Casey & Family Psychological Profile #10

[LambChop]

Her behavior can't help but make ya wonder if helping Casey is even her intent. Or could this be payback Cindy style?:waitasec:

I would say in this last doc dump the letter CA wrote in July of this year, I believe, where she send a picture of Caylee and wrote about having your identity stolen. I believe CA has played the payback game before. May be this was why KC ignored her mother during this past Status Hearing. jmo

 

[Reagan]

Maybe there's more than one spiteful b$tch in the family.
Now that wouldn't surprise me at all!

I count four of 'em...IMO.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

haha yeah I noticed that. a little late though, sorry for taking your idea! Maybe she'll take 'em both off our hands?

You two are bad. I know, introduce them to one another. Then they can sit around and discuss how wacky their sisters are - ha! :crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Then she'd be a very different person...

That is so nice of you to say OLG. I hope you're right as the jury is still out (teenage son). Different world these days, I heard someone refer to it as the "I-space generation"! I'd call it the 'I know-it-all already' generation. Come to think of it though, teenagers have always been that way I think!

silent generation (30's & 40's)
baby boomers/enter hard rock'n roll (me)
generation me/technology (70/80's kids)
I-spacers

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Maybe there's more than one spiteful b$tch in the family.
Now that wouldn't surprise me at all!

Oh there's no doubt in my mind about that - no doubt!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

This is such an enormous amount of conversation in these 10 threads on the family psych, and I've tried to get through most of it but it's two years worth of chit chat and discussion, so really I'm just going to apologize up front if this has been discussed, but I'm going to go ahead and throw out an observation/question here at the end anyway.

I was re-watching the jail visit of Just George from August 3. It's a two part segment (part 1 here for reference if necessary http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html). It was almost completely embarrassing to watch, and I wondered if there is a clinical term for what George does here. He makes this endless use of lists in his conversation. He starts out by telling Casey that everybody loves her and asks about her. "Your mother, brother, aunts, uncles, gosh, friends, neighbors..." inserting the "gosh" to sort of show he's about to expand his list. Then it's "t-shirts, buttons, flyers, gosh, emails, letters, cards..." Almost every sentence is a LIST. Is there some psychological reasoning behind this, or is it just the way he is? It goes on and on throughout the 45 minutes, list after list after list.

 

[Numbers]

This is such an enormous amount of conversation in these 10 threads on the family psych, and I've tried to get through most of it but it's two years worth of chit chat and discussion, so really I'm just going to apologize up front if this has been discussed, but I'm going to go ahead and throw out an observation/question here at the end anyway.

I was re-watching the jail visit of Just George from August 3. It's a two part segment (part 1 here for reference if necessary http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html). It was almost completely embarrassing to watch, and I wondered if there is a clinical term for what George does here. He makes this endless use of lists in his conversation. He starts out by telling Casey that everybody loves her and asks about her. "Your mother, brother, aunts, uncles, gosh, friends, neighbors..." inserting the "gosh" to sort of show he's about to expand his list. Then it's "t-shirts, buttons, flyers, gosh, emails, letters, cards..." Almost every sentence is a LIST. Is there some psychological reasoning behind this, or is it just the way he is? It goes on and on throughout the 45 minutes, list after list after list.

Overdose of Listerine??




[Sorry - couldn't resist.]

George has no comfort zone in his communication with Casey. He resorts to lists to take up space and time - so he doesn't have to talk about serious things. George makes noise, not sense.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Overdose of Listerine??




[Sorry - couldn't resist.]

George has no comfort zone in his communication with Casey. He resorts to lists to take up space and time - so he doesn't have to talk about serious things. George makes noise, not sense.

So like a filler. I get that. Makes sense, thanks so much!!!

 

[OneLostGrl]

You two are bad. I know, introduce them to one another. Then they can sit around and discuss how wacky their sisters are - ha! :crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[affinity]

So like a filler. I get that. Makes sense, thanks so much!!!

I haven't seen the GA & CA jail conversation in a long time..but what I remember about it is how it seemed like they did not know each other at all. He talked to her (and she to him) like polite neighbors...very weird. I know they were aware of being taped, but still their discomfort was apparent. GA always seems to fall into the role of "motivational speaker"..and I think I remember reading somewhere that he was at one time someone who would be get in front of groups and talk (maybe rotary club or something)..that would explain his ease at speaking at the memorial. I find GA to be one of the most interesting characters involved because he seems so completely devoid of substance. (Well, that description fits them all)..but in GA's case he seems the best at faking warmth....making one wonder if he doesn't actually have more capacity for genuine feelings than the rest of them...does he? Well, we'll never know. I honestly wish I could have a conversation with him..I know it would be like talking to a post--but it would be interesting. They are Shakespearean in pathology.

 

[Wysteria]

Out of curiosity, I just ran the BRACE Character Profile correlations for Casey and President Obama. The only significant correlation, positive or negative, is for Type B characteristics deriving primarily from the Existential or Motivational domain. [Some of the Type C correlations are unclear because Casey had the same scores for all related items and there was no standard deviation. It would take someone more knowledgeable about statistics to make sense out that.] In any case, it seems they share a high desire/need for power and control, but their cognitive and behavioral functioning have little in common. President Obama is obviously more sophisticated in terms of intelligence, judgment, interpersonal skills, etc.

