Canadian Family Fights to Keep Baby Boy's Breathing Tube in Place

[CHICANA]

It looks like they 'snuck' him out of the country.

Ont. baby was flown to U.S. against medical advice

The hospital said Joseph, who suffers from a fatal neurodegenerative disease, was flown out of London on a private plane.


http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110314/maraachli-baby-us-110314/

 

[angelmom]

The hospital has warned the family that they will be banned from the hospital if they try to take videos, which is preventing the family from documenting Joseph’s responses and movements

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/baby-josephs-parents-denied-private-visitations

Um, are you freaking kidding me? How can they ban the family from taking movies of their son's last days? How can they prevent private visits when there are no accusations even of them harming him?

That sounds like a kidnap situation to me. The parents can't get him out of there, and they aren't allowed private time with him.

Even jail inmates get more contact with their lawyers, and this baby can't be alone with his mommy?

BS! This is exactly why I don't want some government lackey having anything to do with the healthcare system. This is vicious and unnecessary. The people responsible for these decisions should be embarrassed to call themselves caregivers.

:banghead:

 

[CHICANA]

Um, are you freaking kidding me? How can they ban the family from taking movies of their son's last days? How can they prevent private visits when there are no accusations even of them harming him?

That sounds like a kidnap situation to me. The parents can't get him out of there, and they aren't allowed private time with him.

Even jail inmates get more contact with their lawyers, and this baby can't be alone with his mommy?

BS! This is exactly why I don't want some government lackey having anything to do with the healthcare system. This is vicious and unnecessary. The people responsible for these decisions should be embarrassed to call themselves caregivers.

:banghead:

The comments at the bottom of the article are rampant with rumors about organ harvesting being the motive. I pray that's not the case.

 

[Melanie]

Universal health care isn't "the public dole."

This is a highly complicated ethical situation. I have some opinions on the matter, but can't make a judgement because I don't know all the details. It's too bad, though, that certain political ideologues and anti-choice groups have latched on to this family at this time.

Right - that's like saying everyone in UK is on the dole, when in fact everyone is covered under the National Health Care System.

While I don't particularly care for it (wait times, lack of proper dental, etc) -- it is available to all UK citizens.

MOO

Mel

 

[Melanie]

The comments at the bottom of the article are rampant with rumors about organ harvesting being the motive. I pray that's not the case.

hwow:

 

[LaWanda]

Aww ... Link to a youtube vid of the baby responding to touch ...

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/baby-joseph-airlifted-to-us-hospital

Snip**
A new video just released by Priests for Life shows Father Pavone interacting with Baby Joseph Maraachli in his hospital room.
The video, shot today, shows the baby moving his hands and rolling in his bed. The hospital in Ontario where he had been a patient since October, declared that the baby was in a persistent vegetative state, but doctors at Cardinal Glennon have told Father Pavone that he is primarily breathing on his own and is responding to touch.

 

[peeples]

I'm not a Dr. but that was responding to touch!!

ETA: I take back my statement of them making him suffer he's in there.. somewhere..... however that tape has sure done a number on his poor face and cheeks. With my twins in NICU they put some sponges under the tubing and moved the tape around a bit to give different parts of their cheeks a rest.

 

[CHICANA]

I'm not a Dr. but that was responding to touch!!

ETA: I take back my statement of them making him suffer he's in there.. somewhere..... however that tape has sure done a number on his poor face and cheeks. With my twins in NICU they put some sponges under the tubing and moved the tape around a bit to give different parts of their cheeks a rest.

Why why why ??? Every definition I've found for PVS states that there is no conscious response to outside stimuli. WTH was that hospital up to ?

 

[i.b.nora]

Why is the video so tightly cropped? That seems very odd to me.

 

[Melanie]

I'm not a Dr. but that was responding to touch!!

ETA: I take back my statement of them making him suffer he's in there.. somewhere..... however that tape has sure done a number on his poor face and cheeks. With my twins in NICU they put some sponges under the tubing and moved the tape around a bit to give different parts of their cheeks a rest.

Me too! OMGosh - that is a non-vegatative baby responding to touch; moving around. Can you imagine if the hospital removed the tube? Little Joseph would have choked to death and died.

