Casey & Family Psychological Profile #10

[wildchild1961]

I pray that somebody will decide to love her enough by then to get her help so she has the proper support once the trial starts so she will have help accepting and coming to terms with the truth and won't be allowed to swallow it down and ignore it as she has been. I keep telling myself somebody has to love this woman enough, don't they?! It's sad to see everyone just allows her to continue destroying herself.

I am not big on Freud's theory about mothers.. but in this case.. <scratches head> I would add one thing to the bolded part above...

AND HER FAMILY...

wild

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Lol, no dear friend. I am saying CA does not have a mental illness. She has personality disorders, quite a few in a collection. CA is more than aware of right and wrong in the legal sense. CA plays a role 24/7 depending on her audience. When in front of the media, she plays the grieving persona. At home, behind closed curtains, she is a witch on wheels. She could care less where ICA ends up. A box six feet under or behind bars in a cell. What CA does care about is her self entitlement; to project the image of importance that CA has conjured in her mind. Definitely the wrong way to do it, but then again CA is on a mission the media apparently wants to assist her with.

ICA is all together another issue. ICA has many of CAs personality plus disorders and she took her hatred towards CA to the ultimate extreme.

My post was directed towards CA.

This is when I start feeling a little sympathy towards KC though. If it's true her mother didn't want her, always competed with her, then KC would have felt that in her young life too. Can you imagine never being able to please CA? Maybe she was the crazy maker and GA and KC just gave up trying. It's hard to tell. IF KC really knows/feels her mother only cares about her own image and how this is affecting her, doesn't that make anyone feel sad for KC? It's not that long ago that she was a child - just saying.

And I realize this is about Caylee but it is all related.

 

[logicalgirl]

But the thing is logicalgirl.. that is exactly how I feel as well. I am also expressing my personal observations and viewpoint and its not because I am bent out of shape about Cindy. It's how I truly see her. I agree with you that we cannot make broad sweeping statements based on just what we have seen, however.. "just what we have seen" is also the basis for your argument that she reacts because of shame. It can't work both ways... either it is how all of us can make comments and decisions about the "why's" of how she acts.. or none of us can.

I love being able to discuss things like this you You make me think! And that is ALWAYS a very good thing <gryns> please don't ever stop!

off to work now <sighs> I can read this site from work.. but I can't sign in.. so no posting for me for another 12 hours.. yuck! Everyoen have a great day

wild

Oh sorry Wild - I meant everyone post away and I may not necessarily agree but that sure as heck doesn't make me right!!!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

You're disappointed at how life treats you then all of a sudden a ray of sunshine comes into your life and is as quickly taken away. CA thought she had all bases covered by NOT sharing Caylee's birth with the birth father.....instead she has to deal with the child's mother who has done far worse than just ask for visitation. Sometimes things just don't turn out as you expected. Makes for a very angry person. jmo

Again, entitlement issues. Trust me when I say that my life did not turn out for me the way I expected - many challenges. But you must roll with the punches, cling to your faith and it's not your fault or yours, or yours, or yours.

People take 'normal' life scripts for granted when they seem to happen for many so easily. But life is not like that for a lot of people. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

So what you say makes me think 'entitlement' again.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

There is so much I'd love to know about Cindy because I think if we knew them Casey and her behaviors and ways of coping would then make some sense to us (well, to me anyway). I mentioned before that I live only about 15 min from Rick and thought for about 2 seconds, a long time ago, of calling him and seeing if he'd be willing to speak with me, answer some of my questions about her. But I am just so against people inserting themselves into these cases and regardless of how badly I wanna know what made Cindy Cindy, I'll have to not know. It would be so nice to know though!

This is funny OLG! How would you introduce yourself? Hi, I'm OLG, a blogger. It's a long story but I have a crazy mother and was once sort of nuts. We are both alot better now through hard internal work and proper medication.

Could you please tell me all about your nutty, crazy sister? LOL!

 

[OneLostGrl]

This is when I start feeling a little sympathy towards KC though. If it's true her mother didn't want her, always competed with her, then KC would have felt that in her young life too. Can you imagine never being able to please CA? Maybe she was the crazy maker and GA and KC just gave up trying. It's hard to tell. IF KC really knows/feels her mother only cares about her own image and how this is affecting her, doesn't that make anyone feel sad for KC? It's not that long ago that she was a child - just saying.

And I realize this is about Caylee but it is all related.

I think you know I'm with ya on this but in case you don't, I am!

 

[OneLostGrl]

This is funny OLG! How would you introduce yourself? Hi, I'm OLG, a blogger. It's a long story but I have a crazy mother and was once sort of nuts. We are both alot better now through hard internal work and proper medication.

