CANADA Canada - Toronto, WhtFem, 19-40, under a cement floor, DOD 1949 or prior, May’95

[Bagpus]

My problem is time difference. When it's 00:00 in France, it's 18:00 in Ontario

I have pathological phobia of authority figures + ESL (English as Second Language).

Time difference + pathological phobia of authority figures + ESL = I feel very uncomfortable with calling LE.
Canada LE and email are not a lucky combo with me.


However, if there's Crime Stoppers in the area, I can do it.
Guys and gals, do you think that it's an acceptable option?

Vous parlez pourtant très bien l'anglais.

 

[dotr]

Feb 14 2021
Who was the woman in the concrete floor? The unanswered questions behind one of Toronto’s oldest cold-case mysteries

''Toronto Unsolved
''Who was the woman in the concrete floor? The unanswered questions behind one of Toronto’s oldest cold-case mysteries

''Sun., Feb. 14,
The body of the smallish woman appeared when demolition workers tore up the floor of Robertson Motors at Danforth and Coxwell Avenues on May 19, 1995.

She had been hidden from sight for decades entombed in concrete.

How she got there was a mystery. An autopsy showed she died from a severe beating, after suffering massive head injuries.

“She actually has been kind of mummified,” Det.-Sgt. Jim Crowley said at the time. “The air would never have gotten to her.”

Soon, Crowley found himself oddly bonded to the anonymous woman found under the auto dealership, which had been converted into the Robertson Parkette.

Ideally, he wanted to catch her killer, but he knew this was unlikely, given the passage of time.''

 

[jessica-]

I'm from the area and have never heard of this case till today.

 

[dotr]

Started thread for woman referenced earlier in thread who was believed to be the UID, but ultimately proved not to be the same female..
CANADA - Canada-Dorothy Cox, 44, #2020036483, Toronto, 1 December 1942

 

[Richard]

Interesting case. I wonder if they had any way of determining when the concrete was placed over her. Was it when the area was first paved? Or perhaps when some sort of addition or repairs were done?

 

[Molly's Mom]

Started thread for woman referenced earlier in thread who was believed to be the UID, but ultimately proved not to be the same female..
CANADA - Canada-Dorothy Cox, 44, #2020036483, Toronto, 1 December 1942

How was it proved? DNA?

 

[dotr]

How was it proved? DNA?

Yes, interesting article..rbbm.
https://medwinpublishers.com/AEOAJ/AEOAJ16000101.pdf
''In the summer of 1995 human remains were recovered at a construction site on Danforth Avenue, East Toronto,Ontario. Evidence clearly showed that this female, who had died several decades earlier, had met a tragic end, as her skull had numerous unhealed impact fractures. Circumstantial evidence resulted in a presumptive ID which was the subject of a documentary aired on an episode of ‘Exhibit A’ entitled “The Danforth Lady”. The episode not only concluded that the mystery of her identification had been solved, but that Danforth Doe had been positively identified by mtDNA. By stating that the mtDNA from the bonesof Danforth Doe matched the DNA from her sons the documentary missed an important evidentiary item; the lab that conducted the DNA analysis does not have an mtDNA capability. This was confirmed by the lab director although he noted that some inconclusive nuclear DNA results had been obtained, but these were not reported in the documentary. In this study, mtDNA analysis of the “Danforth Doe” bones was conducted at two mtDNA laboratories in Thunder Bay. Comparison of the mtDNA hypervariable regions I and II in the bones and samples from the putative sons resulted in an exclusion (no match), which supported the preliminary nuclear DNA results that were revealed (in blind) following the mtDNA results. This case clearly shows the value of mtDNA in cold cases andalso exposed the unreliability of documentary reporting. It warrants a pre-cautionary stance for forensic scientists involvement with the media despite the cold case nature of the investigation. Most important is the fact that the one surviving son in reality does not have closure on his mother’s disappearance.''

 

[dotr]

Interesting case. I wonder if they had any way of determining when the concrete was placed over her. Was it when the area was first paved? Or perhaps when some sort of addition or repairs were done?

Who was the woman in the concrete floor? The unanswered questions behind one of Toronto’s oldest cold-case mysteries
''Concrete for the floor of the auto dealership was poured in 1949, which meant she was likely dead for at least 46 years''

 

[Richard]

Who was the woman in the concrete floor? The unanswered questions behind one of Toronto’s oldest cold-case mysteries
''Concrete for the floor of the auto dealership was poured in 1949, which meant she was likely dead for at least 46 years''

If the body was buried in the ground prior to the concrete being poured, then the killer was someone who knew that the cement was soon to be poured there, and that the leveling and site preparation had taken place.

If the concrete ENCASED the body, then the person or persons who poured the concrete were the killers - or were accomplices to the killer.

 

[Blurgle]

If the body was buried in the ground prior to the concrete being poured, then the killer was someone who knew that the cement was soon to be poured there, and that the leveling and site preparation had taken place.

If the concrete ENCASED the body, then the person or persons who poured the concrete were the killers - or were accomplices to the killer.

The body could have been buried there years and years before anyone thought to build a car dealership there.

 

[Gypsysoul25]

http://www.mtfca.com/discuss/messages/506218/523376.jpg

The spot she was found in.....

some forum users mentioned other cases of missing women on the exact building or street.unfortunately my device is not letting me copypaste and post certain links.go figure

http://www.mtfca.com/discuss/messages/506218/523311.html?1425693544

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

*Bumping the Woman in the Concrete Floor*

Canada's Nameless - Robertson Motors Jane Doe

Key Information:

Alias:
Robertson Motors Jane Doe
Toronto Jane Doe


Location Found:
The former site of Robertson Motors, 1515 Danforth Avenue, Toronto, Ontario.


Date Found:
May 18, 1995


Date of Death:
Prior to 1949


Age:
19-40 y/o


Sex:
Female


Race:
Caucasian


Hair Colour:
Red- brown, Blonde-brown


Eye Colour:
Unknown


Height:
5'5 - 5'7


Weight:
Unknown


Clothing:
Unknown


Additional Information:
Upper dental plate,

Likely had given birth


Dental / DNA:
Available


Circumstances of Finding:
The skeletal remains of Jane Doe were found as the Robertson Motors building was being demolished. Jane Doe was found with head injuries, possibly from a hammer.


Circumstances of Death:
Jane Doe's body was found under the cement floor of Robertson Motors. The cement floor was poured in 1949 suggesting she died before that time.

 

[dotr]

This is what East York looked like in the 1930s & 1940s before it became Toronto (blogto.com)
''Residential life during the 1930s and 1940s
East York was a neighbourhood largely populated by the working class. At that time, they would have been able to afford the small homes there, often complete with both back and front gardens.''

 

[victoriarobinson642]

This would be a great case for genetic genealogy.

 

[Romulus]

CANADA - Canada - Rosella DeLong, 29, Toronto, ON, 15 Dec 1947

This lady?

 

[squish]

CANADA - Canada - Rosella DeLong, 29, Toronto, ON, 15 Dec 1947

This lady?

Seems like an uncanny match. Looks quite a bit like the recon, and even has false teeth. Good find, definitely submit it

 

[Triss]

CANADA - Canada - Rosella DeLong, 29, Toronto, ON, 15 Dec 1947

This lady?

She looks just like the recon, amazing find!

 

[secyatlaw]

This would be a great case for genetic genealogy.

Just saw the Graham Greene hosted documentary-and saw this thread, where the mDNA wasn’t a conclusive match; heartbreaking. If the DNA was too degraded, more research might be a waste of resources?

 

[Susikatze]

Just saw the Graham Greene hosted documentary-and saw this thread, where the mDNA wasn’t a conclusive match; heartbreaking. If the DNA was too degraded, more research might be a waste of resources?

Othram works well with very degraded DNA. They should try

 

[Teignmouth 22]

Just had a look at this page re: Dorothy Cox, the lady mentioned above.

Canada's Missing | Case details

www.services.rcmp-grc.gc.ca

There's a red exclamation mark dated today on her page; I don't know what it means and if it's relevant or not. Thought I'd just mention it.