Casey Anthony VS Hacking, Peterson and others

[tuppence]

I also recently read about the Diane Downs case and found what I believe speaks to that way of thinking/speaking.

When Diane brought her kids into the ER she was quoted as having said "Do you mean the bullet missed his heart? Gee whiz!" when told one of her children didn't die from his injuries.

Downs was really concerned with calling the married man she was obsessed with at the time. Her attitude was also very suspicious because she was very calm and collected just like Casey Anthony.

She even commented to the ER nurse how embarassed she was because she was out in public with no make up on (I'm not making this up).

Additionally, Diane's ex-husband when asked if he thought she could harm the kids. He said no way, but obviously he was wrong.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/downs/index_1.html

I had never heard of this case but after reading from your link I agree! This sounds like Casey to me. The lack of normal emotion about things. The children disposed of because they were in the way of a relationship. It makes me lean more toward the possibility that Casey killed Caylee on purpose so she could be with Tony. If it was an accident I think there would be more emotion.

 

[tuppence]

I think the difference among them as far as Hacking goes is that Mark Hacking actually possessed a conscience. I don't think he was a sociopath. I think he was mentally tortured...felt so inadequate and unworthy as the person he really was that he had to invent something better. I don't think it was because he was narcissistic. I think it was the other extreme. He felt he wasn't good enough. For a lot of reasons, I think there was more to his actions than just wanting to get someone out of the way. I wish we could've seen some psychological evaluations.

The reason I say he had a conscience, unlike the others, is because he did confess and give details and he didn't try to get out of it. He knew he needed and deserved to be punished, and he cared enough about his family and Lori's that he didn't want to add even further to their grief and misery by dragging it out and trying to get off the hook. That's how I see him, anyway, just my own personal feeling.

He's the only one I've ever felt a tiny bit sorry for -- not that he should escape punishment in any way, but I felt sorry for him that he viewed himself as completely worthless and felt he had to invent things like having interviewed at different medical schools and having been accepted at UNC. It came to a head, a point where he couldn't keep fooling everyone, and he snapped like a twig under that realization and literally lost his mind in his panic to try to "fix" things.

I'm NOT defending him whatsoever...I just feel he is not quite in the same class as some of the others. I have no idea what could have possessed Casey to do whatever she's done with Caylee, but her demeanor is much more like Scott Peterson than the others mentioned, IMO -- arrogant, thinking she can fool everyone and involving her family in the whole mess, to boot.

Thing is, I think Peterson is actually much smarter (relatively speaking) than Casey...and look how things turned out for him. I don't see Casey getting away with anything she's done in the long run. She seems to be a pathological liar, IMO, but a pathetic one who isn't clever enough to sustain her lies and formulate any sort of plausible scenario to make this all go away, as she'd hoped to do.

I agree with this whole assessment.

 

[Amberjack]

Sociopaths show a stunning lack of concern for the devastating effects their actions have on others including wives, children, family and friends. They do not feel remorse, guilt or shame. They are not able to care about the pain and suffering experienced by others due to their complete lack of empathy which is a prerequisite for love. Sociopaths are always takers and never givers in spite of appearances and the illusion they create.

 

[wallflower67]

There is and I read up on it. I can't remember what it's called either. But it has to do with the lack of empathy and emotions. If a kid got hit by a car on his bike, you and I would say "his poor mother!". A sociopath would say "his poor bike!" The disconnect makes them use odd phraises and words when they try to express empathy and emotion, because they don't have any.

ETA: and what's weird is I see more of that in Lee and Cindy than Casey. But we've also heard more from Lee and Cindy and it's probably stress related.

And you have to wonder how they can be so freaking stupid that they don't realize they are acting suspiciously????

Not that I would like them to cover up their actions better, but I just don't get it. How can a person be so manipulative and charming when their victims are alive and then act so stupid once they kill them??

 

[ThisJustIn]

And what made Susan Smith and Mark Hacking crumble?

Susan Smith crumbled when confronted with the facts by the sheriff. She had claimed that she was car-jacked while stopped at a red light at night with no other cars around. It turned out that the light she said she had stopped for stayed green unless there was cross traffic to trigger the signal. If she had stopped for a red light, then there had to be another car (witness) at the intersection, too.

Susan Smith and Mark Hacking were both very emotional when appealing to the public as opposed to the coolness displayed by Scott Peterson and Casey. Well, Casey cried in court, but I think that was more "poor me" than "where's my baby?"

Back during the Susan Smith saga, my hinky meter went off fairly early in the investigation. In her early televised appearances she was wearing glasses. Then in one appearance she removed them before stepping up to the microphones. Later in the week when the story went national, she started appearing without them altogether. Who knows, maybe she wanted them out of the way in case she began crying, but it struck me as inappropriately vain. Kind of like Diane Downs' "no make-up" remark at the hospital.

 

[wallflower67]

Back during the Susan Smith saga, my hinky meter went off fairly early in the investigation. In her early televised appearances she was wearing glasses. Then in one appearance she removed them before stepping up to the microphones. Later in the week when the story went national, she started appearing without them altogether. Who knows, maybe she wanted them out of the way in case she began crying, but it struck me as inappropriately vain. Kind of like Diane Downs' "no make-up" remark at the hospital.

I was pg during the Susan Smith case, and I just knew she had done it. I'm not sure why.

The glasses thing, to me, doesn't mean much. Before I had LASIK, I wore glasses or contacts. Sometimes I just didn't go to the trouble of putting the contacts in, even though my vision was better with them. Also, people are far or nearsighted, (or both in my case!) so that may affect why people put on/take off glasses. I just had LASIK again on one eye, and prior to that, I had a pair of glasses that I wore depending on the lighting. If it was dark or hazy, or poor lighting, I had to have them on. But if I stepped outside into the light, I had to take them off. It was quite annoying, which is why I had the procedure done again!

 

[Vegas Bride]

One thing Casey does NOT have in common with any of the other people listed here. Every one of them went to the trouble of reporting their family member missing! They did have the thought process to put on the show of actually missing them and what would be the appropriate thing to do then as far as asking if others had seen them etc.
Casey's story is that she dropped Caylee off with the nanny and when she went to get her they were gone. Wouldn't it stand to reason then that you would start talking to everybody around there, neighbors, the apartment building manager? This girl has not 1 iota of common sense!

VB

 

[krimekat]

Actually, Scott Peterson did not call 911 - he called Laci's mother, and she called 911. But he did at least tell SOMEONE.

Scott Peterson slipped up to Laci's mom . . . when returning from "fishing" or "golfing" he called Laci's mom & and said, "Laci is missing".

 

[passionflower]

I am reading 'Lori Hacking' (every woman's nightmare)
I also read "ERASERS"............all these people fit the profile.
Casey is surely a narsistic person IMO.........has all the signs.

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

I also recently read about the Diane Downs case and found what I believe speaks to that way of thinking/speaking.

When Diane brought her kids into the ER she was quoted as having said "Do you mean the bullet missed his heart? Gee whiz!" when told one of her children didn't die from his injuries.

Downs was really concerned with calling the married man she was obsessed with at the time. Her attitude was also very suspicious because she was very calm and collected just like Casey Anthony.

She even commented to the ER nurse how embarassed she was because she was out in public with no make up on (I'm not making this up).

Additionally, Diane's ex-husband when asked if he thought she could harm the kids. He said no way, but obviously he was wrong.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/downs/index_1.html

I was reminded of her too when I listened to Casey Anthony's calm voice for the first time. I actually came across a website that her father wrote at some point. Apparently after all of the facts and after her children told on her, her father still believes she is innocent. Talk about an enabler! I think that site was dianedowns.com

 

[wedavis]

Susan Smith crumbled when confronted with the facts by the sheriff. She had claimed that she was car-jacked while stopped at a red light at night with no other cars around. It turned out that the light she said she had stopped for stayed green unless there was cross traffic to trigger the signal. If she had stopped for a red light, then there had to be another car (witness) at the intersection, too.

Susan Smith and Mark Hacking were both very emotional when appealing to the public as opposed to the coolness displayed by Scott Peterson and Casey. Well, Casey cried in court, but I think that was more "poor me" than "where's my baby?"

Back during the Susan Smith saga, my hinky meter went off fairly early in the investigation. In her early televised appearances she was wearing glasses. Then in one appearance she removed them before stepping up to the microphones. Later in the week when the story went national, she started appearing without them altogether. Who knows, maybe she wanted them out of the way in case she began crying, but it struck me as inappropriately vain. Kind of like Diane Downs' "no make-up" remark at the hospital.

You know that reminds me of something. I don't think that George had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance, but gosh darnit doesn't it look like he tans everyday? No one else in the family is that dark.

 

[comomx3]

I love this line- Mark Hacking's family, however, had enough honesty and integrity not to perpetuate the lies, but rather to force Mark to change his tune. They did not enable him.

They probably always held him accountable. This was not a new thing for Mark. He knew the deal. Bad kids happen to good parents.

