Canada -Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #8 **ARREST**

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Dave Agar of Newtalk 1010 tweets: CBC TO has learned police close to making more "arrests" in Tim Bosma murder. Offered no other info.

CBC was the one that reported "more remains found". I wonder if they are using their same "source".

 

[50sreader]

Not sure how to post the link sorry but a copy of it, "“@AgarNT1010: CBC TO has learned police close to making more "arrests" in Tim Bosma murder. Offered no other info.”" Ok, found out how:

https://twitter.com/agarnt1010/status/336958179516768256

 

[Archangel7]

How many people take a mental note of every truck and its plate, that passes through Brantford? This witness is claiming to have seen this truck BEFORE the information was in the media. In fact possibly before any crime had taken place for all we know ! IF this witness saw TB's truck then they MUST have known TB and known of his truck.

That statement is itself a logical fallacy.

If the car is white, so the engine MUST be white.

You are assuming someone has to "know" the vehicle owner to be able to remember and describe the vehicle.

Not to mention the fallacy in your first sentence.

 

[Yupit'sme]

The witness said they SAW the truck BEFORE the MSM released anything and possibly BEFORE any crime was committed. Either they KNEW TB or they are a very gifted psychic.

Or neither. I spend a huge amount of time in my car thanks to my job and b/c of that I stare at a lot of other peoples vehicles - and oftentimes remember what they look like. I look at license plates and create a crazy sentence or description of the driver out of it (abkj 123 might equal "a beautiful kar Joe 123 etc). This allows me to remember plate #'s. If a vehicle makes me suspicious (suspected drunk driving, people not wearing seatbelts, reckless or overly cautious drivers) I'll often memorize the plate # and description of a vehicle.
Although this might seem weird, it is not impossible (or difficult) and I KNOW I'm not the only person who pays attention to the vehicles around them. Therefore, your assumption about the witness in Brantford either knowing TB or being a gifted psychic, is still just an assumption and hardly a fact.
JMO of course.

 

[Blomquist]

From the article:
"Hamilton police have confirmed that they are dealing with only a single set of human remains at the Waterloo region farm of Dellen Millard."

After all that hard work, must have been animal remains !!

 

[Archangel7]

Quick question to anyone....

Did we ever resolve whether PL Fight inst. was a possible bridge(unknowingly) to cause DM interest in TB or truck?

 

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After all that hard work, must have been animal remains !!

Or the remains of TB were found in 2 different areas of the farm JMO

 

[Blomquist]

That statement is itself a logical fallacy.

If the car is white, so the engine MUST be white.

You are assuming someone has to "know" the vehicle owner to be able to remember and describe the vehicle.

Not to mention the fallacy in your first sentence.

Anyone can describe a vehicle, but not everyone can say it belonged to a certain someone, especially if the details were not released for another day or so later.
I can understand someone saying they saw a black truck, even say the model etc, but how would they know it was not just another truck? They would have to have certain information to be able to say beyond a doubt that the truck was the truck that was being searched for. It seems to me that many here have already decided what is real and what is not and anything that conflicts with those opinions is ridiculed and called fallacy. I would like to know exactly what the witness saw and how he/she identified it as TB's. If I were a juror on said case I would want to know. If this truck was captured on CCTV that would be another matter.

 

[nitsirk]

From the article:
"Hamilton police have confirmed that they are dealing with only a single set of human remains at the Waterloo region farm of Dellen Millard."

And maybe Waterloo or OPP is dealing with another set of remains?

 

[Blomquist]

Nope, not me...but probably someone just as awesome who paid attention to their surroundings - even late in the evening ;o):rockon:

Its a shame they didnt notice the truck supposedly following it too and follow them, that would have been even more spectacular :drumroll:

 

[Blomquist]

Thank you. Also, there's a thread for the "DM is innocent" conspiracy theories.

Dellen Millard: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

The fact that you are saying any suggestion that an accused is innocent makes for a Conspiracy Theory is quite alarming. Since when is someone not presumed innocent? I sincerely hope you are never a juror with that way of thinking.

 

[Trigatronic]

Anyone can describe a vehicle, but not everyone can say it belonged to a certain someone, especially if the details were not released for another day or so later.
I can understand someone saying they saw a black truck, even say the model etc, but how would they know it was not just another truck? They would have to have certain information to be able to say beyond a doubt that the truck was the truck that was being searched for. It seems to me that many here have already decided what is real and what is not and anything that conflicts with those opinions is ridiculed and called fallacy. I would like to know exactly what the witness saw and how he/she identified it as TB's. If I were a juror on said case I would want to know. If this truck was captured on CCTV that would be another matter.