Could you please tell me all about your nutty, crazy sister? LOL!

haha. Something like that. I'd probably toss in a bit of "False Consensus" (only because I'm pretty positive my thoughts about Cindy are correct) to get him to open up. I'm good like that.. I'm not gonna lie.. a mother like mine teaches her children young how to manipulate. :crazy: I'm still pretty nuts lol

 

[countzero]

This is when I start feeling a little sympathy towards KC though. If it's true her mother didn't want her, always competed with her, then KC would have felt that in her young life too. Can you imagine never being able to please CA? Maybe she was the crazy maker and GA and KC just gave up trying. It's hard to tell. IF KC really knows/feels her mother only cares about her own image and how this is affecting her, doesn't that make anyone feel sad for KC? It's not that long ago that she was a child - just saying.

And I realize this is about Caylee but it is all related.

Tried to reply more than once with the right words.

No amount of digging will uncover the root of CAs issues. There are far too many people out in society among us just like CA, GA and LA who "float" through life's cycle. Some people figure them out immediately. Others suffer emotional and material loss when they think they "befriend" these types only to discover they were used.

These people don't have friends as we know it. They are simply acquaintances to them. Their motives are selfish and self-serving. Some murder but most just simply find "victims" destroy trust and move on. There is no love as we know it. There is no self-control in their actions. There is no personal responsibility for their actions as we know it. There is only one person who matters in this world and that is themselves.

There is no amount of mitigation, understanding or anything else one conjures up that will excuse the murder of Caylee or any other innocent child or adult. People who want to seek answers are looking for excuses to give for the behaviors exhibited by narcissistic and the many other personality disorders these people are labeled with. I am not being snary when I say this, because unless one has had personal and long term interaction, it is extremely difficult to relate the damage a personality disorder person can inflict. And you know, those who don't know, can make a false judgement about the person who has suffered at the hands of these types. The personality disorder type can be very convincing that they are right and their victim is wrong. So the victim is not only violated by the perp, but can be violated by society's ignorance of the problem.

rbbm:

I feel nothing but indifference towards ICA, CA, GA and LA.

To answer your question .... ICA could and should have done what so many of us have done. Leave. ICA was conditioned to have little if any self-esteem. ICA, just as CA has, felt entitled to take what ICA determined to be hers. We have dissected this over and over again and still the only answer I see I positively am convinced of is this:

ICA made the conscious decision to murder Caylee knowing it was wrong both morally and legally. She just didn't care at that moment. Her importance was greater than Caylee's life. Her hatred of CA was greater than Caylee's life. Do not fool oneself that Cindy didn't know this. She knew it for years for she was the creator.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I pray that somebody will decide to love her enough by then to get her help so she has the proper support once the trial starts so she will have help accepting and coming to terms with the truth and won't be allowed to swallow it down and ignore it as she has been. I keep telling myself somebody has to love this woman enough, don't they?! It's sad to see everyone just allows her to continue destroying herself.

I've been thinking about this post. It shows a very loving spirit. But remember when Rick tried to talk some truth into CA? It ended up being a shouting match, name calling event. Then they went there separate ways again.

I wonder if SP ever tries to talk truth with her daughter and how that goes. CA may be one of those people who just cannot listen or see any other view other than her own. Your neighbor, Rick (lol), did try to confront CA with the truth. It turned out sounding like more of an attack but that's because he became so frustrated hearing her denials. Everyone else seems to play along with CA and if they don't, look out - you're out!

The only thing that kind of got me is when LE was questioning RP, they asked him if CA lies a lot and a few other character assault type questions. He softened up a bit and said 'no'. I thought :waitasec: that's interesting.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Tried to reply more than once with the right words.

No amount of digging will uncover the root of CAs issues. There are far too many people out in society among us just like CA, GA and LA who "float" through life's cycle. Some people figure them out immediately. Others suffer emotional and material loss when they think they "befriend" these types only to discover they were used.

These people don't have friends as we know it. They are simply acquaintances to them. Their motives are selfish and self-serving. Some murder but most just simply find "victims" destroy trust and move on. There is no love as we know it. There is no self-control in their actions. There is no personal responsibility for their actions as we know it. There is only one person who matters in this world and that is themselves.

There is no amount of mitigation, understanding or anything else one conjures up that will excuse the murder of Caylee or any other innocent child or adult. People who want to seek answers are looking for excuses to give for the behaviors exhibited by narcissistic and the many other personality disorders these people are labeled with. I am not being snary when I say this, because unless one has had personal and long term interaction, it is extremely difficult to relate the damage a personality disorder person can inflict. And you know, those who don't know, can make a false judgement about the person who has suffered at the hands of these types. The personality disorder type can be very convincing that they are right and their victim is wrong. So the victim is not only violated by the perp, but can be violated by society's ignorance of the problem.

rbbm:

I feel nothing but indifference towards ICA, CA, GA and LA.

To answer your question .... ICA could and should have done what so many of us have done. Leave. ICA was conditioned to have little if any self-esteem. ICA, just as CA has, felt entitled to take what ICA determined to be hers. We have dissected this over and over again and still the only answer I see I positively am convinced of is this:

ICA made the conscious decision to murder Caylee knowing it was wrong both morally and legally. She just didn't care at that moment. Her importance was greater than Caylee's life. Her hatred of CA was greater than Caylee's life. Do not fool oneself that Cindy didn't know this. She knew it for years for she was the creator.

Wow, this is a good answer - should be in a book.

Another thing that I've noticed, they want the good life (are jealous of those who have it - KC said that Zany or somebody didn't have to work, had a rich father or something like that) but collectively they are unwilling to work consistently and slowly toward financial security. I mean we'd all love to be rich probably but financial health is enough (or has to be) for some of us. They know their real status doesn't match the status they want to portray. GA often states, 'I'm not stupid, I'm smart enough, I know a few things'. He makes comments like this often which leads me to believe he actually wonders if it's true. He must not really be very smart - sorry.

 

[countzero]

I pray that somebody will decide to love her enough by then to get her help so she has the proper support once the trial starts so she will have help accepting and coming to terms with the truth and won't be allowed to swallow it down and ignore it as she has been. I keep telling myself somebody has to love this woman enough, don't they?! It's sad to see everyone just allows her to continue destroying herself.

Good grief woman ... I have been pondering that myself within my own family. Conclusion is you can't. They outright refuse any advances of help.

They are always right. Their actions are always right. And they will wear you down until you make the decision to create distance from them.

It's exactly what Shirley and her sons have done. They want no part of the circus CA created. CA destroyed any type of compassion they might have felt for CA. You have to remember, CA has 50 years of this behavior under her belt. And she has perfected it. One doesn't bother to fight a battle they know they can't win. Although CA tries her dangest. But her family won't engage with her. They are smart.

 

[countzero]

Wow, this is a good answer - should be in a book.

Another thing that I've noticed, they want the good life (are jealous of those who have it - KC said that Zany or somebody didn't have to work, had a rich father or something like that) but collectively they are unwilling to work consistently and slowly toward financial security. I mean we'd all love to be rich probably but financial health is enough (or has to be) for some of us. They know their real status doesn't match the status they want to portray. GA often states, 'I'm not stupid, I'm smart enough, I know a few things'. He makes comments like this often which leads me to believe he actually wonders if it's true. He must not really be very smart - sorry.

You bring up an excellent point about GA. His sister has money, lots of it. But no one in the extended family gave the As money. Not one that we know of.

They know CA and GA and have chosen NOT to partipate in supporting them. Not one of them participated in searching for Caylee. Their actions speak loud and hard about their feelings for CA and GA.

 

[ynotdivein]

I've been thinking about this post. It shows a very loving spirit. But remember when Rick tried to talk some truth into CA? It ended up being a shouting match, name calling event. Then they went there separate ways again.

I wonder if SP ever tries to talk truth with her daughter and how that goes. CA may be one of those people who just cannot listen or see any other view other than her own.

RS&BBM for focus

You made me take a walk through SP's transcript again, and I do believe there are some "tells" therein about the piece I bolded up there... http://www.wftv.com/blank/18974289/detail.html Seems we're each viewing this through the lens of our own personal experience, and looking through my lens, what stands out in this interview is that SP doesn't seem to have challenged or confronted CA much herself. You have generations of avoidance/non-confrontation/denial, you end up with a bunch of anger (again, this through my lens)...

I'm not trying to blame an innocent elderly woman for KC's actions at all, but IMO, this is a systemic dysfunction. CA did not just spring fully formed upon the world like Athena bursting out of Zeus's skull. The total family dynamic goes far beyond CA/KC's issues.

:cow: and I have to say, I very much admire the folks here who can dissect the motions and interpret the law and the forensics, but I equally admire the folks here who can dissect the motivations and interpret the actions and the, well, the :banghead:. We're each here for a reason. (That is, two reasons--Caylee being the first.)

 

[logicalgirl]

You bring up an excellent point about GA. His sister has money, lots of it. But no one in the extended family gave the As money. Not one that we know of.

