Case Against Darin?

[Goody]

It does seem to fit. The first time Darin is heard on the tape is at about 30 seconds. Darlie screams "Karen/Darin" about 2 mins. later. The 1st time the PO is heard is at about 3:45 mins. Easily fits your theory. Darlie could have hollered out the utility room door to Darin. Right after she screams for whoever, the OP asks her if anybody else is in the house with her, besides her children and her husband. Darlie first says "no" real quick, then adds that her husband just ran downstairs and he's helping her. He had actually been downstairs over 2 mins. by then. Looking at it from the point of view that Darlie is screaming "Darin" makes the "he's helping me" seem creepy, doesn't it? Is he running around getting rid of things, cutting screens, is that how he's helping her?

I am definitely going have to make an effort to listen to that again. Sure would be interesting if we could prove she was hollering for Darin while he was out on the sock run. Sew up a few holes anyway.

That's right, they said they felt betrayed by LE when they weren't told about the sock. Source: Flesh and Blood by Patricia Springer. They were probably thinking "crap, what else did Darin screw up"

I believe Darin said something about it at trial, too.

Darlie doesn't say on the tape that she's hollering for a neighbor to help her and now that I've listened to it again and again, it was on a loop, LOL her screaming "Karen" sounds like it came out of the middle of nowhere. Patricia Springer says that Darin went to get the Neals after LE and the paramedics had arrived. Springer does not say Darin claims to have gotten the Neals to have friends with him, but because Karen was a nurse. Later, Terry Neal drove Darin to the hospital and Karen took care of Domaine and Drake. Another thing about the tape, I downloaded it and I can hear things much better than just playing it from the website. I'll have to watch the the mins. again, but I swear at one point, I can hear utensils clattering. Hmmmmmm

That is what I remember....that she said it out of nowhere. Springer is right on most of it, but I believe Karen Neal testified that she went to the hospital, too. I can't be certain though. The old memory is rebelling again. But it seems to me that she left the baby with Mrs. Gorsuch and went to the hospital with Terry and Darin.

 

[Goody]

Not with myself, making sure it was understood. Funny question coming from someone who refers to herself in the 3rd person, huh Goody?

aaahahahahahahahhahah! How long you been reading Goody, girl????

 

[Goody]

Actually what I meant is that I misunderstood Mary's comment and took it as an insult. I wasn't talking about my knowledge of true crime.

I am going to start calling you Piney, short for porcupine. Everytime we joke around with you, you fire off a needle. Easy does it, girl. We're harmless.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

We're harmless.

I still say you should have gone to law school. Those defendants wouldn't stand a chance against you!!!!

 

[Goody]

Of course less blood flow means the heart has stopped beating, blah blah..... No way you have ever heard of means that naturally I am wrong? It's so simple, and you're making it so hard. I've done more research about if it's possible to determine the order of the wounds in SOME cases, and it is possible. You both seem to miss the fact that I keep saying SOME cases. If a victim runs from the attacker after an initial wound, and one could tell that by looking at blood on the floor and blood spatter, cast off, etc! Obviously then that first stab was a wound which did not immediatly kill the victim. An ME would know if the victim would have bled out from the wound or needed to be stabbed again in order to die. I don't understand why you can't see that. It's so simple. You are setting up much more difficult scenerios than I am. I said before: in overkill situations of course they can't tell the order. That's ridiculous and that's not what I said. Ask Dr. Henry Lee if in some cases you can give an educated guess at the order of the wounds and get back with me on that.

Well, of course, an ME can give an educated guess in some cases. In some, through forensics, he might even do better than that. But that doesn't happen in most cases. However, we were talking about the Routier boys in particular, weren't we? The ME clearly stated that they could not tell in what order the wounds were made. In fact, both the ME's did. They couldn't even tell which child was attacked first, and they had no official time of death for Devon..

 

[Goody]

And lets not forget that Hamilton's testimony has absolutely NOTHING about brushing the knife block or the knives. Great detail about every other little itsy bitsy thing he brushed but no knife block

You mean no one asked him?

