Casey & Family Psychological Profile #10

[Gnatcatcher]

That's the age old question ~ nature versus nurture.

When we examine the A's history along with their responses to this tragedy within their family, you uncover a lot of nurture weaknesses. KC appears to be extremely jealous of the attention Caylee received from CA and GA because she perceives that she didn't receive the same treatment. I can almost picture it - remember how GA described how he picked KC up from school (he was making up what he thinks one would want to hear). IMO he explains the right thing to do but hasn't done the right thing himself for what ever reason. He's a sham man. I'd rather hear someone say, 'When I was younger, I was focused on myself too much and sort of neglected the needs of my children. I was selfish and I realize that now.'

CA had been the queen when KC was little. CA never made it about KC when KC was little. KC could not get heard and was often not seen. CA was queen. Then along came Caylee and 'damn' if there wasn't a new little queen. KC never matured into her own identity and CA liked that.

Mind you, I'm just typing one scenario that I think could be a possibility that resulted in the A family dynamic.

I cannot tell you how insightful a post I think this is. I just don't have the creative writing skills to express it. The part I bolded, I've been looking for a way to say this for two years now, and you've said it so simply in that one little sentence. Many thanks.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Cindy said it was her idea for him to quit. In the police interviews she said it- that she didn't want her children to grow up without a father.

Cindy = God. How the heck would she know that? Ya know? Not all policemen are killed. The good ones are respected and seen as a positive force within their communities. She really is the ultimate controller. Instead she got a guy who is nothing - great. (Nobody is nothing but you know what I mean.) Is there any chance he got fired, and she just says that so they save face? Oh, I'm remembering that KC wrote that GA's partner was killed in the line of duty. I wonder if that's true or if they use that as a good sounding excuse. One never knows with these people. :crazy:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I realize that George has maintained he lost a lot of money in a Nigerian scam, but has anyone ever seen any proof of it? IMO, George lies. I think it's quite possible the money went somewhere else. And I don't really think Cindy took his manhood. I think that was gone long before Cindy ever met him (although I don't think she helped him in that respect either).

You just reminded me that GA said he used the Nigerian scam thing as an excuse because it sounded better than saying that he simply gambled the money away.

Do I have this right? I think he told LE that and said that CA still didn't know the truth. He thought being scammed would be more forgiveable.

I think GA has an addictive personality.

 

[Frigga]

Woe, I think it was the opposite, GA said he told CA that he lost the money gambling because he was too embarrassed to admit that he (Mr Police officer)fell for the scam? He makes no sense either way, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Pattymarie]

You just reminded me that GA said he used the Nigerian scam thing as an excuse because it sounded better than saying that he simply gambled the money away.

Do I have this right? I think he told LE that and said that CA still didn't know the truth. He thought being scammed would be more forgiveable.

I think GA has an addictive personality.

I have long wondered why the addictions of this family have not been allowed to be "sleuthed." (Or have they and I just missed it?)

Alcohol and drug abuse is a common denominator in most dysfunctional families. Also, it is a common denominator in many "extreme" acts. Was the late night fight between KC and her mom a sober fight? (likely not) Did the murder occur with or without pharmaceutical help? I have always wondered this. And now I wonder how KC functions without smokes, pot, beer, etc while in jail. Is she clearer? Is her mom?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Well that would explain why GA never went to work for the post office. My husband had a gun and common sense. He was probably safer than most civilians.

Or any job that involved a ladder or being near water or ------.
Heck, I'm surprised he was 'allowed' to be a security guard. No gun, right?
Very dangerous. :crazy:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I have long wondered why the addictions of this family have not been allowed to be "sleuthed." (Or have they and I just missed it?)

Alcohol and drug abuse is a common denominator in most dysfunctional families. Also, it is a common denominator in many "extreme" acts. Was the late night fight between KC and her mom a sober fight? (likely not) Did the murder occur with or without pharmaceutical help? I have always wondered this. And now I wonder how KC functions without smokes, pot, beer, etc while in jail. Is she clearer? Is her mom?

I guess because GA told LE he doesn't drink. :waitasec: I wonder why he had beer with him the night he was going to kill himself?

That said, he does look pretty good for his age and is not all flabby or puffy. I actually thought CA looked more that way in the beginning, changed for awhile, but is now starting to look that way again. I'm not talking about weight per se, more like a puffy sort of weight that I've seen people before who are prone to drinking heavily.

