Casey & Family Psychological Profile #10

[logicalgirl]

But from what people, bloggers and regular Orlando area residents have seen of CA it wouldn't be much of a stretch for her defense to say that ICA 'overdosed' Caylee inadvertently, and she died in the trunk and ICA was so terrified of CA - knowing an autopsy would reveal evidence of her chronic drug abuse of Caylee - that she panicked and disposed of her body, and came up with the Zanny story. It will all come down to Cindy- and she has been playing right into their hands with all her public histrionics - if her current Lawyers have finally convinced her to keep quiet I imagine it's because they have figured this out too...

If CA had readily given the SA everything she knew without resistance, if she hadn't sweethearted her during the jail visits, put up with ICA's continued disrespect, if she hadn't continued writing and showing up sitting in the defense camp at every hearing, but sat on the prosecution side glaring at ICA instead of pitifully trying to catch her attention, then it might be worth a shot.

But it is so glaringly obvious CA is trying everything she can think of to support her MYOY, including smearing innocent people and spouting complete rubbish to the media every chance she gets - I just don't see how the Defense could make "afraid of CA" credible but Baez might get a few chuckles in the courtroom if he tries it.

 

[seeing_eye]

How can you know that? George has never carried his weight financially in the marriage and he readily admits it; he also maxed the credit cards to a Nigerian in England on a scam. His job history is less than for lack of a better word. Rick Plesea, Cindy's brother, says George put his own father's head through the windshield in an argument with him - could be true or not. But his father wanted him out of the business; he failed miserably after that at his own small business - he admits that. They lost their first house because of this. He took $5,000 from the woman who tried to help him and Cindy after Caylee went missing. She subsequently tried to kill herself.

It is true Cindy is overbearing and you can see that in the way she is with the detectives and then on the shows lately. But George and Lee do their share of lying on KC's behalf also. So this whole family is dysfunctional. It is not all Cindy's fault. It is both Cindy and George's.

I realize that George has maintained he lost a lot of money in a Nigerian scam, but has anyone ever seen any proof of it? IMO, George lies. I think it's quite possible the money went somewhere else. And I don't really think Cindy took his manhood. I think that was gone long before Cindy ever met him (although I don't think she helped him in that respect either).

 

[claudicici]

How can you know that? George has never carried his weight financially in the marriage and he readily admits it; he also maxed the credit cards to a Nigerian in England on a scam. His job history is less than for lack of a better word. Rick Plesea, Cindy's brother, says George put his own father's head through the windshield in an argument with him - could be true or not. But his father wanted him out of the business; he failed miserably after that at his own small business - he admits that. They lost their first house because of this. He took $5,000 from the woman who tried to help him and Cindy after Caylee went missing. She subsequently tried to kill herself.

It is true Cindy is overbearing and you can see that in the way she is with the detectives and then on the shows lately. But George and Lee do their share of lying on KC's behalf also. So this whole family is dysfunctional. It is not all Cindy's fault. It is both Cindy and George's.

I don't know it but I suspect it.Remember before everything you mentioned George was a police officer.That's the only time of his life he still seems proud of and he seemed to be content.It was Cindy's idea he should quit and work for his dad.IMO that's when George went downhill.

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't know it but I suspect it.Remember before everything you mentioned George was a police officer.That's the only time of his life he still seems proud of and he seemed to be content.It was Cindy's idea he should quit and work for his dad.IMO that's when George went downhill.

I've always wondered where the "it was Cindy's idea he should quit" came from. Do we know that as a fact? It is hard for me to accept a person would quit a career they loved, achieved at and were dedicated to because their wife wanted them to.

I wonder just how successful at his policing career he actually was? So are we saying the only time in George's life he wasn't a grifter was when he was a cop? Or was he a grifter then also? Did that leopard change his spots a couple of times? :waitasec:

 

[Frigga]

I've always wondered where the "it was Cindy's idea he should quit" came from. Do we know that as a fact? It is hard for me to accept a person would quit a career they loved, achieved at and were dedicated to because their wife wanted them to.

I wonder just how successful at his policing career he actually was? So are we saying the only time in George's life he wasn't a grifter was when he was a cop? Or was he a grifter then also? Did that leopard change his spots a couple of times? :waitasec:

Um... yeah...no! Once a grifter, always a grifter unless someone has really worked hard to change. I come from a long line of grifters, I broke out of the mold but it mattered to me and I had to work at it. Wasn't George in some form of undercover... like stolen cars or something? I don't think it was narcotics. Undercover is a whole other animal, I have known a few and that is all I will say. I don't think it just happened to George and that is my personal opinion!

 

[LancelotLink]

I've always wondered where the "it was Cindy's idea he should quit" came from. Do we know that as a fact? It is hard for me to accept a person would quit a career they loved, achieved at and were dedicated to because their wife wanted them to.

I wonder just how successful at his policing career he actually was? So are we saying the only time in George's life he wasn't a grifter was when he was a cop? Or was he a grifter then also? Did that leopard change his spots a couple of times? :waitasec:

I agree. I wonder about this as well.

To me, this "it was cindy's idea" is one of those things that doesn't ring true. After reading the state deposition from GA, I got the distinct impression that he was jealous of his sisters, how he pointed out that they never had to work for a living, etc. His statements came across as very passive aggressive. His one sister married into a big auto dealership in Ohio.
I just take everything they say with a huge grain of salt. Some of the stuff they expect us to believe is just not that believable. Like George washing the cars of people who come for a visit...I dunno.

 

[Frigga]

Lance I think you and Logicalgirl are right on the money in your line of thinking and I agree with what you said 100%.

I wish to God some of the people that knew them/worked with them in Ohio would come forward... maybe after the trial? Someone there knows their story and it must not be very pretty otherwise why would people stay so quiet, I mean if they had good things to say.

Where is there a best friend of Cindy's? That for me is one of THE strangest things. At least we know George had his police friend down after Caylee's "disappearance" but to some degree LE are sort of a good ol' boy network and I don't mean that in a bad way. They just sort of stick together and stick up for one another.

Where are Lee and Casey's playmates and parents from their time in Ohio. It is all just so odd with this family and even with THEIR extended family. There are secrets... mark my word!

 

[Solace]

Lance I think you and Logicalgirl are right on the money in your line of thinking and I agree with what you said 100%.

I wish to God some of the people that knew them/worked with them in Ohio would come forward... maybe after the trial? Someone there knows their story and it must not be very pretty otherwise why would people stay so quiet, I mean if they had good things to say.

Where is there a best friend of Cindy's? That for me is one of THE strangest things. At least we know George had his police friend down after Caylee's "disappearance" but to some degree LE are sort of a good ol' boy network and I don't mean that in a bad way. They just sort of stick together and stick up for one another.

Where are Lee and Casey's playmates and parents from their time in Ohio. It is all just so odd with this family and even with THEIR extended family. There are secrets... mark my word!

They moved from Ohio when Casey and Lee were little.

 

[LancelotLink]

Um... yeah...no! Once a grifter, always a grifter unless someone has really worked hard to change. I come from a long line of grifters, I broke out of the mold but it mattered to me and I had to work at it. Wasn't George in some form of undercover... like stolen cars or something? I don't think it was narcotics. Undercover is a whole other animal, I have known a few and that is all I will say. I don't think it just happened to George and that is my personal opinion!

I'm hoping that the Ohio mitigation investigation will lead them to a certain ex-wife.

I also found it odd in the deposition that GA was all set to take over his dad's auto business, stating that he was made General manager and his dad was stepping back...then dad sells the business. Right out from under GA. There's a story there...

 

[Frigga]

They moved from Ohio when Casey and Lee were little.[/QUOTE

Solace, I am aware of how old they were, Casey was three and Lee was what five or six and they had no playmates?

Were they kept like Caylee was and only around adult family members and friends? That is bizarre in and of itself. Do they not have cousins or neighborhood children that they knew or played with?

I am not trying to be argumentative, I just honestly don't understand.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I have a bit of a problem seeing Cindy as the one running the show. To me it is obvious that KC is running the show.

Cindy has been running around supporting her and this just doesn't seem like the usual relationship between a controlling mother and a rebellious daughter.

I think KC is the one everyone is afraid of and in control. This would go a long way to explaining the families reactions and decisions since before the arrest.

At times in the first Jail house visit on July 25, 2008, is seemed like the family was asking questions with a "Is-that-okay?" kind of tone. Also the first words out of KC's mouth were "Don't worry. I didn't say anything."

Her smirks in court and general attitude come from a whole life-long practice of controlling everyone, especially her parents. Taking little Caylee away initially was a control move. The attitude of "entitlement" is not something that has just come up as a reaction to Cindy's over controlling nature. I'm sure that she was a holy terror at home when not happy and everyone tiptoed around her and smoothed her path so they wouldn't have to deal with her tantrums. It almost seems that Cindy over controlled others to make sure they did not upset Casey, not overcontrol Casey.

KC writing cheques out of Cindy's account full knowing that Cindy knew about it and continued to permit it is another thing that just doesn't fit the idea that Cindy was the overcontroller.

I will never really believe that Cindy's controlling nature was the reason for any of this. KC was stubborn, willful, manipulative, fearless, and defiant without empathy and without impunity.

I think Cindy screwed up cuz she gave Casey too much power. Cindy used to be in control- with the manipulation and keeping people needing her but she taught her daughter too well. Casey watched her mother and father closely, IMO and became more powerful then them both. One coping mechanism in a personality disordered family is to learn how to hurt people worse then they can hurt you, find their weak points and go for the jugular. After years of being emotionally neglected and abused sometimes you decide to be the hurt-ER and not ther hurt-EE.

Cindy Created this mess- though she lost control if it a long time ago because as hard as she tried to keep her daughter a "mini me" life just doesn't work that way so her daughter rebelled. This is what happens when you choose not to teach your children right from wrong. They know they should have been taught and end up resenting you for not doing it.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I've always wondered where the "it was Cindy's idea he should quit" came from. Do we know that as a fact? It is hard for me to accept a person would quit a career they loved, achieved at and were dedicated to because their wife wanted them to.

I wonder just how successful at his policing career he actually was? So are we saying the only time in George's life he wasn't a grifter was when he was a cop? Or was he a grifter then also? Did that leopard change his spots a couple of times? :waitasec:

Cindy said it was her idea for him to quit. In the police interviews she said it- that she didn't want her children to grow up without a father.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Very good post. Right on the money. Sort of "Leave it to Beaver" on the outside world and "War of the Roses" inside.

Once in awhile there is a post that hits the nail directly on the head - this is one of them. It sums up the situation to a tee imo.

 

[LambChop]

Cindy said it was her idea for him to quit. In the police interviews she said it- that she didn't want her children to grow up without a father.

Well that would explain why GA never went to work for the post office. My husband had a gun and common sense. He was probably safer than most civilians.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I agree, when you are parenting a psychopath/sociopath, you are dealing with a willful emotional shell who is building their skills by deliberately going against what you want for them and getting only what satisfies their own needs. To me there is no way the Anthony's are "Father knows best" or "Leave It To Beaver" families, but what family is. You can't guide/teach someone who cannot or will not learn. The only interest a psychopath/sociopath has is their own. If they were teachable or trainable, our prisons would not be full of them. Let ICA take the credit where the credit is due - she is responsible for who she is and what she is - only the Defense wants us to believes differently.

What do you want to bet Bernie Madoff's psyche profile says sociopath? Not a killer but look how many lives he has ruined. Think he cares? Seriously?

That's the age old question ~ nature versus nurture.

When we examine the A's history along with their responses to this tragedy within their family, you uncover a lot of nurture weaknesses. KC appears to be extremely jealous of the attention Caylee received from CA and GA because she perceives that she didn't receive the same treatment. I can almost picture it - remember how GA described how he picked KC up from school (he was making up what he thinks one would want to hear). IMO he explains the right thing to do but hasn't done the right thing himself for what ever reason. He's a sham man. I'd rather hear someone say, 'When I was younger, I was focused on myself too much and sort of neglected the needs of my children. I was selfish and I realize that now.'

CA had been the queen when KC was little. CA never made it about KC when KC was little. KC could not get heard and was often not seen. CA was queen. Then along came Caylee and 'damn' if there wasn't a new little queen. KC never matured into her own identity and CA liked that.

Mind you, I'm just typing one scenario that I think could be a possibility that resulted in the A family dynamic.

 

[logicalgirl]

Cindy said it was her idea for him to quit. In the police interviews she said it- that she didn't want her children to grow up without a father.

So?
Are you thinking this was the one time Cindy told the truth? :waitasec:

Same question:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Originally Posted by claudicici
I wonder how Cindy became that way myself.I don't think it was because of George.
I know I seem to be hard on her but I believe she screwed up George in the first place.He was ok until she made him quit his job,broke his backbone,completely took his manhood.
She seems to only thrive when she sucks every bit of self worth out of a person.
She did it to George and she did it to ICA.

