Casey Anthony's 'failure to protect' caused Caylee's death, DCF said

[Aedrys]

The money issues should have been the prime motive factor in the court case. I have always felt that Aston really messed the case up by not going that way. Young people party. But only criminal young people steal all the time. It makes sense to me.

Unfortunately, they couldn't mention her stealing during the trial since it was too prejudicial. Ashton's hands were tied on that one, which really sucks to me. I'm guessing since the felony convictions couldn't be brought in, the SA decided to not even talk about the stealing at trial. Without the stealing, and knowing what she did to Amy, I can see at least there where the Pinellas 12 might have some trouble coming up with a motive (just a little bit, though, this is not excuse for their verdict). I guess I'm saying it was a lot clearer to a lot of us who knew what a thief Casey was that Casey was guilty. All the Pinellas 12 saw was a girl who did not work and lied about it, but was supported fully by her parents and so was her child. Little financial motivation to kill Caylee there (in the Pinella's minds).

 

[21merc7]

But the report is specifically talking about the checks Casey stole from Amy. I have a hard time seeing how they can rationalize that one crime has nothing to do with the other. At the very least it shows that Casey had the capacity for criminal activity during the very time her daughter was supposedly missing. Also, she didn't try to use any of that stolen money to try to find Caylee. It's not like she was using it to hire a PI or print "have you seen me?" posters.

I see what you are saying.

The stealing was not related to Caylee in that she was not doing so to feed Caylee, house her, clothe her, and so on.

She was just committing crimes. Many people that commit crimes retain custody of their children. DCF is there for any crime "against the child."

I'm not very good at explaining things...

 

[lauriej]

Great point. And other DCS reports were released. I know, I read them. What the heck is going on here?

..these were the 1st DCF reports that were released previously.

..they interviewed kc and cindy for an hour and a half while she was out on bond ( i forgot about the part where kc tells them that caylee's father had set up a trust fund for her...)


http://orlandosentinel.image2.trb.com/orlnews/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF
---DCF reports---william procknow/dawn murray---Casey Anthony

 

[Schu7]

Unfortunately, they couldn't mention her stealing during the trial since it was too prejudicial.

Please correct me if I am wrong here. But if the State lays out stealing in the stated time frame as "motive" does that not make the stealing evidence. Not rejected prejudicial material???

I should add also, that being a circumstantial case, the prosecution is usually allowed more latitude in proving motive.

 

[KathrynL]

The money issues should have been the prime motive factor in the court case. I have always felt that Aston really messed the case up by not going that way. Young people party. But only criminal young people steal all the time. It makes sense to me.

That is a good point..but I thought the judge ruled that her crimes against Amy couldn't come in. And CA would never have testified to the rest of it, if allowed to. To this day I can't believe what they did have-her failure to report Caylee missing and her month long partying/Tony spree wasn't compelling the the Pinella's 12. Not to mention the stench in her car. Not to mention everything that would have gone with Caylee to a sitters was in the stinky car. And on and on......
moo & moo

 

[krt]

Just read the full report.....here is what sticks out to me:

1. Page 3. initially reportered that she had left Caylee with a babysitter she didn't know very well. The initial report was with BOTH FCA and CA.......WHY DID CA GO ALONG WITH THIS?

2. Page 6. Jully 12th....just THREE days PRIOR TO THE 911 call......maternal grandparents were concerned and confronted her. I take that as they talked to her face to face....I WONDER WHERE I THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T SEE HER FOR WEEKS???

3. Page 7 FCA mentions the father's first name, denied contact AND doesn't pay child support yet NEVER STATES HE DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT and then I hear from earlier reports also that Caylee's father is "setting up a trust fund for her?

I am sooooooooo freakin angry right now...............:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[QueenD]

I wonder how Cheney Mason likes this little report. And how the jury feels knowing they believed a trumped up story. How many disconnects and mis-steps need to be corrected in this legal system in Orange County? And now we hear that although there are hundreds of thousands of dollars owed for court fines and fees that the auditor who would be in charge of making sure that people are truly indigent was let go with budget problems?

Why not just close the court system there? Because surely if they can pay $361,000 for a jury to be housed, eat and transported only to have the trial end up in this mess, something needs to be fixed.

He'll prolly get on TV tonight and threaten to sue DCF for publicizing this report.

 

[LancelotLink]

What's disconcerting to me is that matters were so clear to DFS and yet so terribly unclear (?) to the Pinellas 12. Then again, it took DFS 3 years and not 11 hours (or less) to come to a conclusion.