 

[OneLostGrl]

So?
Are you thinking this was the one time Cindy told the truth? :waitasec:

Same question:

Good question.. but the one thing we see with our own eyes is she doesn't cover for George.She makes sure we know his faults.( It's Casey she covers for) So it makes no sense she would say she made him quit if he really lost the job- she'd surely just tell us of his failure.
imo

 

[OneLostGrl]

You just reminded me that GA said he used the Nigerian scam thing as an excuse because it sounded better than saying that he simply gambled the money away.

Do I have this right? I think he told LE that and said that CA still didn't know the truth. He thought being scammed would be more forgiveable.

I think GA has an addictive personality.

Me too and I think he probably spent the money on the and ho's we know he enjoys. He's a child in a man's body. I don't think Cindy created him I think his mother probably did but that's just me.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Woe, I think it was the opposite, GA said he told CA that he lost the money gambling because he was too embarrassed to admit that he (Mr Police officer)fell for the scam? He makes no sense either way, as far as I'm concerned.

lol He rarely does. :crazy:

 

[OneLostGrl]

I guess because GA told LE he doesn't drink. :waitasec: I wonder why he had beer with him the night he was going to kill himself?

That said, he does look pretty good for his age and is not all flabby or puffy. I actually thought CA looked more that way in the beginning, changed for awhile, but is now starting to look that way again. I'm not talking about weight per se, more like a puffy sort of weight that I've seen people before who are prone to drinking heavily.

It's funny he says he doesn't drink but then says he played beer pong with Casey

 

[OneLostGrl]

I have long wondered why the addictions of this family have not been allowed to be "sleuthed." (Or have they and I just missed it?)

Alcohol and drug abuse is a common denominator in most dysfunctional families. Also, it is a common denominator in many "extreme" acts. Was the late night fight between KC and her mom a sober fight? (likely not) Did the murder occur with or without pharmaceutical help? I have always wondered this. And now I wonder how KC functions without smokes, pot, beer, etc while in jail. Is she clearer? Is her mom?

From the start I have felt Cindy was on Benzo's (xanax or Klonopin- probably not "abusing" just taking a high prescribed dose) her behavior was so "benzo addict". I noticed a change in her behavior (also felt she seemed to be going through withdrawl rather than what others thought, that she was "on something") the night of the interview where she said nothing and let George and Michelle talk. Her extreme outbursts, her "in your face" argumentative attitude and angry stanse have mellowed big time since that date. She also doesn't seem to get as frazzled as easily (when we have been expozed to her- of course I have no idea how she acts when we can't see her) I think it's very possible that she was on benzo's when whatever went down, went down. I think Cindy seems much clearer now then she did at the start. I don't think Casey will ever be clear- on anything..

imo

 

[logicalgirl]

Good question.. but the one thing we see with our own eyes is she doesn't cover for George.She makes sure we know his faults.( It's Casey she covers for) So it makes no sense she would say she made him quit if he really lost the job- she'd surely just tell us of his failure.
imo

Sure it wasn't "quick cash" George who had the idea of going for the bigger pay cheque when it was obvious he wasn't going any where up in the force? IMO you give Cindy way too much credit. She's the safe stick to it stable job person by her actions. Not a risk taker.

 

[logicalgirl]

From the start I have felt Cindy was on Benzo's (xanax or Klonopin- probably not "abusing" just taking a high prescribed dose) her behavior was so "benzo addict". I noticed a change in her behavior (also felt she seemed to be going through withdrawl rather than what others thought, that she was "on something") the night of the interview where she said nothing and let George and Michelle talk. Her extreme outbursts, her "in your face" argumentative attitude and angry stanse have mellowed big time since that date. She also doesn't seem to get as frazzled as easily (when we have been expozed to her- of course I have no idea how she acts when we can't see her) I think it's very possible that she was on benzo's when whatever went down, went down. I think Cindy seems much clearer now then she did at the start. I don't think Casey will ever be clear- on anything..

imo

I think CA is bi-polar - so many of her actions were to me, with a family full of manic depressives, so clearly fitting with that pattern. I'd guess she's on a dose of lithum, with an accompanying tranq, which would explain her weight gain.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Pregnancy denial linked to lifestyle

According to an article published in the journal Trauma, Violence, & Abuse in July, reviewing 40 years of research literature on infanticide and neonaticide, international research ''indicates that neonaticide is carried out by immature women who view their newborns as a threat to their lifestyles''.

They tended to be under 25, unmarried, often living with their parents, unemployed or attending school.

''These women often claim to feel passive or powerless, yet their actions of concealing the pregnancy, labour, and corpse strongly suggest they are able to function in their own best interest,'' the researchers said.

This sounds so much like Casey I had to post it. I really think her intention all along when she found out she was pregnant was to 'get rid of' the baby, she may just have got away with it in that household too if Cindy's brother Rick hadn't intervened and forced the family to admit the existence of Caylee, at least for awhile anyway.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pregnancy-denial-linked-to-lifestyle-20101214-18wwg.html

 

[essies]

Pregnancy denial linked to lifestyle

This sounds so much like Casey I had to post it. I really think her intention all along when she found out she was pregnant was to 'get rid of' the baby, she may just have got away with it in that household too if Cindy's brother Rick hadn't intervened and forced the family to admit the existence of Caylee, at least for awhile anyway. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pregnancy-denial-linked-to-lifestyle-20101214-18wwg.html

BBM
So so True Mrs G-and she probably would have gotten away with it if Cindy hadn't called 911 in an effort to make KC tell her where Caylee was. A decision I'm sure Cindy regrets to this day and will for the rest of her life.
I don't think Caylee was ever viewed as a person but rather a cute, sweet distraction from their problems and a bargaining tool which the family used to manipulate each other!
I'm not saying they didn't love her-I'm sure they did. It's just that their "love" is so tangled up with their dysfunction that there wasn't room for Caylee's needs to come first as they should have. She needed so much more than a mountain of toys, tons of clothes and costumes and photos!
My grandmother used to say about my grandfather (a horrible man)-"He loves us in his way-it just doesn't weigh enough!" :banghead:
God Bless her-looking back now I can see how his narcississtic personality and his addiction to alcohol outweighed every member of his family. Although I'm sure he would have said "Of course I love my wife and family dearly!" Words are cheap-but the ripple of his actions affected many around him.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think CA is bi-polar - so many of her actions were to me, with a family full of manic depressives, so clearly fitting with that pattern. I'd guess she's on a dose of lithum, with an accompanying tranq, which would explain her weight gain.

There is a list of the meds they found in the A's medicine cabinet somewhere in Discovery. I guess because they considered that Caylee could have gotten hold of pills on her own or to see what they may have been giving her. I don't recall seeing lithium on the list but that doesn't mean she's not taking it now.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM Woe, do you really think Casey would sit in jail for 2.5 years, facing a possible death sentence for her dear old dad? Didn't she and George lock horns a lot too?

You make a good point. Maybe they're waiting to drop the bomb at the trial and that's why the Defense seems so lame regarding collecting the evidence.

No one can tell me that one or the other of the A's didn't know about Caylee prior to the 31 days. I cannot forget CA's text that read something like 'we have a big problem, call me.' And 'why didn't she pick up the car?' CA sent that when she found out the Pontiac had been towed. People gloss over these 'minor' (NOT!) things. How can you explain those comments? How can we explain CA letting Caylee be out of HER sight for 31 days - it just doesn't match up with her personality or their family history. To me that's as weird as the idea that KC would be pretending to take the fall for her dad. :waitasec: How can the A's remain silent and not tell the truth for all this time? They've demonstrated they're lying so many times; to me, they are guilty.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I think CA is bi-polar - so many of her actions were to me, with a family full of manic depressives, so clearly fitting with that pattern. I'd guess she's on a dose of lithum, with an accompanying tranq, which would explain her weight gain.

I'm just not seeing Bipolar in Cindy.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Sure it wasn't "quick cash" George who had the idea of going for the bigger pay cheque when it was obvious he wasn't going any where up in the force? IMO you give Cindy way too much credit. She's the safe stick to it stable job person by her actions. Not a risk taker.

Who knows? That's the point, none of us know what the truth is. We can only go by the different versions of the story they tell and put them all in a box, shake it up and pick one. They all could have been telling the same lie for years about this or that so to them it's the truth now. We've established that they adjust circumstances to make the story sound in their favor.