I agree, Claudicici...after she made him quit being an police officer and take on the car dealership, things went downhill for them, IMO..whatever went on when they went to Florida is just a roll off of his leaving the police department...he probably couldn't find decent work, got into that Nigerian scam, (if it truly was that) and just allowed his wife to do what she does naturally...JMHO

It appears he has no voice in his own home and is ruled mostly by ICA then next in line is CA...LA he's just momma's boy...seems GA stood alone..JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Woe.be.gone]

^ George IMO. She has married a man that ran around on her and took her to the cleaners financially and has been a major disappointment to her in many ways. Her daughter grew up to follow in his wake, then outdid him by murdering the one person in her family she could and did love openly. The woman is trying to hold onto something which will make the last 30 years of her life have some worthwhile meaning to her, hence the control.

They probably married each other because CA had the tendency to take the reigns and is bossy and GA likes it because he is, in his own way, sort of laid back. But when he turned into the unproductive earner (even though it has been said that CA made him quit a real profession) CA lost respect for him and over the years, turned bitter (I can't say I blame her). The moral is that you can't run somebody elses life and control the results. If everything we've heard is true, CA would have been better off with a Policeman husband and so would her children.

I can't help but to wonder if GA was really that good of a cop - he seems sort of whimpy to me. Usually cops are take charge types.:waitasec: GA even borders on criminal type activity himself. I've convinced myself that he owed River money. She operates one of those payday loan scam thingys. I think he borrowed money and never payed it back.

When Rick was questioned he never said that Cindy was a liar. I don't think Cindy likes underhanded doings. She was employed and had a profession. That is something to be proud of. She never expected her former LE husband to turn into a Nigerian scam victim :blushing:. CA probably does feel ashamed of him but he is her husband and does yardwork (so it could be worse). He didn't live up to her expectations but she is to blame for that too. She controls people but then she doesn't provide the alternative answers as to what they should do. Maybe resentment built up over the years and KC saw GA getting away with things and we know KC did too. CA's control only went so far. She never took proactive control over the bad doings. Those she simply ignored. :waitasec: Go figure.

My Godmother was a strong woman and I'd say she ran the roost at her house. She was bossy and her kids had to do what she said. She would have knocked her kid's heads off or something if they got out of line. But her loving second husband, the father of her two kids, always had a decent job. They both were hardworking people. But he happily jumped when she said jump. Their kids turned out great, good people, productive, patriotic and successful in what they chose to do. So KC is not simply the result of a controlling mother in the house. There is more imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

If CA had readily given the SA everything she knew without resistance, if she hadn't sweethearted her during the jail visits, put up with ICA's continued disrespect, if she hadn't continued writing and showing up sitting in the defense camp at every hearing, but sat on the prosecution side glaring at ICA instead of pitifully trying to catch her attention, then it might be worth a shot.

But it is so glaringly obvious CA is trying everything she can think of to support her MYOY, including smearing innocent people and spouting complete rubbish to the media every chance she gets - I just don't see how the Defense could make "afraid of CA" credible but Baez might get a few chuckles in the courtroom if he tries it.

The only thing I still think of is what if something happened to Caylee while under GA's care. He may be a selfish SOB too. Enough so to think he could rig an out for himself so he wouldn't have to admit to CA what happened. He's willing to make his daughter the scape goat assuring her that she won't be found guilty because she didn't do anything.

Remember CA's July MS message where she writes something along the lines of 'I don't know what to think anymore, your dad says he went to work early and didn't come home all day.' :waitasec: There's something hinky there imo.

 

[Oakley]

The only thing I still think of is what if something happened to Caylee while under GA's care. He may be a selfish SOB too. Enough so to think he could rig an out for himself so he wouldn't have to admit to CA what happened. He's willing to make his daughter the scape goat assuring her that she won't be found guilty because she didn't do anything.

Remember CA's July MS message where she writes something along the lines of 'I don't know what to think anymore, your dad says he went to work early and didn't come home all day.' :waitasec: There's something hinky there imo.

BBM Woe, do you really think Casey would sit in jail for 2.5 years, facing a possible death sentence for her dear old dad? Didn't she and George lock horns a lot too?