I am totally flummoxed at the timing of this report's release. What the heck? I wonder what DFS has to say for itself in the news conference/presser...

Probably the same line from before, with Rilya Wilson. Don't blame us...:banghead:

 

[Aedrys]

Please correct me if I am wrong here. But if the State lays out stealing in the stated time frame as "motive" does that not make the stealing evidence. Not rejected prejudicial material???

I should add also, that being a circumstantial case, the prosecution is usually allowed move latitude in proving motive.

They mentioned it to prove she wasn't grieving, but they never made more of it than that. They had no one to testify about theft since Cindy surely wouldn't (and would probably intimidate any family members to keep them from testifying because you don't cross the Anthony's), and the judge ruled against letting what happened to Amy H come in. Who was going to get on the stand and testify about Casey stealing? They had no one, and Baez would have whined and whined about it if they did. It would have been yet another mess at trial. I hate that HHJP ruled against allowing the felonies. Amy H testifying about it would have been riveting, I bet.

 

[azwriter]

I was reading New York Post yesterday(don't know if anyone already posted this),but George and Sindy are scouting for publishers for a book deal,and wanting to do an interview with Anderson Cooper's show for a mere $450.000.What nerve do these people have.Lots,huh?By the way,I'm new to this forum,but already know I enjoy it,just by looking it over!

:welcome:

 

[The Wrong Zebra]

IMO this report came out now because somebody realized that Lee and Mallory could start a family and Casey is now free to reproduce as well, when they assumed she would be a non-issue and locked up in jail for the rest of her life. George and Cindy were likely mentioned IMO because they could be caretakers of future grandchildren or possibly take on foster children in an attempt to change their public image. Maybe DCF figured they needed to get something in the record in case of future interaction with the Anthony clan.

 

[natsound]

The feds need to charge her with a damn crime. They could if they wanted to.

 

[LancelotLink]

The timing of this release is smelling stinky to me! The community will now be enraged again, just in time to prove the DT's assertion that it is dangerous for FICA to be back in O town. There should be an explanation of why it was released TODAY, not before the trial and not next week after HHJBP rules.

I totally agree!!

 

[Schu7]

They mentioned it to prove she wasn't grieving, but they never made more of it than that. They had no one to testify about theft since Cindy surely wouldn't (and would probably intimidate any family members to keep them from testifying because you don't cross the Anthony's), and the judge ruled against letting what happened to Amy H come in. Who was going to get on the stand and testify about Casey stealing? They had no one, and Baez would have whined and whined about it if they did. It would have been yet another mess at trial. I hate that HHJP ruled against allowing the felonies. Amy H testifying about it would have been riveting, I bet.

They had all the bank checks and credit card withdrawals. Take them one at a time and not even Cindy could lie her way out of the constant stealing. And the grand parents stolen check. And they had Amy's fraudulent checks as well. The paper work would have brought the truth out IMO

 

[21merc7]

The feds need to charge her with a damn crime. They could if they wanted to.

I agree, they did get involved to look for Caylee so there is that "investigation" issue again. Don't know if they would take the time to do it, or if they are willing to take it through the system. Seems like a good one to me. I don't even know if they can, but I like the idea of it.

 

[logicalgirl]

I wonder how Cheney Mason likes this little report. And how the jury feels knowing they believed a trumped up story. How many disconnects and mis-steps need to be corrected in this legal system in Orange County? And now we hear that although there are hundreds of thousands of dollars owed for court fines and fees that the auditor who would be in charge of making sure that people are truly indigent was let go with budget problems?

Why not just close the court system there? Because surely if they can pay $361,000 for a jury to be housed, eat and transported only to have the trial end up in this mess, something needs to be fixed.

Now you have gotten to the point I am at! We can't do anything about the NG verdict except to continue to make ourselves sick about it because we have no outlet for our anger - but I like this kind of stuff - permanent record stuff on the history records of a convicted felon. Every little bit helps! IMO

 

[azwriter]

:banghead:

Yeah. This report is worth about the same amount as the losing Power Ball ticket I'm holding.

jmo

 

[Schu7]

Surely Nancy will be "bomb-shelling" it tonight!!!

 

[badme102]

And the Pinellas 12 thought Casey was a good mother!

Disgusting, isn't it? I think once the jurons names are released, I will mail them each a copy of this report.

 

[KathrynL]

Surely Nancy will be "bomb-shelling" it tonight!!!

:floorlaugh: