Quote Respect LambChop :cool2:
I have gone back and forth re: the fight on the 15th(sometimes I think it happened or didn't happen or that it was the catalyst or wasn't the catalyst for Casey doing what she did to Caylee in the manner that she did), and exactly
when (on the 16th) Caylee was killed.
Was there the fight and Casey ran into her room with Caylee(the pings, as far as I know, show that Casey stayed at George and Cindy's the night of the 15th and was there until 4(?)p.m. on the 16th)and Casey sedated Caylee as the first part and then wrapped the duct tape later?
I wish, so wish I knew if George
really saw Casey and Caylee leave that day. Maybe Caylee was already gone, killed in Casey's room and then put in the trunk and Casey then drove to Tony's and then on to Blockbuster...?
If George really saw a live Caylee in the afternoon of the 16th, then Casey had to have killed Caylee in the time they left for "work" and the time Casey showed up at Tony's, which is only a few hours. That is where I see Casey as cold and calculating while killing Caylee. Casey had hours to calm down, still able to be mad at Cindy but would not have been in a direct rage while killing Caylee.
Where else would George be in the afternoon? I feel like he was home...but maybe he didn't see them. The fact that Cindy and George changed the story about seeing Caylee on the 16th makes me wonder if he did actually see Caylee. First they said George gave Caylee breakfast, then they backed off of that detail and just had George sitting in his chair "watching his favorite show" when Casey and Caylee appear ready to head out of the house. At one point George is quoted as saying he put Caylee in her car seat himself, but that was backed off from and I think the hugs and kisses "everything normal" was always a part of the story. We have Cindy stating she could "hear them breathe" and so she knew her girls were home.
Some part of my mind sees Casey carrying a "gone" Caylee past George with some excuse of her being asleep. And, it being later after Casey is arrested and George and Cindy are putting it all together they realize Caylee must have been gone then? Please excuse my wild speculations, as with my last post on this thread I am feeling a need to clean house of some of the information and thoughts that have been running though my mind since reading about this case. Glad I am on a psych thread! :crazy:
I think I understand what you were saying LambChop, that unless Casey's "rage" caused her to run right to Caylee, while in that rage, and wrap duct tape around her(speculation of sedation, speculation of injection for sedation)...
NO, no no...I think I have answered myself and I do agree with what you are saying. Who does all that in a rage? That's not rage, that's a plan, that takes steps. Had Caylee been shook to death, or pushed down stairs or even choked...that's rage like I think we are talking about: blind rage, seeing red after being pushed so far by Cindy(after already having issues that may or may not include incest/molestation), Casey snaps and takes all that rage out on Caylee. That is what the evidence would show, if that is what happened. But, (again, answering myself here coming to awful realizations that I have kept at bay precisely because I did not want to assume Casey had done the worst that must be seen by the evidence because the SA asked for the death penalty) that is not what the evidence shows.
The duct tape. That is it. WSers have been saying that is what is behind all the "crazy" motions JB and the team have/are filling. What's behind all the going after TES so much...hafta get rid of the duct tape.
Duct tape is why when the detectives were trying to give Casey every out there was, regarding what had happened to Caylee and where Caylee was: they tried to understand what had happened might have only been an accident, might have been a mistake that Casey was sorry for and hadn't meant to happen. But, Casey couldn't say anything
because of the duct tape, and she didn't know the shape the tape would be in, she was thinking of the duct tape and Caylee the way she had last seen her, at Universal Casey didn't know Caylee was in the condition she would be found in. I think now, that some of her smugness since, is in knowing the shape of the tape(that it can be "argued" and is being "argued" as to whether there was duct tape or if it was really wrapped around the skull, etc)and believing that without the duct tape there is no way people will know how mean Casey was, and how on purpose she killed Caylee. Is that why during the SA's version of the wrapping of the duct tape Casey wanted "to make him stop?"
To clarify: what "the seeker" said in a post on this page: "it was personal" and I think I can say I get what LambChop was saying: you don't get over a rage where you kill your daughter with duct tape and throw her in the trunk in time to show up calm at blockbuster and rent movies about people who get kidnapped. It shows Casey was cruel. What she did to Caylee was cruel and calculating. Where is the emoticon for heartbreaking, when you think of what
really happened to Caylee Marie. :snooty:
Why didn't Cindy want Caylee found? Her body found? We have threads on what Cindy knew and when she knew it, I am personally convinced that Cindy knew early enough to send DC to the woods, where he was almost exactly where Caylee's remains would later be found. Even if Cindy realized that Casey had killed Caylee or there had been an accident or whatever...why be so against Caylee being found? WSers have speculated that Cindy wanted to keep the money train going and that Cindy was going with the no body means Casey couldn't have killed Caylee and I agree with both of those motivations plus others like Cindy can't look like she has a bad family etc....but I wonder if Cindy knew(maybe just because she knows Casey, not that she knew for a fact)that Casey would have done something "horrible" to Caylee and it would show on or in the body? I.E. "What have you done?" "Casey is a sociopath." "Casey has issues"(RG: That's what George always said, "Casey has issues".) How the neighbors upon hearing about Caylee's "kidnapping/disappearance" offered right way that: "if Casey had killed Caylee where she might be..." Who said Casey had done this at that time? No one, Caylee was missing/kidnapped and the neighbors and Cindy's own brother were not shocked in the slightest at the idea of Casey killing her daughter. Rick, Cindy's brother was more shocked that Cindy wasn't shaking the truth out of Casey. What is the most crazy about the Bailey's and their prediction regarding where Casey had put Caylee, is they were right. How do you dismiss that people, neighbors, saw in Casey the potential to dump her child near her home before anyone should have thought Caylee was dead? They were able to jump right to the idea that Caylee was dead and jump over the idea of if Casey was capable of that, right to stating where they thought Casey would put Caylee's body. Am I making too much of this? If I had a child and they were missing(abet 31 days), I would hope my neighbors wouldn't jump right to telling the police where they think I put the body, right? I think that would say a lot about me, and not in a positive way. Annie Dowling said everyone knew Casey lied all the time...
I would like to see how the animals at George and Cindy's house react to Casey.
I am sorry to be all over the place and looking back over my own post I see that I have come to the realization, that Casey putting the duct tape on Caylee has no other purpose than showing what happened to Caylee was cruel and on purpose to be cruel to Caylee.
Rage would be violence, but what Casey did to Caylee was cruel. That is what the duct tape shows. (And if there was sedation...even more so)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruelty
Cruelty can be described as indifference to suffering,
and even positive pleasure in inflicting it. Cruel ways of inflicting suffering may involve violence, but affirmative violence is not necessary for an act to be cruel. For example, if a person is drowning and begging for help, and another person is able to help, but merely watches with disinterest or perhaps mischievous amusement, that person is being cruel rather than violent.
I haven not even been able to begin to process whether or not I think Casey received pleasure from hurting, murdering Caylee. I do not know one bit what I think about that, only because that is hard to think about. I just got here, to the cruelty...so now what appears is the "truth" that you wouldn't be wrapping duct tape and feeling "bad" while doing so? Does the duct tape mean Casey gained some kind of satisfaction in hurting Caylee? The duct tape
is no accident, which is why it is so damming, many WSers have been saying since the beginning. Is that what she means by "maybe because I'm a spiteful *****?" Because, Cindy was asking why she couldn't see Caylee(thinking Caylee was still alive and safe with someone)and Casey was answering knowing she had wrapped three pieces of duct tape around Caylee and put her in her trunk and then after two days threw her in the woods near her home.
I still wonder what Casey thought she was going to have to finally do about George and Cindy? How was she going to explain them never being able to see Caylee or hear Caylee's voice ever again?
ETA: Great find on the picture guys, I have never seen that before. I also wonder who this person is, and find I have a reaction to said picture that is truly jmo... :sick:
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