 

[Goody]

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Wow Goody, that's a big statement to make without listing your source. I've got all 4 books and I don't remember reading that in any of them. Was it Babs? She has some easily checked facts wrong in her book. For instance, she said Darlie and Darin had sex on the sofa that night, but tests showed Darlie had no semen anywhere on her. I'd like to read more about that neighbor's statement, would you please find the author's name or the book or article for me?
And you're right, neither can decide who was really mad about the hot tub thing. Frankly, they both should have been pissed. I mean jeez how did those boys splash nearly all of the water out?! Of course, there's a big difference between pissed and killing pissed.

I don't remember which book it was in. Probably Springer or B. Davis, but even D. Davis threw in comments from family and friends so I can't be sure. I do know though it was NOT in Brown's because I never read his jibberish. I tried but he sounded like a family member trying to veto every speck of evidence against their loved one, no matter how farfetched the argument was.

Now will I look it up? Hmm.....I will see what I can do. No promises though.

 

[Goody]

Well my roots do need to be done.

Aha!! I must be psychic!!! Watch out y'all!!! LOL!

 

[Goody]

I did some homework. *insert pat my back emoticon*

Devon was 4 when they moved from Bond to Eagle. But I doubt he was a screen cutter then.

17 A. Devon was born June the 14th, 1989.
18 Q. Okay. And, y'all continued to live at
19 the house on Bond Street?
20 A. Yes, we did.

20 Q. Okay. How long was it before y'all
21 moved over on Eagle Drive?
22 A. We moved to our new home on Eagle
23 Drive in 1993.
http://justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/volumes/vol-44.php#2

However, I've been thinking about what you said about those aliens...Goody, I just don't think they were violent. They may have cut the screen but there's no evidence or testimony to support them killing the kids. :crazy:

O, don't tempt me, A@M. I am having a hard enough time behaving myself here. If you want to banter openly, meet me at GAC.

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[Goody]

Nope! :snooty: I main't tellin ya now.

But I have a question for you, or Goody, or anybody that could help me understand....Goody said the screen was cut in an upside down T. I just can't picture that. How did the sides fold down if the horizontal cut ran along the bottom of the screen?

UGH! I think I'm confused again.

Well, you are right, so it must be the other way around. We have argued so much about that stupid screen, I thought I was wrong about the Tshape and switched it. You can see it in the pictures when your book comes in.

 

[Goody]

Not even in your own back yard - with a 6' privacy fence? Hmmm, maybe I'm a bad mommy....

When my daughter was 5 years old, she could swim like a fish. I wouldn't have left her alone around the pool, but a hot tub....well, we didn't have one so I really don't know. Just guessing myself, if she could stand up and her head would be above water I'd say I wouldn't watch her 24/7 around it.

Kids can drown in a bucket of water. It is never safe to leave a young child alone with any standing water, shallow or not.

 

[cami]

I know, but I'm awfully close.

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ROFL, you crack me up girl. See what did I tell you, manic.

 

[Goody]

I think in a backyard with a 6' privacy fence is fine. I was talking about children, as the Routier boys, who are allowed to venture away from their own yards unaccompanied.

I read that there was a new construction site in the subdivision that the kids liked to frequent. Like any construction site, it was full of tools and things that kids could get hurt on. Yet no one ever saw them being supervised there or anywhere else in teh subdivision. I think Darlie was probably a lazy mother. She let the kids run the neighborhood like parents did back in the 40s and 50s. There were even some claims that she locked them out when she didn't want them coming in to bother her or wake the baby. My stepmother used to do me that way when I was their age. She didn't want me to wake her napping babies either. So it is not unheard of, but definitely not appropriate today. Actually, it wasn't back then either. My grandmother used to raise cain with her over it even back then, and we lived on a farm. Darlie was definitely lax in her parenting skills.

I wouldn't have left any of my children in any body of water when they were five years old. In fact, now that my youngest is 10 years old, I still won't. Guess I'm overprotective, but they'll just have to live with that. :blushing:

Better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Goody]

I'm sorry Goody. Did you say "canned chicken."

Why, yes. Haven't you ever tried it? It is good. My dogs love it!!

 

[beesy]

Well, of course, an ME can give an educated guess in some cases. In some, through forensics, he might even do better than that. But that doesn't happen in most cases. However, we were talking about the Routier boys in particular, weren't we? The ME clearly stated that they could not tell in what order the wounds were made. In fact, both the ME's did. They couldn't even tell which child was attacked first, and they had no official time of death for Devon..

Hey you're using my color! Yeah, we started off with this case remember? Stupid Chris said the white numbers were the most likely order for Damon and then we were off! Never talked about Devon, but....nah. Anyway, then we meandered off to cases in general, or at least I did

 

[beesy]

I am going to start calling you Piney, short for porcupine. Everytime we joke around with you, you fire off a needle. Easy does it, girl. We're harmless.

Stingers, not needles.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I read that there was a new construction site in the subdivision that the kids liked to frequent. Like any construction site, it was full of tools and things that kids could get hurt on. Yet no one ever saw them being supervised there or anywhere else in teh subdivision. I think Darlie was probably a lazy mother. She let the kids run the neighborhood like parents did back in the 40s and 50s. There were even some claims that she locked them out when she didn't want them coming in to bother her or wake the baby. My stepmother used to do me that way when I was their age. She didn't want me to wake her napping babies either. So it is not unheard of, but definitely not appropriate today. Actually, it wasn't back then either. My grandmother used to raise cain with her over it even back then, and we lived on a farm. Darlie was definitely lax in her parenting skills.


Better to be safe than sorry.

I'm surprised no one ever said anything. When my second son was about 7 or 8, his pappa went to Home Depot and he couldn't go with him. My son was playing Leggos in his room and the next thing I know, he's at my front door with a cop. LOL Cop said he saw him down the street and KNEW that it was unusual to see him out alone. First of all, that's one hell of an observant cop. Secondly, my son is very tall for his age. The cop thought he was older than he actually was at first. It wasn't until he stopped to talk to him that he realized how young he was. I'll tell you what though - it scared the crap out of me and my son and I had a LOOONNNGGG talk about exactly what I was so worried about. He's much more aware now and even comes between me and my daughter when she's angry that I won't let her go with her girlfriend "on a walk."

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Why, yes. Haven't you ever tried it? It is good. My dogs love it!!

Well, if I was a German Shepherd, I'd probably love it. Things being what they are, I think I'll just take mine the usual way. :slap: :slap:

 

[Goody]

I still say you should have gone to law school. Those defendants wouldn't stand a chance against you!!!!

Shoot, Jeana. I didn't even know I COULD go to law school. I grew up in a family where girls were supposed to grow up lilly white pure and marry and have a houseful of kids and enjoy life after they were widowed and left a lot of money. Now, if you don't think Goody is a screw up, think again because she didn't do any of those things in the right order. But law school would have definitely been fun. And if I had, I would have definitely been a prosecutor.

I remember when I was young and waiting tables for a living, I hated the drunks who would come in after hours. I'd hold the empty coffee cup about two inches from the table and drop it so it would make a loud bang right next to the head that was laying on the table and stinking up the place. Jerk that sucker awake, it would! LOL! No, I wasn't cut out for waitressing and it didn't last long.


Gosh, I even remember cops coming in and lecturing me on staying faithful to my wayward young husband who sure wasn't being faithful to me nor was he putting any food on the table. It seemed that the mood in general back then was against women, no matter which way you shuffled the deck. Shoot, I didn't know until I became disabled that there were grants and school loans specifically designed to help students who aren't fresh out of high school go to school. If I had, I would have gone long, long before I did. Even worse when I was in California, college was free......and I didn't know it. It never occured to me that I could go to school without having thousands of dollars to pay for it.

Fortunately girls are more informed today. In fact, most of us in general are. We now that getting married and having kids is not the only thing we were born for. I am just happy that the couple of years I was able to attend were so fruitful. If I could say anything to any girl on this forum, it would be to GET YOUR EDUCATION! NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, CAN REPLACE A GOOD EDUCATION. We can't predict the future but we can be prepared for it.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Stingers, not needles.

They're actually "quills."