Russell

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*note bolding by Wysteria to clarify my question*

Hi all. I've been lurking here since the start of this case.
I decided I wasn't going to join until we got closer to the trial.

First I'd like to give a big THANKS to the member's and the owner of this board.
This is the message board I rely on for information.

I do have a question, please and thanks in advance:

I'm uncertain if I understood your post correctly Russell. Were the any/all psyc. docs. released regarding Casey? I have spent 3 days trying to search for the documents prior to asking my question, because I really didn't plan on posting my opinions until the trial started. In addition, I didn't want to take up bw space and ask a question that could be easily found by me. I really did try very hard to search and I'm sorry if this questioned has been asked and answered.

 

[Solace]

I've thought she was BPD. Always have and always will. JMO. MY OPNION ONLY DON'T GET ALL UPPITY IF YOU DON'T AGREE.

I don't take part in these discussions anymore because people get all weird if Casey's psych eval is brought up.

The only way I see the evaluation being part of the trial is if the psychologist takes the stand to defend his report. At least, this has been my experience when reporting my psych evals to judges.

Going back to work ----

Before I go back to work just wanted to say - I don't think CA's psychopathology is as severe as KC's. Remember, before all this happened she worked full time, made her own living, and was a productive member of society (tax payer, obeyed laws).

Now I'm really going back to work....I get no shows every day of the week but Monday! How does THAT happen?

But as far as the defense goes, they are saying she is innocent and someone else did this crime. So they would not be presenting a pschological evaluation on her. She is innocent. She does not need one, no?

 

[Solace]

I haven't seen the GA & CA jail conversation in a long time..but what I remember about it is how it seemed like they did not know each other at all. He talked to her (and she to him) like polite neighbors...very weird. I know they were aware of being taped, but still their discomfort was apparent. GA always seems to fall into the role of "motivational speaker"..and I think I remember reading somewhere that he was at one time someone who would be get in front of groups and talk (maybe rotary club or something)..that would explain his ease at speaking at the memorial. I find GA to be one of the most interesting characters involved because he seems so completely devoid of substance. (Well, that description fits them all)..but in GA's case he seems the best at faking warmth....making one wonder if he doesn't actually have more capacity for genuine feelings than the rest of them...does he? Well, we'll never know. I honestly wish I could have a conversation with him..I know it would be like talking to a post--but it would be interesting. They are Shakespearean in pathology.

I remember the first time I watched the tapes and I was speechless at how they let her treat them like garbage, especially the one where Casey rants on about not having control. In the beginning of the tape, George starts talking and Cindy puts her head down and starts crying because it is obvious they are getting nowhere. Finally Cindy starts to talk and she is breaking and if you look at KC's face, she is disgusted with her and if you watch her very carefully you can see the disdain in KC's face towards her mother.

After reading Lee's interviews with the prosecutors, he has said that they decided that the best way to get information out of KC was not to pressure her and that is the route they took. And the route they took just solidified KCs feeling that the lies she was telling were working. Every time Cindy said "ok, I trust you", KC became more emboldened with her lies.

I really believe that Cindy is taking this route because she knows that she did not take care of Caylee and left her with a sociopath who killed her. Cindy knows, in my opinion, that leaving her with KC was reckless and it ended up with murder (I don't think she ever thought KC would kill Caylee, but she did). IMO, Cindy CANNOT admit that KC did this because if she does, then she has to admit that KC did this IN PART to get back at her mother (Cindy) and that means she utterly hates Cindy and Cindy in trying to NOT MAKE WAVES for the last three years created a monster who killed Caylee. George was after her numerous times to confront KC and Cindy would not.

You know when you say "I should have" and it is the worst feeling. Well Cindy is saying that and the feeling is too much for her to handle. So she has found God with KC and is completely denying this murder in order to protect herself.

A tragedy absolutely.

 

[logicalgirl]

I remember the first time I watched the tapes and I was speechless at how they let her treat them like garbage, especially the one where Casey rants on about not having control. In the beginning of the tape, George starts talking and Cindy puts her head down and starts crying because it is obvious they are getting nowhere. Finally Cindy starts to talk and she is breaking and if you look at KC's face, she is disgusted with her and if you watch her very carefully you can see the disdain in KC's face towards her mother.

After reading Lee's interviews with the prosecutors, he has said that they decided that the best way to get information out of KC was not to pressure her and that is the route they took. And the route they took just solidified KCs feeling that the lies she was telling were working. Every time Cindy said "ok, I trust you", KC became more emboldened with her lies.

I really believe that Cindy is taking this route because she knows that she did not take care of Caylee and left her with a sociopath who killed her. Cindy knows, in my opinion, that leaving her with KC was reckless and it ended up with murder (I don't think she ever thought KC would kill Caylee, but she did). IMO, Cindy CANNOT admit that KC did this because if she does, then she has to admit that KC did this IN PART to get back at her mother (Cindy) and that means she utterly hates Cindy and Cindy in trying to NOT MAKE WAVES for the last three years created a monster who killed Caylee. George was after her numerous times to confront KC and Cindy would not.

