CANADA Canada - Unsolved murders of young people in London, Ont, 1960s-70s

[Richard]

Jackie English, fifteen, disappeared on 4 October 1969. Five days later, her body was found by two duck hunters in Big Otter Creek near Tillsonburg.

LINK:

Fifty years on, sister keeps alive memory of murdered Jackie English, 15

Walk will memorialized last known walk of teen who was abducted and murdered

lfpress.com

 

[casesensitive]

W5 episode of Jackie's case, and her sister Anne's dedication and life passion to find her killer.

 

[brandonfromlondon]

To my knowledge he is living in Kitchener and still working as a long-haul trucker. There is a telephone listing for him there. Can you possibly recover the piece you read regarding his immigration to Scotland? I have researched him quite thoroughly and have never found mention of that. I wonder how it would be possible to emigrate with that conviction?

How did you figure this out ? I've been trying to figure out where he is, my grandmother lived in Kitchener between 88 and 2006 or so and was famiar with his name but couldn't recall exactly, as she's a member of the same congergation at one time or another

 

[brandonfromlondon]

I came across this Jehovah Witness Crime Cases URL when i did a google search on David Bodemer after watching the program on London Ontario. He is apparently still living in the area.

I happen to know the crooker family , I myself am much younger and didn't learn about all this till years later, I actually grew up attending the Aylmer kingdom hall unfortunately. How did you find anything about him still living in the area ? I was under the impression he was in Kitchener , would you be able to share your references ??

 

[Michael_Rivers]

It has been a very long time since I looked at this thread, and I've even gone through a user name change and career change, but I'm fully intent on researching these cases further. I'm not from the area but I am a historian now and will only offer my analysis if I think it will be helpful. Jacqueline Dunleavy's story really hit me a few years ago, and I hope to shed some light on her case as well as the others.

 

[Laura Brown]

I have read both The Forest City Killer & Murder City.
I started a journey in late 2022 to locate a missing schoolfriend - Simon Wilson, who went missing in January 1975. Simon is briefly mentioned in Murder City. Simon's case is very similar to that of Frankie Jensen though Simon was never found. While I have come to the conclusion that Simon has crossed, I would like at least to know what happened to him. It is thought that at least one of the men possibly involved in some of these crimes ended up in Toronto not too far from where Simon lived. His parents were separated when he went missing, his dad lived in High Park by the time of the disappearance. Once I started looking into Simon's disappearance, and came across the murders in London (which shocked me I have to say), it has opened my eyes to the amount of missing & murdered people from the 1940's onwards. Many are still unsolved, those missing not found; the murdered not having their cases solved. The families need closure so much. There is so little about these cases either (barring the books on the London murders). More attention needs to be given to these cases, the police need to be willing to share some info (barring holding back stuff for the sake of knowing they have the right person should it come up) because they want people to help them so they ought do the same, reciprocate. I am trying to collate as much as I can not only about Simon, the murders in London, Glen Fryer, & other missing/murdered people. Too many have ended up cold cases. Let's get these cases solved, or at least some of them - as many as possible. Laura

 

[torasu43]

It's been reported that the police have dna from Jacqueline's killer. It's time to make use of genetic genealogy. This has gone on far too long. She deserves justice! The tool to deliver that justice is available, but not used. What a shame.

Hi, fell down another rabbit hole listening and thinking through these cases. Just wondering if anyone knows if genetic genealogy has been done with the cases. I remember something about a "project angel" that used the DNA... but with Christine Jessop's murder being solved through genetic genealogy... is this an option for Jackie, Linda, Soroya, Frankie, Bruce, etc???

 

[Laura Brown]

If they have DNA from Jackie's case, from the perpetrator, then Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG, also seen as Forensic Genetic Genealogy) can solve this crime. Have the police force involved got the DNA uploaded to GEDmatch at all, do we know if any work has been done on that aspect of things? There are groups out there who can do this work - I took a course in IGG last year. More interesting than I can ever say - through Ramapo College in New Jersey. They might be willing to look at the DNA matches to see what they can find, plus there are other organizations that can also help including WolfPack DNA (I volunteer for them). IGG is a useful tool to help with these cases as well as bringing something to help the family have answers. Because 'closure' is not the right word for this process because you get answers rather than closure.

 

[Snoopster]

If they have DNA from Jackie's case, from the perpetrator, then Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG, also seen as Forensic Genetic Genealogy) can solve this crime. Have the police force involved got the DNA uploaded to GEDmatch at all, do we know if any work has been done on that aspect of things? There are groups out there who can do this work - I took a course in IGG last year. More interesting than I can ever say - through Ramapo College in New Jersey. They might be willing to look at the DNA matches to see what they can find, plus there are other organizations that can also help including WolfPack DNA (I volunteer for them). IGG is a useful tool to help with these cases as well as bringing something to help the family have answers. Because 'closure' is not the right word for this process because you get answers rather than closure.

I believe that the OPP has a pretty reasonable budget to pursue IGG in key (appropriate) cold cases. They have used it to great success. For some of the London Ontario cold cases I'm guessing that a couple are already 'solved' but the perpetrator is long dead so OPP don't want to spend their budget on that. For other cases, it depends on the quality of the DNA, and, if not of reasonable quality, then Othram (or similar high quality lab) was not able to find a close enough DNA match on GEDMATCH or FTDNA. I don't think these cases have been overlooked.
Just my opinion.

P.S. I wish you luck in your academic pursuits! It's so great that more people are taking these kind of courses. I'm sure many, many more cold cases will be solved using these techniques!

 

[Laura Brown]

I believe that the OPP has a pretty reasonable budget to pursue IGG in key (appropriate) cold cases. They have used it to great success. For some of the London Ontario cold cases I'm guessing that a couple are already 'solved' but the perpetrator is long dead so OPP don't want to spend their budget on that. For other cases, it depends on the quality of the DNA, and, if not of reasonable quality, then Othram (or similar high quality lab) was not able to find a close enough DNA match on GEDMATCH or FTDNA. I don't think these cases have been overlooked.
Just my opinion.

P.S. I wish you luck in your academic pursuits! It's so great that more people are taking these kind of courses. I'm sure many, many more cold cases will be solved using these techniques!

Thanks! It's amazing, it's a small field as yet still. I have found it interesting for a while & when the chance came up to take this course...well. No thought needed. I will say that with IGG we tend to work with any matches we get. Because even if not close ones such as parents/siblings/first cousins, having 3rd cousins or farther - can be done, is done all the time. It just takes longer. Some of the things available to use on Gedmatch, FtDNA, DNAPainter make things a lot easier. Not easy just help make it easier. The Christine Jessop case was solved with IGG, but the fellow was dead, which is going to happen a lot when the cases worked on are older. But. Even allowing for that, it means the case is closed & the family has answers which they can then process.