoriety

I've worked with lawyers (not directly with Criminal defence, but in the same offices) in Ontario. One of our criminal defence lawyers B was defending a guy on pedophile charges where it was pretty apparent to everyone else in the office that the guy was guilty as sin. One day when B arrived at the office, I asked him "how can you defend this #$% knowing all that we know". His absolute 100% sincere answer was "Because everyone deserves a defence". That same criminal defence lawyer is now a well-respected provincial judge in Ontario ... and a good and decent human being.

Another lawyer (now deceased) I am familiar with in DM's neck of the woods was on ongoing retainer with organized crime.

Not all red-headed boys are bad ... but some are

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

I imagine that it can also be used for errant wildlife. Raccoons, opossums, skunks...and to purchase it way back in July of last year only to have something happen now seems a bit of a reach for me. Like I said, "benefit of the doubt" until we have a clearer picture. Although as I type this I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. In any event, I hope the murders rot in he//

Don't you think that's a bit extreme, to spend $7000 on a large livestock incinerator just to get rid of some common pests? And why would he have cared, it doesn't sound like he ever really spent time on this farm; it's not like he lived there or was performing any kind of farming operation. Plus to me it would seem rather ironic, considering his parents' alleged concern for wildlife/animals that their son would go to such extremes to get rid of pests. How many raccoons can there be if it's essentially an unoccupied farm and you'd think no sources of food around? Don't 'coons usually go where there are sources of food?

I also wonder if there were unusual goings-on at the farm in general (trucks coming and going, etc) that made the neighbors curious about just why a young man would purchase such a farm but not actually use it for farming operations. Perhaps that's part of why the one neighbor was snooping around and saw and took a pic of the incinerator.

 

[wayout66]

Don't you think that's a bit extreme, to spend $7000 on a large livestock incinerator just to get rid of some common pests? And why would he have cared, it doesn't sound like he ever really spent time on this farm; it's not like he lived there or was performing any kind of farming operation. Plus to me it would seem rather ironic, considering his parents' alleged concern for wildlife/animals that their son would go to such extremes to get rid of pests. How many raccoons can there be if it's essentially an unoccupied farm and you'd think no sources of food around? Don't 'coons usually go where there are sources of food?

I also wonder if there were unusual goings-on at the farm in general (trucks coming and going, etc) that made the neighbors curious about just why a young man would purchase such a farm but not actually use it for farming operations. Perhaps that's part of why the one neighbor was snooping around and saw and took a pic of the incinerator.

Okay, I admit, I was reaching. Still, so long to use it for such a deed?

I've worked with lawyers (not directly with Criminal defence, but in the same offices) in Ontario. One of our criminal defence lawyers B was defending a guy on pedophile charges where it was pretty apparent to everyone else in the office that the guy was guilty as sin. One day when B arrived at the office, I asked him "how can you defend this #$% knowing all that we know". His absolute 100% sincere answer was "Because everyone deserves a defence". That same criminal defence lawyer is now a well-respected provincial judge in Ontario ... and a good and decent human being.

Another lawyer (now deceased) I am familiar with in DM's neck of the woods was on ongoing retainer with organized crime.

Not all red-headed boys are bad ... but some are

Agreed. None of us are without some sin, and I personally am not in the position to judge anyone based on what they might have or might not have done based on my own lack of innocence in life. Of course, I haven't killed anyone, but have known mentally ill people in my life well enough to know that we can't all maintain our composure given certain circumstances and weaknesses.

Gawd, I hope I never get called for Jury Duty, I just know I'd be that PITA that keeps waffling :facepalm:

 

[Sillybilly]

I just tried to mimick pointing a gun at my eye. You're right, it's very awkward. Even if I moved my arm further from my head. Plus, I'd be afraid I might miss! I know it's a longshot (no pun intended) to miss, but just the idea would scare me. It's much easier (and accurate I think) to aim towards the centre of your head/face, if you're doing it yourself. Creepy and I don't plan on ever making that motion again. Very creepy of what it could mean.

Come to think of it, does anyone else think that if WM decided to take his own life, he'd just wander out to the hangar one fine day, go up above the clouds and take himself out from a place he loved to be?

 

[newone]

http://aldf.org/article.php?id=2237

seems to me that there were illegal slaughterhouse operations in Vaughan some years back and this article is recent

 

[wayout66]

http://aldf.org/article.php?id=2237

seems to me that there were illegal slaughterhouse operations in Vaughan some years back and this article is recent

OMG, this fits the mind of a killer [JMO] - practicing on animals before moving onto humans. That would explain the "gap" from the purchase in July 2012 to now. LE is probably checking for previous remnant evidence.

I just got chills up my spine

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Could I add - Is there anything else that's interesting about the neighbor with the information about the truck in DM's mother's driveway?

(My bold in ExiledRed's provocative post above. The old adage, "Follow the money" is the case here, I'm willing to bet on that.)

Did the neighbor who reported saw the trailer being parked in the driveway of DM's Mom's house ever indicate what kind/color of vehicle that was connected to the trailer? Given that it's an affluent neighborhood and not a usual occurrence for someone to be parking an auto trailer in someone's driveway, you'd think that neighbor or one of the other neighbors would have heard it all taking place, looked out and saw the truck towing the trailer.

As well, given that the trailer was parked so unbelievable close to the big garage door one would think that someone was guiding the driver of the truck as he backed the trailer in........particularly if it was dark out at that time. And even experienced drivers (those with experience backing a long auto trailer connected to a truck), I would think, are not going to get it parked just right on the first attempt; I would think they might have to make a few attempts to get the trailer in the right spot and close enough to big garage door but not hitting garage door.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I've not read the thread for a couple of days, so may be repeating other people here.

But, what if "they" didn't ever plan to kill Tim.... but that he over-heard something in the truck and they had to silence him. Perhaps they took a phone call, or picked up someone on the way who said something relating to other dodgy business and they needed to silence the witness? Is that possible?

Because I still can't get my head round a rich kid killing someone in cold-blood just to steal a truck.

 

[wayout66]

Did the neighbor who reported saw the trailer being parked in the driveway of DM's Mom's house ever indicate what kind/color of vehicle that was connected to the trailer? Given that it's an affluent neighborhood and not a usual occurrence for someone to be parking an auto trailer in someone's driveway, you'd think that neighbor or one of the other neighbors would have heard it all taking place, looked out and saw the truck towing the trailer.

As well, given that the trailer was parked so unbelievable close to the big garage door one would think that someone was guiding the driver of the truck as he backed the trailer in........particularly if it was dark out at that time. And even experienced drivers (those with experience backing a long auto trailer connected to a truck), I would think, are not going to get it parked just right on the first attempt; I would think they might have to make a few attempts to get the trailer in the right spot and close enough to big garage door but not hitting garage door.

Clue here if they did it without a spotter. Someone who drives such things around for a living or "hobby" (i.e. trucking, racing?). It is possible, dh has done it, and I work across from a depot and there some drivers who take forever to get it right, and others who are amazing and get it done in one shot with no spotter (I think that's wrong to not have a spotter, but whatever, it's not my place to tell someone what they're doing wrong, in the name of safety at least).

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Come to think of it, does anyone else think that if WM decided to take his own life, he'd just wander out to the hangar one fine day, go up above the clouds and take himself out from a place he loved to be?

Does anyone else find it strange that, given the notoriety and prominence of the Millard family, that there really was nothing written in the past about WM having committed suicide? Can things like this really be kept out of the media? Prior to it being recently released by the media that he had died apparently due to self-inflicted gunshot to the eye, many of us were questioning days ago, about how WM had died. You would think that any well known public figure as I'm assuming he was, well it would be all over the media that he'd committed suicide in his home just prior to big new business plans about to take place.

And if he truly DID commit suicide, I don't know - I just find it hard to believe that he would do so in the very home that he lived with his only son, knowing full well that his son would be the first to find him. I just can't see a parent doing that.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Clue here if they did it without a spotter. Someone who drives such things around for a living or "hobby" (i.e. trucking, racing?). It is possible, dh has done it, and I work across from a depot and there some drivers who take forever to get it right, and others who are amazing and get it done in one shot with no spotter (I think that's wrong to not have a spotter, but whatever, it's not my place to tell someone what they're doing wrong, in the name of safety at least).

True....but I think it one is parking a long trailer like this on a regular basis, it becomes very easy to do it unguided and in one shot.....BUT if one is backing it into an unfamiliar spot (like DM's Mother's driveway), particularly in the dark, my vote would be that if they didn't have someone to guide them, they didn't get it parked there in one attempt, IMO.

 

[wayout66]

Does anyone else find it strange that, given the notoriety and prominence of the Millard family, that there really was nothing written in the past about WM having committed suicide? Can things like this really be kept out of the media? ...

Yes, at the request of the family.

 

[newone]

Come to think of it, does anyone else think that if WM decided to take his own life, he'd just wander out to the hangar one fine day, go up above the clouds and take himself out from a place he loved to be?

exactly!! Take up his own plane light a cigar and have a glass of scotch and go ''his own way''