You know when you say "I should have" and it is the worst feeling. Well Cindy is saying that and the feeling is too much for her to handle. So she has found God with KC and is completely denying this murder in order to protect herself.

A tragedy absolutely.

Well said Solace!

I also think CA hasn't completely let go of Caylee and accepted that she is indeed dead and gone forever. It is just too much for her to bear. I believe we will see her break in half - when she finally understands and accepts that it is ICA who has done this terrible thing and Caylee is gone. She keeps hoping, she's given ICA chance after chance to change in the past, and kept hoping it would work, and she's still doing it now - just because she can't quite put her heart and mind around it. Her mind knows but her heart won't accept it. But she will, and like you say - a tragedy absolutely.

And I don't see CA ever forgiving herself.

 

[Solace]

Well said Solace!

I also think CA hasn't completely let go of Caylee and accepted that she is indeed dead and gone forever. It is just too much for her to bear. I believe we will see her break in half - when she finally understands and accepts that it is ICA who has done this terrible thing and Caylee is gone. She keeps hoping, she's given her chance after chance in the past, and kept hoping it would work, and she's still doing it now - just because she can't quite put her heart and mind around it. But she will, and like you say - a tragedy absolutely.

And I don't see CA ever forgiving herself.

I agree Logicalgirl. This trial is going to bring out things that are going to be almost impossible to deny. But CA is in such profound denial that she may do it.

It is pretty hard to forgive yourself when a baby is killed and you know that the person she is with is not taking the best care of her. CA lies and lies and lies through her interviews and it is going to come out.

Why she lied about NOT telling Tony that KC will rob you blind or something to that effect when she arrives at his apartment on July 16th, I will never understand. There are three people, Amy, Tony and a friend who can and will say that Cindy was furious when she showed up at the apartment and had choice words for KC. Just as I understand why KC lies (she is a sociopath), I don't understand why Cindy lies about something as ridiculous as this - her word means nothing as Cheney implied before he was hired.

 

[logicalgirl]

I agree Logicalgirl. This trial is going to bring out things that are going to be almost impossible to deny. But CA is in such profound denial that she may do it.

Agree - but in some way I understand the denial - because look what she's got to lose. We can see she's lost it already but she hasn't been able to take that step yet.

 

[Solace]

Agree - but in some way I understand the denial - because look what she's got to lose. We can see she's lost it already but she hasn't been able to take that step yet.

Absolutely, who can admit this. A baby was killed and your daughter did it and the only reason that one can see is her jealously and rage at the grandmother's love for the baby. Forget it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

But as far as the defense goes, they are saying she is innocent and someone else did this crime. So they would not be presenting a pschological evaluation on her. She is innocent. She does not need one, no?

They're gonna need one for the penalty "mitigation" phase. imo

 

[aspiring drifter]

This is such an enormous amount of conversation in these 10 threads on the family psych, and I've tried to get through most of it but it's two years worth of chit chat and discussion, so really I'm just going to apologize up front if this has been discussed, but I'm going to go ahead and throw out an observation/question here at the end anyway.

I was re-watching the jail visit of Just George from August 3. It's a two part segment (part 1 here for reference if necessary http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html). It was almost completely embarrassing to watch, and I wondered if there is a clinical term for what George does here. He makes this endless use of lists in his conversation. He starts out by telling Casey that everybody loves her and asks about her. "Your mother, brother, aunts, uncles, gosh, friends, neighbors..." inserting the "gosh" to sort of show he's about to expand his list. Then it's "t-shirts, buttons, flyers, gosh, emails, letters, cards..." Almost every sentence is a LIST. Is there some psychological reasoning behind this, or is it just the way he is? It goes on and on throughout the 45 minutes, list after list after list.

casey does the same damn thing when answering questions. i find it rather annoying. like when they asked her how she's doing she begins to say...well, like so and so asked and so and so and even so and so asked...and i said...blag blah blah....I'M GREAT! i'm reading, i'm eating la la la...they're sneaking me food...blah blah blah. paraphrasing there. f**n annoying she is!
edited to add that i hate that i find so many amusing things in this sad case, for caylee's sake BUT when george kept saying "...whooo!" in his list...it's just totally freaky. they are a freaky bunch.

 

[OneLostGrl]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*note bolding by Wysteria to clarify my question*

Hi all. I've been lurking here since the start of this case.
I decided I wasn't going to join until we got closer to the trial.

First I'd like to give a big THANKS to the member's and the owner of this board.
This is the message board I rely on for information.

I do have a question, please and thanks in advance:

I'm uncertain if I understood your post correctly Russell. Were the any/all psyc. docs. released regarding Casey? I have spent 3 days trying to search for the documents prior to asking my question, because I really didn't plan on posting my opinions until the trial started. In addition, I didn't want to take up bw space and ask a question that could be easily found by me. I really did try very hard to search and I'm sorry if this questioned has been asked and answered.