They know CA and GA and have chosen NOT to partipate in supporting them. Not one of them participated in searching for Caylee. Their actions speak loud and hard about their feelings for CA and GA.

What kind of people refuse to search for a 2 year old relative, despite their feeling about the parents or mother of the child?

And we don't know that no one in the extended family has NEVER lent the Anthony's money. We do know they haven't this time around, but that tells me they have had many negative money lending experiences prior to this. Either than or hearts of stone. Some events rise higher or should rise higher than family issues - like the loss of a two year old, to a violent death.

 

[logicalgirl]

Tried to reply more than once with the right words.

No amount of digging will uncover the root of CAs issues. There are far too many people out in society among us just like CA, GA and LA who "float" through life's cycle. Some people figure them out immediately. Others suffer emotional and material loss when they think they "befriend" these types only to discover they were used.

These people don't have friends as we know it. They are simply acquaintances to them. Their motives are selfish and self-serving. Some murder but most just simply find "victims" destroy trust and move on. There is no love as we know it. There is no self-control in their actions. There is no personal responsibility for their actions as we know it. There is only one person who matters in this world and that is themselves.

There is no amount of mitigation, understanding or anything else one conjures up that will excuse the murder of Caylee or any other innocent child or adult. People who want to seek answers are looking for excuses to give for the behaviors exhibited by narcissistic and the many other personality disorders these people are labeled with. I am not being snary when I say this, because unless one has had personal and long term interaction, it is extremely difficult to relate the damage a personality disorder person can inflict. And you know, those who don't know, can make a false judgement about the person who has suffered at the hands of these types. The personality disorder type can be very convincing that they are right and their victim is wrong. So the victim is not only violated by the perp, but can be violated by society's ignorance of the problem.

rbbm:

I feel nothing but indifference towards ICA, CA, GA and LA.

To answer your question .... ICA could and should have done what so many of us have done. Leave. ICA was conditioned to have little if any self-esteem. ICA, just as CA has, felt entitled to take what ICA determined to be hers. We have dissected this over and over again and still the only answer I see I positively am convinced of is this:

ICA made the conscious decision to murder Caylee knowing it was wrong both morally and legally. She just didn't care at that moment. Her importance was greater than Caylee's life. Her hatred of CA was greater than Caylee's life. Do not fool oneself that Cindy didn't know this. She knew it for years for she was the creator.

We have no proof or even indication that CA hated, or hates ICA. That's an urban legend that has just kept on growing.

I also believe that ICA didn't hate Cindy - she felt nothing for her. I also don't think ICA loved Caylee - not in the deep mother/daughter/family connection we recognize. I think Caylee was simply something ICA used as a conduit to get what she wanted.
And I used the word something on purpose.

 

[countzero]

We have no proof or even indication that CA hated, or hates ICA. That's an urban legend that has just kept on growing.

I also believe that ICA didn't hate Cindy - she felt nothing for her. I also don't think ICA loved Caylee - not in the deep mother/daughter/family connection we recognize. I think Caylee was simply something ICA used as a conduit to get what she wanted.
And I used the word something on purpose.

Dang, I don't like to disagree with ya, but .......

I don't need to have it written out in ink by either CA or ICA to determine whether there is hatred then indifference between these two.

I only know that based upon the videos, the lies and the emotional avoidance by both to understand there is/was a deep seeded hatred between them and the family. There is no respect, no boundaries within this unit of people. ICA let her temper slip when she cussed at CA and got tight fisted during a jail visit. CA let everyone in on her performance ability when she told ICA "well sweetheart, if you didn't lie to the police ......." during a jail visit. There is nothing but manipulation, deception and deceit among this unit of people.

There is no love for one another. There is a falsehood being portrayed as love for all outsiders. There is a huge disconnect between them all.

I do however agree with you on ICA and her non-relationship with Caylee. ICA was only a birthing vessel. Nothing more, nothing less. Caylee was an object to be displayed and used to make ICA appear to be a caring human. Just as I can bet ICA was to CA in childhood.

I do believe the only amount of truth ICA spoke of to anyone were her complaints of CAs controlling behaviors. I don't believe they were embellishments. After viewing CA and GA for two years now, I believe the mitigation specialist will tear Cindy and George apart at the seams. Lee and every other extended family member will be collateral damage.

 

[countzero]

What kind of people refuse to search for a 2 year old relative, despite their feeling about the parents or mother of the child?

One that knows or suspects the child is deceased.

And we don't know that no one in the extended family has NEVER lent the Anthony's money. I was being specific about the case, not prior. But you're right about prior borrowing incidents.