 

[cloud]

I think the "real" is going to be sepparated from "truth", depenending on whom you talk to, at the time.

Someone's "truth" may be someone elses' reality. Can both co-exhist? Certainly. Can both be true at the same time? I doubt it.

JMHO

 

[Clock's Tickin]

Sadly, folks who have this natural predisposition are drawn to life in abstract already. Most of them reinvent themselves, just as KC did, moving to whole new "friends" on a regular basis and never growing any real attatchment to another living soul. It is those attatchments that can keep a "dissociative" persontality "in touch"--those that never form them are more likely to cause damage by their actions. In the computer age (the age of the blog), I believe we will be reading about more and more of these stories as people grow continually more self absorbed. I think I'll go sign my kids up for a few more "social" activites this afternoon!

 

[cloud]

Sociopaths show a stunning lack of concern for the devastating effects their actions have on others including wives, children, family and friends. They do not feel remorse, guilt or shame. They are not able to care about the pain and suffering experienced by others due to their complete lack of empathy which is a prerequisite for love. Sociopaths are always takers and never givers in spite of appearances and the illusion they create.

Well, I can think of one quick remedy to that.... called jail.

This may sound harsh, but I actually think it may serve her well - the discipline, a routine... whatever. Pity it can no longer help Caylee in any way.

Still, one has to start somewhere. I think she'd be well advised to do that. (after she serves time for killing her child).

All just my opinion.

 

[logicalgirl]

After watching and listening to Casey since she was arrested, I sincerely hope there is no "after" her jail time. Just LWOP :furious:

 

[Melanie]

Personally, I would compare the CA case to the ongoing Kyron Horman case.

• 
  Freedom -- if TH did this, it was to get rid of Kyron so she could have Kaine and baby K to herself. Casey wanted her freedom as well.
  
  Lies - both TH and CA lied about a lot of stuff. TH - drinking, sexting, MFH plot
  
  Missing - both children mysteriously seen with the last known person they were with
  
  Exes and parents, spouses - lots of drama in both cases. From the ex's coming forward, to TH now living with her parents. Dede Spicer and Amy H front and center.
  

All just my opinion. Will TH crack -- I think she's a lot like CA personality wise, and won't say a word. Who can go on sexting when a child is missing? Both TH and CA. Though CA was with a guy while CA was missing.

Too much the same in personality I say - and we probably won't hear a word from TH.

Mel

 

[Bobbisangel]

I hate it when I am reading along and then realize that the post is from 2008 or some year other then this year. I wish there was a way to say..."old post."

 

[TorisMom003]

Susan Smith crumbled when confronted with the facts by the sheriff. She had claimed that she was car-jacked while stopped at a red light at night with no other cars around. It turned out that the light she said she had stopped for stayed green unless there was cross traffic to trigger the signal. If she had stopped for a red light, then there had to be another car (witness) at the intersection, too.

Susan Smith and Mark Hacking were both very emotional when appealing to the public as opposed to the coolness displayed by Scott Peterson and Casey. Well, Casey cried in court, but I think that was more "poor me" than "where's my baby?"

Back during the Susan Smith saga, my hinky meter went off fairly early in the investigation. In her early televised appearances she was wearing glasses. Then in one appearance she removed them before stepping up to the microphones. Later in the week when the story went national, she started appearing without them altogether. Who knows, maybe she wanted them out of the way in case she began crying, but it struck me as inappropriately vain. Kind of like Diane Downs' "no make-up" remark at the hospital.

Susan Smith actually tried to lie again when confronted about the traffic light that she supposedly was stopped at. She began to tell the investigator that it was another traffic light, he stopped her and said that she knew and he knew that she was telling another lie. He also had a "come to Jesus" type of talk with her to get her to confess.

Sadly I don't think that any of that will work with Casey. She will never admit what she did, she will never tell the truth, her parents will never force her to or believe the evidence.

I have seen where some think that Tony not wanting girls was the reason behind what Casey did but I disagree with that. We have no idea if Tony was being honest with Casey about that or if once again he was pulling her chain to get her upset. I think that it had more to do with the fact that Casey had no sitter for that night and she wanted to spend the night with Tony without Caylee. Sounds harsh and cruel and makes one think that there has to be a "better" motive than that but I do see Casey as being that selfish and concerned only for herself and her wants that anything or anyone that got in her way would be eliminated.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I find Casey to be of considerably lower intelligence than Peterson. Scott was able to have a pretty successful life and knew how to capitalize on his strengths. Casey was an uninspired waste.