How can a hospital do that! I wouldn't let them near my child, and thank the good Lord the family got him out of there.

I don't presume to know his prognosis, but killing him is beyond inhumane.

MOO

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Why is the video so tightly cropped? That seems very odd to me.

I took it to keep the focus strictly on baby Joseph, and not anyone or anything around him. Effective IMHO.

Mel

 

[Tuffy]

Universal health care isn't "the public dole."

This is a highly complicated ethical situation. I have some opinions on the matter, but can't make a judgement because I don't know all the details. It's too bad, though, that certain political ideologues and anti-choice groups have latched on to this family at this time.

Sorry, I thought OHIP was the public health care system. It just seems odd that the hospital has so much control over the parents here.

I'm glad that they are able to get him to Missouri for proper treatment.

 

[jjenny]

By all accounts, it sounds like the condition is fatal, and their older child has already died from the same condition. Anyone knows that is the name of the condition, or is it something undiagnosed?

 

[Snoopster]

Sorry, I thought OHIP was the public health care system. It just seems odd that the hospital has so much control over the parents here.

I'm glad that they are able to get him to Missouri for proper treatment.

What makes you think Baby Joseph wasn't getting proper treatment? I hope it wasn't all those articles from lifesitenews.com that were linked here. It isn't a main stream media outlet, but rather a special interest organization.

This is a very complex and tragic story about a heartbroken family with a terminally ill child. I can't imagine what they are going through. I have not, however, read any mainstream, reputable media article which implies that Baby Joseph wasn't receiving excellent care.

It took three days for medical staff in London, Ont., and St. Louis to exchange records and discuss Joseph's condition, and for hospital administrators to conclude negotiations over the transfer, Martini said.

The transfer was settled at 2 p.m. Sunday, he said, and arrangements for an air ambulance were made immediately.

"We decided to get him out sooner rather than later."

A U.S. group called Priests for Life claimed credit in a news release Monday for "rescuing" the infant in a "covert mission ... under the cover of darkness" Sunday night.

But Martini downplayed the drama of the transfer, saying medical and legal staff at London Health Sciences Centre (LHSC) co-operated fully and professionally. "We certainly didn't snatch the baby out of the hospital."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/03/14/17613261.html

I am concerned that all of the grandstanding and inflammatory actions by certain individuals and groups, only detracts from the basic sad story here. (See the 'exaggerated comments' by Priests for Life quoted above, and then the family's own lawyer, dispelling them as an example of this.) My thoughts are with the family and that they may find peace soon.

 

[CHICANA]

By all accounts, it sounds like the condition is fatal, and their older child has already died from the same condition. Anyone knows that is the name of the condition, or is it something undiagnosed?

Reports say it's undiagnosed. I'd have a hard time accepting there was no hope if a doctor couldn't tell me what was wrong with my child.

 

[CHICANA]

What makes you think Baby Joseph wasn't getting proper treatment? I hope it wasn't all those articles from lifesitenews.com that were linked here. It isn't a main stream media outlet, but rather a special interest organization.

This is a very complex and tragic story about a heartbroken family with a terminally ill child. I can't imagine what they are going through. I have not, however, read any mainstream, reputable media article which implies that Baby Joseph wasn't receiving excellent care.



http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/03/14/17613261.html

I am concerned that all of the grandstanding and inflammatory actions by certain individuals and groups, only detracts from the basic sad story here. (See the 'exaggerated comments' by Priests for Life quoted above, and then the family's own lawyer, dispelling them as an example of this.) My thoughts are with the family and that they may find peace soon.

They want to remove him from life support plus give him something to make him die faster ? Taking someone off life support is one thing, but giving them an injection to expedite the process is murder IMO. How can they say he won't recover when they don't even know what's wrong with him ?
His attorney still has to practice law in Canada & might have to play nice.
Not that there aren't bad priests, but overall I guess I'd believe a priest over a lawyer on any given day.
Why did the parents have a security guard watching their visits ? They obviously weren't going to kill him, seeing as they're fighting so hard to keep him alive.
Why wouldn't they let them record video (memories) of their dying child ?
Because after watching the video, the world would know that the baby was not in a persistent vegetative state ?
I saw the video, how can 9 experts say he's in a persistent vegetative state when he is responding to touch.
Maybe it's because the experts work for the Canadian health system and not the parents.

By it's definition, those in a PVA don't respond to outside stimuli.
I don't know if he'll live, but I don't like anything about the way the powers that be have treated this family.

 

[CHICANA]

well one thing is sure, it isn't cost effective to keep him alive longer since he is terminal anyway.

Because it isn't their child, they don't see the beauty of letting the babe go home and die away from the hospital. Placing a trach, sending a ventilator home, a feeding pump, likely an oxygen machine. Oh the cost!
Who do they think they are, playing God. How do they sleep at night?
Because the money saved can be used more effectively elsewhere.

It will get worse as time goes on folks.

The beast doing what beasts do, kill.....moo

This baby was put on life support. The choice for him to go naturally was already dismissed by doctors and family. Now the doctors want to take back what they already agreed to.
It's a lie that they are thinking of the baby. They are not, imo. They are thinking about the cost. But it will cost them more in the long run, and their solution will be; don't put folks who are terminal on life support to begin with.

They don't need God, they got a psychiatrist and a lawyer to back them up.

 

[yosande]

They don't need God, they got a psychiatrist and a lawyer to back them up.

Doctors take an oath to "Do no harm."
Sometimes medical pros work too long in the calling, and have forgotten their oath.

Do no harm really means do no harm. iow, don't kill!! whether passive or aggresive. It's no one's place to take a life, and especially an innocent life.moo

I am proud of the USA for extending a helping hand to baby Joseph.
Terri did not die in vain after all. Her family stands up for others now.
Thank you Terri's family, for being a voice for those who can't cry out.
May God shower blessings of peace upon you as you comfort those innocent ones.

 

[yosande]

What makes you think Baby Joseph wasn't getting proper treatment? I hope it wasn't all those articles from lifesitenews.com that were linked here. It isn't a main stream media outlet, but rather a special interest organization.

This is a very complex and tragic story about a heartbroken family with a terminally ill child. I can't imagine what they are going through. I have not, however, read any mainstream, reputable media article which implies that Baby Joseph wasn't receiving excellent care.



http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/03/14/17613261.html

I am concerned that all of the grandstanding and inflammatory actions by certain individuals and groups, only detracts from the basic sad story here. (See the 'exaggerated comments' by Priests for Life quoted above, and then the family's own lawyer, dispelling them as an example of this.) My thoughts are with the family and that they may find peace soon.

They wanted to kill him, I don't consider that excellent care.
His family was ripped of their right to make his medical choices.
I don't consider that excellent care.

The granstanding and inflammatory actions, as you call them, was what caused a hospital in the USA to reach out to help Joseph and his parents.

If they hadn't, no one would have heard of Joseph, and his plight.
The hospital would have done what they planned, premeditated murder of a thirteen month old baby boy whose name is Joseph.

I applaud them. Power to the People!!!

 

[Snoopster]

They want to remove him from life support plus give him something to make him die faster ? Taking someone off life support is one thing, but giving them an injection to expedite the process is murder IMO. How can they say he won't recover when they don't even know what's wrong with him ?
His attorney still has to practice law in Canada & might have to play nice.
Not that there aren't bad priests, but overall I guess I'd believe a priest over a lawyer on any given day.
Why did the parents have a security guard watching their visits ? They obviously weren't going to kill him, seeing as they're fighting so hard to keep him alive.
Why wouldn't they let them record video (memories) of their dying child ?
Because after watching the video, the world would know that the baby was not in a persistent vegetative state ?
I saw the video, how can 9 experts say he's in a persistent vegetative state when he is responding to touch.
Maybe it's because the experts work for the Canadian health system and not the parents.

By it's definition, those in a PVA don't respond to outside stimuli.
I don't know if he'll live, but I don't like anything about the way the powers that be have treated this family.

I'm sorry, but I hadn't seen that they wanted to give poor Joseph something to make him die faster. Where did you see this?