We do know they haven't this time around, but that tells me they have had many negative money lending experiences prior to this. Either than or hearts of stone. Some events rise higher or should rise higher than family issues - like the loss of a two year old, to a violent death. rbbm: Totally agree. And an incident or more must have happened in the past to cause them NOT to participate. I remember GA stated his sister came up unannounced after the news broke and he wasn't happy about it.

We can agree to disagree, right :blowkiss: It's just that my experience and gut tell me I am spot on. Well, CA's behaviors tell me this too.

 

[erynne936]

I pray that somebody will decide to love her enough by then to get her help so she has the proper support once the trial starts so she will have help accepting and coming to terms with the truth and won't be allowed to swallow it down and ignore it as she has been. I keep telling myself somebody has to love this woman enough, don't they?! It's sad to see everyone just allows her to continue destroying herself.

It doesn't matter how much you love or try to love someone who has narcissistic or borderline personality disorder, as I feel Cindy does. People like this are in deep denial of their issues and do not think anything is wrong with them. They think that everything is wrong with everyone else/the world. They do not take anyone else's efforts to get them help kindly or seriously because they do not think that they need help. People with personality disorders almost never seek/accept help - it doesn't matter how much they are loved. And frankly, they are often hard to love because of their mental illness and their complete denial that they have any issues.

MOO

 

[elementary]

We have no proof or even indication that CA hated, or hates ICA. That's an urban legend that has just kept on growing.

I also believe that ICA didn't hate Cindy - she felt nothing for her. I also don't think ICA loved Caylee - not in the deep mother/daughter/family connection we recognize. I think Caylee was simply something ICA used as a conduit to get what she wanted.
And I used the word something on purpose.

I do agree that for a while, Caylee was useful to the perp. But Caylee was so much Kleenex to her.

I'm guessing that Cindy and the perp saw and continue to see each other as competition. Hatred is probably only one of many negative emotions for them.

I do think that the perp hates Cindy simply because psychopaths are eminently capable of negative emotion, especially jealousy and resentment, and acts of revenge for even minor attacks on their ego. They're 'sensitive' that way.

 

[logicalgirl]

Dang, I don't like to disagree with ya, but .......

I don't need to have it written out in ink by either CA or ICA to determine whether there is hatred then indifference between these two.

I only know that based upon the videos, the lies and the emotional avoidance by both to understand there is/was a deep seeded hatred between them and the family. There is no respect, no boundaries within this unit of people. ICA let her temper slip when she cussed at CA and got tight fisted during a jail visit. CA let everyone in on her performance ability when she told ICA "well sweetheart, if you didn't lie to the police ......." during a jail visit. There is nothing but manipulation, deception and deceit among this unit of people.

There is no love for one another. There is a falsehood being portrayed as love for all outsiders. There is a huge disconnect between them all.

I do however agree with you on ICA and her non-relationship with Caylee. ICA was only a birthing vessel. Nothing more, nothing less. Caylee was an object to be displayed and used to make ICA appear to be a caring human. Just as I can bet ICA was to CA in childhood.

I do believe the only amount of truth ICA spoke of to anyone were her complaints of CAs controlling behaviors. I don't believe they were embellishments. After viewing CA and GA for two years now, I believe the mitigation specialist will tear Cindy and George apart at the seams. Lee and every other extended family member will be collateral damage.

Well dang it - we just don't agree so let's go for it - it's all a good discussion. I do believe ICA displays distinct psychopath behavior and has never done anything but manipulate Cindy to her hearts content. And we know she ignored most of Cindy's "controlling behaviors" except in things like demanding she come home to look after her two year old at 3 in the morning, or else to bring the child home - and ICA would respond to those behaviors by doing what Cindy wanted because and only because Cindy had something ICA wanted - which was access to money. But other than that - I believe ICA ignored her mother and has done for a long time, and just did or said what she pleased. I'll bet a bag of beans ICA has had incredible temper tantrums since she was a small child.

And Cindy, who wants some respect and control over the household she supports, never got it and never will, at least from ICA, and only superficially with George. The only "weapon" she has to deal with an unfeeling manipulative ICA is sarcasm, which I see the "sweethear"t remark as, and threats, which are empty. But in that same video, we see Cindy back right off when ICA has her tantrum. To me that is a slice of Anthony home life. I think Cindy is afraid of ICA and her temper. Because ICA had something Cindy wanted, which was a new chance, a sunbeam - Caylee.

But! I absolutely agree with your comments about ICA - two out of three aint bad! :blowkiss: