Casey Anthony and Tony L.

[Just Jayla]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. From what I saw and heard in the interviews he, his roommates, and the apartment were investigated amazingly little for a case of a missing child who was actually presumed by police to be dead and given the circumstances. IMO, I had to laugh at the sugary way LE spoke to TL and praised him in the interviews, and how they mentioned having spoken to his father and how helpful TL had been in their investigation, etc, etc. I do think he was treated differently than some others, for example RM.

Yes, you are right, they were not interested at all in the drug usage going on in the apartment by the guys, they appeared to only want to know if Casey was using anything or had obtained Xanax from any of them. NL said he smoked a pipe daily and was on "Depakote for bipolar" but had not used Xanax in some time and had never provided it to anyone else, IIRC. I think NL is the one who said that Caylee would sit on the couch and watch TV with him and CC when TL and Casey would be asleep in the other room, IIRC. CC said he was able to get different drugs for people and does, including weed (what kind? "Crippy") and Xanax, but never for Casey. He said he usually smoked a pipe in the afternoon or evening I think to relax, IIRC, and he said he "peer pressured" Casey to smoke with them--he said she was not a drug user but he did get her to use it with them during those weeks she was living there. Supposedly she spent quite a bit of time on the couch with them watching TV while Tony wasn't there, IIRC. I don't think we ever heard an interview with Clint on the subject, did we? Maybe I forgot. What did TonyL say to Lee, something about his "drug dealer"? I would have to listen to that again to verify.....but by NL's and CC's statements Tony L was not a drug user and neither was Casey.

Yes, the detective made a point of stating on tape that Tony L had given permission for his phone to be searched but it couldn't be with their software so a picture was just taken of his phone showing the June 2 picture of Caylee on it. I don't know if they downloaded and searched his phone later, one would expect so but I'm not sure. I was very surprised, I had not remembered that about how they documented the picture.

I would not have been opposed to a thorough search of the apartment-KC could have left evidence there just as easily as someone else. Would be good to know...
Because TL's parents did join him, LE may have looked at TL as someone that was intimidated, thus the decent treatment. When the drugs came up, I believe it opened a door for LE to suggest that TL should work with them, since they were doing him a "favor" by not busting him and his friends. TL complied.
RM, on the other hand, was a bit more assertive for himself and was not exactly a warm personality. RM seemed familiar with dealing with LE, and was less intimidated than TL. HOWEVER, I find RM just as credible as I find TL.

 

[okiedokietoo]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308anthonylazzaro/1/lg/992_1071_interviews_with_Anthony_Lazzaro_and_Amy_Heizings_Page_02.htm
TAPED TRANSCRIPT WITH TL
July 22, 2008
Page 2 Line 11
EE: Okay. Anthony has come here voluntarily today in regards to a missing person's case. He has already been interviewed a couple of times.

Page 2 Line 23
EE: Okay. You signed a Waivers allowing us to search that...
AL: Yes sir.
------continuing
Page 3 Line 1
EE: ...because there was a photograph of the missing juvenile. Do you know that juvenile's name?
AL: Yes sir, Caylee M...uh, Caylee Marie Anthony I believe.
EE: Okay. And we were unable to download that on uh, on the software that we have. So we took digital photographs which shows the photograph on your phone and the date and time that that was taken, which will be June 2nd at 4:52 p.m. is that correct?

(bolded by me)

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Seagull are you suspicious that Tony in someway abused Caylee, murdered her or helped hide her body?

 

[butterfly1978]

We also have to remember that Tony went undercover for LE in the car with Lee. I dont think he would have done that if he was involved.

 

[seagull65]

I would not have been opposed to a thorough search of the apartment-KC could have left evidence there just as easily as someone else. Would be good to know...

Exactly. That's just one of the reasons I was always amazed there wasn't more investigation of the Sutton Pl apartment.
She (and her car) spent a lot of time there, as did Caylee.

Now, there could be evidence we don't know of from Casey's bedroom (at the A's house) or somewhere else that shows exactly where Caylee died, if they had anything like that that early on (I'm not aware of anything) then they might not have been as interested in the Sutton Pl Apartment but should still have investigated TL as much as Casey since he had been at the A house etc with her.

Obviously either MOST of the Sutton Pl guys are completely uninvolved in what happened to Caylee, or ALL of them are. But the police would have no way to know who or if the apartment was involved without investigating.

 

[seagull65]

Seagull are you suspicious that Tony in someway abused Caylee, murdered her or helped hide her body?

Not more suspicious than of others, no way to know unless investigation was done, whether any of the guys there were involved in any way or the apartment was involved. It would be very strange for the police to just take the guys' word that they hadn't seen Caylee since X date, or just didn't investigate them because Casey didn't say they did it, I would like to eventually know more about how specifically they and the apartment were cleared. A walk through and a couple interviews won't do it for me.

A lot of people say Tony's polygraph "cleared" him, I don't know what questions he was asked, I'd like to see and maybe we will. (Of course polygraphs don't tell the difference between someone who is lying and someone who is telling the truth, you can't put too much stock in them. But I'd still be interested.) (And Tony sounded so strange after the polygraph, the way he was talking, sounded medicated or high IMO.) In the interviews he and the other guys were only asked about Casey. The presumption was always that Casey had done it. So maybe the lie detector test was the same for all I know.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Exactly. That's just one of the reasons I was always amazed there wasn't more investigation of the Sutton Pl apartment.
She (and her car) spent a lot of time there, as did Caylee.

Now, there could be evidence we don't know of from Casey's bedroom or somewhere else that shows exactly where Caylee died, if they had anything like that that early on (I'm not aware of anything) then they might not have been as interested in the Sutton Pl Apartment but should still have investigated TL as much as Casey since he had been at the A house etc with her.

Obviously either MOST of the Sutton Pl guys are completely uninvolved in what happened to Caylee, or ALL of them are. But the police would have no way to know who or if the apartment was involved without investigating.

As experienced as they are, I feel sure they could recognize who was truly shocked by the events and was eager to help in anyway possible, no restrictions, offers to take lie detector tests etc- and who was lying about any and everything and totally unconcerned about the child .
I think TL came into the former category and Casey alone into the latter.

 

[seagull65]

We also have to remember that Tony went undercover for LE in the car with Lee. I dont think he would have done that if he was involved.

Why not? Just to spy on Lee, what did he have to lose? Obviously he wanted to appear helpful. A guilty person would too (though I'm not accusing TL at this point and never have.) I thought the whole thing of having the boyfriend go "undercover" to spy on the worried uncle of the missing child was ridiculous beyond words. I'll always remember when my husband and I saw that on TV, he just looked over at me like, "What? Can this case get any more ridiculous?" and we both just laughed. It really did seem so ridiculous. Not only that the police would think Lee needed to spied on any more than TL, but that they thought anything could be gained from this footage (if Lee was guilty of anything, why would he divulge that to Tony? Doesn't make any sense. They had asked other people if Lee had coerced their statements in any way, remember, so maybe they were hoping that was what he was going to do? Who knows? Annie or whoever it was they had asked that said Lee had not coerced her in any way, just the opposite, he'd told her to tell anything she knew no matter what it was. Anyway....)

The only useful thing about that video IMO, besides the info about the break in at the drug dealer's apartment that came out, is that it showed the state of both Lee and Tony at that time. Lee was frantic with worry, desperately trying to gather information, willing to speak even to the boyfriend that Casey had been with during this time when Caylee went missing, extending this faith that he's a good person who is also desperately helping in the search for Caylee. Lee getting more worried-looking by the minute as he talks to Tony, hearing about the drug dealer whose place was broken into and all that, and seeing Tony's demeanor, (totally uninterested), Tony making cracks about Casey, etc, and otherwise getting so little input from Tony, no questions from Tony, etc. Like talking to a wall. I can't imagine how Lee felt seeing Tony sit there, it was so obvious from everything he said, and everything he DIDN'T ASK how little he cared. This was just an inconvenience for him having to sit there and spend those minutes talking to Lee. After Lee leaves Tony actually cracked a joke about him to the police. I found that so heartless. The guy's 2 1/2 year old niece was missing. Very unimpressive. Doesn't make him a murderer of course or involved in any way!

 

[seagull65]

As experienced as they are, I feel sure they could recognize who was truly shocked by the events and was eager to help in anyway possible, no restrictions, offers to take lie detector tests etc- and who was lying about any and everything and totally unconcerned about the child .
I think TL came into the former category and Casey alone into the latter.

I wish I could assume the same things, ZsaZsa, wish LE themselves were natural lie detectors, or that polygraphs were. I agree with you that the detectives seemed very experienced. And I liked them personally. I imagine they are probably very good people. And like I say, they could already have had definitive proof of Caylee having died at the A home that we just haven't seen yet.

Of course experienced or no, politics sometimes go on in some police departments, not pointing a finger at this one at ALL as I don't know anything about this particular police department, but the history of some police departments in Florida is well...interesting. No criticism of Florida, I love the state, used to live in Tampa and loved it.

p.s. I do think the A's hurt their image by not offering to take lie detector tests. But I have heard some people say that they know lie detectors are not reliable because they personally have tried it and were told they were being deceptive about things that they weren't. The A's might have been distrustful of lie detectors or maybe even just distrustful of the police. Only guessing though

 

[seagull65]

Seagull are you suspicious that Tony in someway abused Caylee, murdered her or helped hide her body?

I have never accused Tony and don't suspect him any more than others, but at the same time I find it hard to believe when anyone doesn't think he should have been one of the focuses of police investigation. The old friends of Casey's said the same thing to LE, their minds immediately went to this new guy she's just been hanging out with during this time frame, this whole new crowd. Since Caylee's disappearance coincides with Casey becoming part of TL's group and frequenting his apartment and Fusian. And he'd been at her house, he'd been in her car, she and her car had been at his place so much, she'd had Caylee at his place, her car had most likely sat at his place when she was out with him in his car, she was still living at his house up til her arrest hanging out with him and his friends full time, etc, he places himself at her car during the decomp period but says he didn't smell anything unusual, he places himself at the scene when she was abandoning the car at Amscot, among other things. Also, the similarity between Caylee's taped face and the movie Tony had rented at the Blockbuster on the 16th, etc, which many people here have pointed out. I'd still like to know who he was on the phone with in the Blockbuster footage and who it was in the group who had suggested getting that particular movie, was it TL, Casey, or one of the friends on the phone? I would doubt she was the one clamoring to see that movie, but you never know. Also, why was she wearing what looked like clothes maybe borrowed from him? Also, I found Tony's earliest texts or emails to her after meeting her strange, calling her a sneaking or lying b**** for having plans with Amy, for example. Also the fact he was involved in breaking into her father's shed instead of getting gas some other way, etc. JMO

 

[CBTampa]

I have never accused Tony and don't suspect him any more than others, but at the same time I find it hard to believe when anyone doesn't think he should have been one of the focuses of police investigation. The old friends of Casey's said the same thing to LE, their minds immediately went to this new guy she's just been hanging out with during this time frame, this whole new crowd. Since Caylee's disappearance coincides with Casey becoming part of TL's group and frequenting his apartment and Fusian. And he'd been at her house, he'd been in her car, she and her car had been at his place so much, she'd had Caylee at his place, her car had most likely sat at his place when she was out with him in his car, she was still living at his house up til her arrest hanging out with him and his friends full time, etc, he places himself at her car during the decomp period but says he didn't smell anything unusual, he places himself at the scene when she was abandoning the car at Amscot, among other things. Also, the similarity between Caylee's taped face and the movie Tony had rented at the Blockbuster on the 16th, etc, which many people here have pointed out. I'd still like to know who he was on the phone with in the Blockbuster footage and who it was in the group who had suggested getting that particular movie, was it TL, Casey, or one of the friends on the phone? I would doubt she was the one clamoring to see that movie, but you never know. Also, why was she wearing what looked like clothes maybe borrowed from him? Also, I found Tony's earliest texts or emails to her after meeting her strange, calling her a sneaking or lying b**** for having plans with Amy, for example. JMO

You don't really think that if Tony L. had anything to do with the disapearance and murder of Caylee that KC would go down alone do you?

 

[doogiesgirl]

well.....he was treated very well by police and he and his roommates and their apartment seemed to be eliminated amazingly early on. LOL

when you consider that there was a missing child (who in fact LE were presuming to be dead judging from all their actions and statements, and they knew this was the apartment where Casey was living right up til her arrest and where Casey had brought Caylee frequently prior to her disappearance.)

I was just noticing tonight in his, I think July 22 interview (Tony L), I'd never noticed it before. The detective only said that Tony had "given permission for his phone to be searched", but that no search or download was going to occur on his phone, his phone was not searched. The detective stated that LE was "unable to download" from his phone due to their software, so instead they just took a photo of the June 2 picture of Caylee on his phone. Period. Okay..... I had never noticed that before. Wonder what was so unusual about his phone that LE wouldn't be able to download from it? :waitasec:

and Cameron also said in one of the early interviews he had just gotten a new phone, but did they take in the new one or get the old one?

anyway, amazing to me. Was a search done on their phones later? Or the other roommates (Nate/Clint?). And only a fast walk-through of the apartment to verify that Caylee wasn't there. Amazing in a case where a child was missing (and by all appearances actually presumed to be dead by the police....)

maybe TL's step dad or whoever it was, his parents had already spoken to LE at this point? Amazing to me how TL was made LE's best friend and "helper" right from the start. I could never understand it. It just didn't make sense to me in a missing child case. JMO

Pretty sure AL took a polygraph and passed. And they found what he'd told them to be the truth, he cooperated with LE in every way, these things can't be said about KC. .....so, IMO you are barking up the wrong tree. As the mother of sons.....I personally feel sorry for this guy.

MOO

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I just see the ones of Tony, but not Casey. I don't recognize any of the other people in there though.

Casey is in pic 46 (clear shot of her laughing face)
pic 49 (all the way at the end of the bar, facing away from the camera)
pic 44 (all the way at the end of the bar, facing away from the camera)
pic 60 (hugging a guy)

 

[Intermezzo]

Exactly. That's just one of the reasons I was always amazed there wasn't more investigation of the Sutton Pl apartment.
She (and her car) spent a lot of time there, as did Caylee.

Now, there could be evidence we don't know of from Casey's bedroom (at the A's house) or somewhere else that shows exactly where Caylee died, if they had anything like that that early on (I'm not aware of anything) then they might not have been as interested in the Sutton Pl Apartment but should still have investigated TL as much as Casey since he had been at the A house etc with her.

Obviously either MOST of the Sutton Pl guys are completely uninvolved in what happened to Caylee, or ALL of them are. But the police would have no way to know who or if the apartment was involved without investigating.

I will agree Casey and her car spent a lot of time at Sutton Place
But I will disagree that Caylee spent a lot of time there. What do you consider a lot of time? IIRC Caylee went 2 maybe 3 times to TL's apartment.

TL was only at the A's house one time, if there are other times he went there please let me know, I must have missed something. :waitasec:

Have we seen discovery documents showing LE had investigated the apartment? if only because that is where Casey spent most of her time after Caylee disappeared. Do we know?

 

[Imbackon]

I have never accused Tony and don't suspect him any more than others, but at the same time I find it hard to believe when anyone doesn't think he should have been one of the focuses of police investigation. The old friends of Casey's said the same thing to LE, their minds immediately went to this new guy she's just been hanging out with during this time frame, this whole new crowd. Since Caylee's disappearance coincides with Casey becoming part of TL's group and frequenting his apartment and Fusian. And he'd been at her house, he'd been in her car, she and her car had been at his place so much, she'd had Caylee at his place, her car had most likely sat at his place when she was out with him in his car, she was still living at his house up til her arrest hanging out with him and his friends full time, etc, he places himself at her car during the decomp period but says he didn't smell anything unusual, he places himself at the scene when she was abandoning the car at Amscot, among other things. Also, the similarity between Caylee's taped face and the movie Tony had rented at the Blockbuster on the 16th, etc, which many people here have pointed out. I'd still like to know who he was on the phone with in the Blockbuster footage and who it was in the group who had suggested getting that particular movie, was it TL, Casey, or one of the friends on the phone? I would doubt she was the one clamoring to see that movie, but you never know. Also, why was she wearing what looked like clothes maybe borrowed from him? Also, I found Tony's earliest texts or emails to her after meeting her strange, calling her a sneaking or lying b**** for having plans with Amy, for example. Also the fact he was involved in breaking into her father's shed instead of getting gas some other way, etc. JMO

Seagull, after reading most everypost of yours, I have to comment.
Using your method of investigation, where any and everyone even remotely related to a case is endlessly investigated, would spin most cases into an endless loop and quickly turn into a cold case.

While initial investigations should be open minded, eventually at some point the desire is to have focus on a suspect. NOTHING KC DID ALLOWED HER TO BE REMOVED FROM THEIR FOCUS due to her lying, opportunity, and her reactions to having a "kidnapped" child.
If there was ever even one reason for the police to refocus on anther suspect, don't you think LE would have done so? They want to find the REAL MURDERER as much if not more than the rest of us!
Do you think they are inept or intentionally trying to convict an innocent mother? I certainly don't.
Cold cases become cold because either a suspect doesn't come into focus or evidence to move forward cannot be obtained.
LE had plenty of reason to go down the path they did as far as I can see.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I wish I could assume the same things, ZsaZsa, wish LE themselves were natural lie detectors, or that polygraphs were. I agree with you that the detectives seemed very experienced. And I liked them personally. I imagine they are probably very good people. And like I say, they could already have had definitive proof of Caylee having died at the A home that we just haven't seen yet.

Of course experienced or no, politics sometimes go on in some police departments, not pointing a finger at this one at ALL as I don't know anything about this particular police department, but the history of some police departments in Florida is well...interesting. No criticism of Florida, I love the state, used to live in Tampa and loved it.

p.s. I do think the A's hurt their image by not offering to take lie detector tests. But I have heard some people say that they know lie detectors are not reliable because they personally have tried it and were told they were being deceptive about things that they weren't. The A's might have been distrustful of lie detectors or maybe even just distrustful of the police. Only guessing though

On the contrary I am confident that those very experienced Crimes against children and Homicide detectives are very shrewd and have indeed their own finely developed lie detector systems, it is called experience and common sense. They are not going to go flailing around investigating everyone remotely associated with Casey, they will go to the most obvious and work out- in this case they simply did not need to go any further than Casey , and all your wishing, seeking, theorizing, for some other outcome simply will not work.

 

[Imbackon]

One day you decide to wear your favorite old pair of jeans that you haven't worn in awhile.

Sadly, you soon realize the waistline feels a little tight and the snap keeps popping open.
Do you check the web querying on the qualities of jean material that might make them shrink?
Call the manufacturer to see if their snaps are faulty?
Check the troubleshooting guide for your dryer to see if clothes shrinkage is a problem?
OR DO YOU SIMPLY STAND ON YOUR SCALE TO SEE IF YOU'VE GAINED WEIGHT?

If you discover you've gained about 10 pounds the last few months, do you still querying the web, call the jean manufacturer or check out your dryer? Or do you set about trying to lose that extra 10 pounds?

 

[ZsaZsa]

One day you decide to wear your favorite old pair of jeans that you haven't worn in awhile.

Sadly, you soon realize the waistline feels a little tight and the snap keeps popping open.
Do you check the web querying on the qualities of jean material that might make them shrink?
Call the manufacturer to see if their snaps are faulty?
Check the troubleshooting guide for your dryer to see if clothes shrinkage is a problem?
OR DO YOU SIMPLY STAND ON YOUR SCALE TO SEE IF YOU'VE GAINED WEIGHT?

If you discover you've gained about 10 pounds the last few months, do you still querying the web, call the jean manufacturer or check out your dryer? Or do you set about trying to lose that extra 10 pounds?

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[The World According]

One day you decide to wear your favorite old pair of jeans that you haven't worn in awhile.

Sadly, you soon realize the waistline feels a little tight and the snap keeps popping open.
Do you check the web querying on the qualities of jean material that might make them shrink?
Call the manufacturer to see if their snaps are faulty?
Check the troubleshooting guide for your dryer to see if clothes shrinkage is a problem?
OR DO YOU SIMPLY STAND ON YOUR SCALE TO SEE IF YOU'VE GAINED WEIGHT?

If you discover you've gained about 10 pounds the last few months, do you still querying the web, call the jean manufacturer or check out your dryer? Or do you set about trying to lose that extra 10 pounds?

I am glad Tony helped LE!!! He told her he would!!

 

[Reagan]

I will agree Casey and her car spent a lot of time at Sutton Place
But I will disagree that Caylee spent a lot of time there. What do you consider a lot of time? IIRC Caylee went 2 maybe 3 times to TL's apartment.

TL was only at the A's house one time, if there are other times he went there please let me know, I must have missed something. :waitasec:

Have we seen discovery documents showing LE had investigated the apartment? if only because that is where Casey spent most of her time after Caylee disappeared. Do we know?

During the audio interview with both Tony L and Cameron C, LE spent a significant portion of that searching through their apartment while the two were question. They FULLY COOPERATED.

I am confident that LE fully looked into all of the men in KC's life in the beginning, and came up with the same conclusion each time. KC acted alone and these pour souls were completely unaware of anything until crap hit the fan.

Sorry but these circular arguments are becoming tiresome. It's always good to look at all parties involved, but we've beaten that horse to death. Resurrected him only to beat him to death again.

Besides, how hard is it to believe that KC did this by herself? She had a story which was debunked immediately...and she threw her child's body mere minutes from her parents house. Not a lot of forethought to that. She didn't even try.
People give KC way too much credit.