Casey & Family Psychological Profile #3

[OneLostGrl]

Parrot gets a WHOLE box of crackers!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Brilliant bird!

I know, she is gooood!! We should pimp her out to Nancy Grace! How 'bout it, Kiki? LOL

 

[OneLostGrl]

And the madness is not going to ever end unless Cindy gets some real help somehow. In an email to Lois as per the daily update thread Cindy is still proclaiming KC's innocence. Not that I expected any less but the trial is going to be interesting to watch...lots more insight into Cindy's mind.:bang:

yeah, huh?! d@nm, sombody needs to step in and help that woman.

 

[Brini]

I know, she is gooood!! We should pimp her out to Nancy Grace! How 'bout it, Kiki? LOL

With a perch in one of those bubbles where the guests talk from. We could put her bubble just above LPs.

 

[reeseeva]

Question...

I heard on Issues with JVM tonight that one of the "Talking Heads" (blond lady - can't remember who) mentioned Casey's psych eval, and said that they found sociopathic traits or tendancies or something like that. While I don't doubt it for a minute, this is the first I've heard of anyone mentioning anything "abnormal" found during the evals. Have we even heard word of what was found in the evals?

TIA!

I heard the same thing......she said she has had Many psychologial evaluations, mentioning sociopathic tendencies & :waitasecathological lying:waitasec:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Not that I am aware of. And trust me if it were made public I'd be all over it LOL.

You and me both!! She is such an interesting p.o.w. (piece of work, prisoner of war, pathologically oppressed woman, person of worth...or choose your own...)

We should pimp her out to Nancy Grace! How 'bout it, Kiki? LOL

"That's NOT what I ASKED you Kiki!!" :whip: Ouch!

(Er, that's okay :shakehead: but thanks for the compliment anyway lol!)

:blowkiss:

 

[OneLostGrl]

you and me both!! She is such an interesting p.o.w. (piece of work, prisoner of war, pathologically oppressed woman, person of worth...or choose one of your own...)



"that's not what i asked you kiki!!" ouch! :whip:

(er, that's okay... But thanks for the compliment anyway lol!)
:blowkiss:

lol..

 

[kiki the parrot]

lol..

Actually maybe we oughta be getting a psych eval on NG... LOL

:crazy:

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Ok. I have no problem admitting when I may be wrong. So here goes. I heard on Nancy Grace last night when the guy was speaking (I didn't catch his name) and he said that Cindy said a few hours earlier that she loves and supports Casey and that in NO WAY did Casey murder Caylee. Now. Sorry. But this does goes far outside of denial. The ONLY way anyone could be like this is in fact that they are protecting their family member and I don't believe it's just Casey now that she is protecting. I believe Cindy has no choice but to maintain her position that Casey did not kill Caylee because I believe she is now also protecting Lee. This is unreal.

From Nancy Grace last night:

GRACE: And we -- we also learned, back to Kathi Belich, WFTV.

Kathi, it`s my understanding that in the last 72 hours, Cindy Anthony has reiterated that her daughter had nothing to do with this.

BELICH: That`s what I understand. I understand she sent an e-mail over the weekend to a woman who`s daughter had been communicating with Casey Anthony and she told that woman that she believes that the nanny had something to do with this or the very least, I -- you know I could stand corrected on that. But she said that her daughter did not having anything to do with hurting Caylee.

GRACE: To Drew Petrimoulx, WDBO. Drew, are the Anthonys still sticking with the Zenaida Gonzalez story?

DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO, ON LOCATION WHERE CAYLEE`S BODY FOUND: They haven`t been talking about that. I did hear Brad Conway say something in reference to Zenaida Gonzalez, how the Zenaida Gonzalez that is in fact filed a civil suit against Casey, is not the person that they were talking about when they were talking about the babysitter who kidnapped her but they haven`t made a comment on that.

On the quote of what she recently said. She said, as for my daughter, she never hurt Caylee and that will be proven. She loved her deeply. So that was just in the last couple of hours here that that was released. So, apparently, she is still sticking by that her daughter is innocent.

 

[reeseeva]

Actually maybe we oughta be getting a psych eval on NG... LOL

:crazy:

:woohoo:
Kiki,
I'd love to hear YOUR evaluation of NG. Just for laughs, What are your thoughts?

 

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Originally Posted by cajun
That's when Cindy Anthony replied, "As for my daughter, she never hurt Caylee and that will be proven, she loved her deeply."

Cindy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.

'nuf said.

That sums it up perfect. The family disfunction spreads from there.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Do we really want to know what is in Cindy's mind? It might be pretty scary.

Okay, I'm off to my corner now.

Cindy reminds me sooo much of my mom. I'm not kidding when I say I could bring a dead body to my mother, admit that I am the one who killed the person and she would find something else to blame (the people I was hanging around with, drug use, mania or even blame the victim, whatever it took so long as it wasn't MY fault in her head) and would no doubt help me cover it up. I can even see her going to prison for me if the circumstances were right.