Im not a dodge guy but I do rather like to see other chevy trucks so I can understand why a person could have a reliable memory of seeing a certain dodge...perhaps he/she owned one ... and as far as seeing it before MSM had released info and being a local I know the posters were everywhere I seen them at work so getting back to the memorie had I seen a really nice truck on Mon night then seeing it plastered on every post in town ...Yeah it might jog a persons memorie
JMO

 

[Yupit'sme]

Anyone can describe a vehicle, but not everyone can say it belonged to a certain someone, especially if the details were not released for another day or so later.
I can understand someone saying they saw a black truck, even say the model etc, but how would they know it was not just another truck? They would have to have certain information to be able to say beyond a doubt that the truck was the truck that was being searched for. It seems to me that many here have already decided what is real and what is not and anything that conflicts with those opinions is ridiculed and called fallacy. I would like to know exactly what the witness saw and how he/she identified it as TB's. If I were a juror on said case I would want to know. If this truck was captured on CCTV that would be another matter.

Now don't go forgetting gifted psychics (just joking) or awesomely aware citizens (no joke). It is quite possible that the witness thought the vehicle was, in someway, suspicious (maybe in the ways I mentioned earlier) and regardless of how they identified the vehicle (my way or otherwise), they had the sense to report it.
IMO, someone was aware enough to belive they saw the vehicle in Brantford, during a span of time that coincides with TB's abduction as well as (I believe) video evidence. Don't forget that the cell phone was also located in Brantford, which lends credence to the belief that the truck was in fact in Brantford.
Just a thought and of course, my own opinion.

 

[Archangel7]

Anyone can describe a vehicle, but not everyone can say it belonged to a certain someone, especially if the details were not released for another day or so later.
I can understand someone saying they saw a black truck, even say the model etc, but how would they know it was not just another truck? They would have to have certain information to be able to say beyond a doubt that the truck was the truck that was being searched for. It seems to me that many here have already decided what is real and what is not and anything that conflicts with those opinions is ridiculed and called fallacy. I would like to know exactly what the witness saw and how he/she identified it as TB's. If I were a juror on said case I would want to know. If this truck was captured on CCTV that would be another matter.

The investigator would interview this particular witness(if it is human developed evidence) and they would qualify the evidence and determine validity, etc.

This is a critical piece of evidence and could underpin who knew what when and who was where and when. It also is key in the timeline from SB seeing them leave, cell phone termination, etc. vs place and time of death.

In other words the times must flow seamlessly with the evidence or something is out of sequence and likely misinterpreted.

The "fallacy" you speak of was in the statement you posted itself. A logical fallacy of division to be exact. The logic was flawed in the statement about the truck and they MUST know TB. That MAY be true but not MUST be true.

 

[Yupit'sme]

Its a shame they didnt notice the truck supposedly following it too and follow them, that would have been even more spectacular :drumroll:

Maybe they did. Remember, LE hasn't reveled everything to us, nor should they be required to at this point in time (if ever). Let's not assume that we have all the facts. We can speculate and try to piece things together but we should always remember that speculation and assumption are just that, speculation and assumption, until proven otherwise. And yes, I follow my own advice

 

[Blomquist]

Im not a dodge guy but I do rather like to see other chevy trucks so I can understand why a person could have a reliable memory of seeing a certain dodge...perhaps he/she owned one ... and as far as seeing it before MSM had released info and being a local I know the posters were everywhere I seen them at work so getting back to the memorie had I seen a really nice truck on Mon night then seeing it plastered on every post in town ...Yeah it might jog a persons memorie
JMO

Yes it might jog a memory to remember a certain type truck. But would it jog it enough to remember the plate number??

 

[Blomquist]

Maybe they did. Remember, LE hasn't reveled everything to us, nor should they be required to at this point in time (if ever). Let's not assume that we have all the facts. We can speculate and try to piece things together but we should always remember that speculation and assumption are just that, speculation and assumption, until proven otherwise. And yes, I follow my own advice

No-one is assuming anything here. I have said I would like to know how someone KNEW it was TB's actual truck. Since then there has been a deluge of attacks and even suggestions of conspiracy theories.
I am glad you follow your own advice and glad that you are very observant of cars and trucks on the road. Hopefully you never have to be drawn into court to explain something so vital as in this current situation, because in court they will want all the facts and probably even ask you on the stand what the plate number was.... gotta be prepared.

 

[Yupit'sme]

And maybe Waterloo or OPP is dealing with another set of remains?

Hrmmmm... interesting thought!

 

[ArianeEmory]

The fact that you are saying any suggestion that an accused is innocent makes for a Conspiracy Theory is quite alarming. Since when is someone not presumed innocent? I sincerely hope you are never a juror with that way of thinking.

I salute your straw-man skills, but of course I never said that.

Nevertheless, the other thread was created for people who do wish to explore alternate theories that hinge on things that most of us consider non-issues, like "there is no box around his tattoo" or "no human witness could have spotted the truck without foreknowledge". I do wonder why you guys reject using it when the mods went out of their way to create it for you and to allow the main thread to flow more smoothly. Are the theories only satisfying if someone is around to argue with them?

 

[Trigatronic]

Yes it might jog a memory to remember a certain type truck. But would it jog it enough to remember the plate number??

Not a chance Unless it was a custom plate and we know this isn't the case so um ya .....