A mind like that is very scary, I agree!

 

[Capri]

Ok. I have no problem admitting when I may be wrong. So here goes. I heard on Nancy Grace last night when the guy was speaking (I didn't catch his name) and he said that Cindy said a few hours earlier that she loves and supports Casey and that in NO WAY did Casey murder Caylee. Now. Sorry. But this does goes far outside of denial. The ONLY way anyone could be like this is in fact that they are protecting their family member and I don't believe it's just Casey now that she is protecting. I believe Cindy has no choice but to maintain her position that Casey did not kill Caylee because I believe she is now also protecting Lee. This is unreal.

From Nancy Grace last night:

GRACE: And we -- we also learned, back to Kathi Belich, WFTV.

Kathi, it`s my understanding that in the last 72 hours, Cindy Anthony has reiterated that her daughter had nothing to do with this.

BELICH: That`s what I understand. I understand she sent an e-mail over the weekend to a woman who`s daughter had been communicating with Casey Anthony and she told that woman that she believes that the nanny had something to do with this or the very least, I -- you know I could stand corrected on that. But she said that her daughter did not having anything to do with hurting Caylee.

GRACE: To Drew Petrimoulx, WDBO. Drew, are the Anthonys still sticking with the Zenaida Gonzalez story?

DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO, ON LOCATION WHERE CAYLEE`S BODY FOUND: They haven`t been talking about that. I did hear Brad Conway say something in reference to Zenaida Gonzalez, how the Zenaida Gonzalez that is in fact filed a civil suit against Casey, is not the person that they were talking about when they were talking about the babysitter who kidnapped her but they haven`t made a comment on that.

On the quote of what she recently said. She said, as for my daughter, she never hurt Caylee and that will be proven. She loved her deeply. So that was just in the last couple of hours here that that was released. So, apparently, she is still sticking by that her daughter is innocent.

Why do I think that if KC hears that statement from CA, she'd be ticked off? Something about it just rubs me the wrong way. I dunno.

 

[Capri]

Cindy reminds me sooo much of my mom. I'm not kidding when I say I could bring a dead body to my mother, admit that I am the one who killed the person and she would find something else to blame (the people I was hanging around with, drug use, mania or even blame the victim, whatever it took so long as it wasn't MY fault in her head) and would no doubt help me cover it up. I can even see her going to prison for me if the circumstances were right.

A mind like that is very scary, I agree!

So, let me pick your brain for a minute, then, what do you think about Cindy's statement in the post above? How do you think KC would feel about CA saying it?

 

[eddeva]

it makes me think she's not only protecting casey, she's sucking up to her. childish, i know, but so is cindy.

 

[OneLostGrl]

So, let me pick your brain for a minute, then, what do you think about Cindy's statement in the post above? How do you think KC would feel about CA saying it?

This statement-? "as for my daughter, she never hurt Caylee and that will be proven. She loved her deeply"

I guess it depends on if Cindy knows what happened, if Casey told her anything... if Cindy is involved in a cover-up.

IMO If Cindy isn't involved and knows nothing I think Casey probably just feels she is pulling one over on her mom. Probably feeling smug, ya know?

 

[OneLostGrl]

it makes me think she's not only protecting casey, she's sucking up to her. childish, i know, but so is cindy.

I don't know.. at this point I think Cindy is more protecting her own sanity than anything else. She really is a very sick woman.. IMO

 

[maryaok]

Cindy aggravates me so. The way she's always shoving her husband to the back of her, this ridiculous denial of her daughter's involvement. The ridiculous discussions she has with Casey in JAIL. God that's not the way my mother ever talked to me. She's just infuriating.

This is a little OT but when Susan Smith killed her kids, I could have pushed the needle in her myself. But in a way, I give Casey a little bit more of a break, becuase it must have been so frustrating for her to grow up in this family. Life in prison is more app for Casey where SS, I think should have got death penalty. I never bought that crap about molestation. Never. IMO.

 

[elementary]

(bold mine) This is contrary to everything we've learned in 50 years re personality development and learned behavior which concludes sociopaths are made, not born. This "Bad Seed" mentality--the fatalistic notion of demon seeds and psycho genes suggesting that even the most skilled, child-centered, responsible parents who discipline consistently using appropriate boundaries are nevertheless helpless to train up empathic, moral and well-adjusted children--subtly blameshifts, scapegoats, excuses away, and undermines those very well established links. For those who believe KC eg is a true, coldblooded sociopath, most mental health experts have long reached a widely shared conclusion that sociopaths are NOT in fact born this way--rather to the contrary they've amassed a wealth of research and clinical evidence proving this is instead largely determined by parenting extremes during childhood..




No one is excusing KC or buying into her victimhood. I've said repeatedly that she must pay for her crimes, and that nothing w/in her past should allow her to escape the consequences of her behavior. And while I have compassion for anyone now living this nightmare, neither am I willing to blindly cast CA in the role as a sheer hapless victim of fate who suddenly found herself "trapped" by random forces over which she never had any influence. Narcissistic parents produce narcissistic children. And I've merely expressed the hope that by recognizing and understand this pattern we might as a society be better equipped to prevent the same tragedy from replaying itself over and over. If you have no interest in doing so, that's fine by me! JMO



Yes we do know. Despite every gritty detail which has emerged about this family there has been not one indication, so much as one person who has ever reported, nor any account given of any attempt by these parents to discipline, hold accountable much less seek outside counsel or intervention for their daughter nor to acknowledge she was out of control which would have done the unthinkable--exposed the family's "dirty laundry." We know KC would stop at nothing because nothing was done ("I should have been stopped a long time ago...") ie when KC had robbed them, LA, JG and others yet we know it isn't until she'd finally stooped so low as to drain her aging GP's retirement fund that CA in fact ever "reached out." We have instead a well established history of rescuing, enablement, failure to impose consequences coupled with turning a blind eye (to obvious lies, signs of unemployment, whereabouts, ad infinitum ad nauseum). Caylee's disappearance and death were hardly the beginning of CA's problems, nor did the causes appear overnight. It was the tragic yet inevitable consequence of no boundaries, in the making for years. JMO

Excuse me for interjecting here, but I can't help myself. The posts on this thread are thoughtfully quite dense so I haven't read everything.

I'd like to point out that the nature-nurture issue is nowhere near resolved. We largely have theories, and little proof.

I believe the perp to be a psychopath. She exhibits psychopathic traits, attitude and anti-social behaviours. If this is true about her, from all the literature I've studied there is a likelihood that psychopathy is hard-wired.

Robert Hare, a leading expert on psychopathy, has conducted EEG studies on adult ASPDs comparing their brain waves to that of non-conduct- disordered adolescents and found a similarity in brain patterns. This indicates to Hare that it is possible that an ASPD brain simply never fully matured.

There have also been twin studies that show that there can be a genetic predisposition to psychopathy.

The point I'm making is that the nature-nurture debate is by no means over.

But your point about the effects of narcissism is well-taken, though I am not sure that it's an inevitability that narcissists produce narcissists. I've puzzled over CA since the beginning. At first I thought she was suffering from Stockholm syndrome, a kind of weird take on loving your captor (the perp), or exhibiting behaviours of a cult member. Over time it became clear to me that CA was exhibiting narcissistic traits. Two behaviours come to mind: the way she blames everyone, and the way she brings the focus on herself, her feelings, how it's all affecting her.

There's this great British TV drama called "Wire in the Blood". In one episode the murderer of a child turned out to the mother who had Munchausen's. The psychologist figured out she was the killer because when she was pleading for her child's safe return, she kept talking about how it affected her, how she was suffering, etc.

I think that the perp is a hard-wired psychopath (nature). And I'm also thinking that CA's narcissism affected the perp's development in influencing and enabling and encouraging her narcissistic tendencies until they were massively full blown (nurture) to the point of murder. Mere pampering is not enough to create a murderer, IMO. I'm thinking that perhaps the motive for murder was the injury to the perp's narcissistic self. Without her mother's enabling, perhaps the perp would have been a different kind of psychopath. With it, it was a recipe for murder somewhere down the line, especially if it involved their enmeshment.

As an aside, their relationship is so enmeshed and so glaringly sick, I can't find words for it. It's like they're a single dynamic entity and no one else exists for them. I keep thinking folies a deux even though it can't be.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Cindy reminds me sooo much of my mom. I'm not kidding when I say I could bring a dead body to my mother, admit that I am the one who killed the person and she would find something else to blame (the people I was hanging around with, drug use, mania or even blame the victim, whatever it took so long as it wasn't MY fault in her head) and would no doubt help me cover it up. I can even see her going to prison for me if the circumstances were right.

A mind like that is very scary, I agree!

But if that dead body was her granddaughter would she blame the granddaughter?

 

[reeseeva]

This statement-? "as for my daughter, she never hurt Caylee and that will be proven. She loved her deeply"

I guess it depends on if Cindy knows what happened, if Casey told her anything... if Cindy is involved in a cover-up.

IMO If Cindy isn't involved and knows nothing I think Casey probably just feels she is pulling one over on her mom. Probably feeling smug, ya know?

I think what's interesting is her choice of words, "she never HURT Caylee". Makes me think she knows or was told it was an accident & will be proven?? That was my initial feeling.

Also wondering, if now that KC is in the driver's seat, ( not Cindy) with JB bowing to her for his newfound glory, that she is feeling her own power, for the first time in her life, & realizes she does not need or want Cindy speaking for her