Casey & Family Psychological Profile #3

[passionflower]

Not trying in any way shapes of form to defend anything KC has done, but as a person with a siezure disorder I have lost long periods of time. I consealed it for 5 years until I was driving with a friend to my sisters house and half way there I forgot where I was, who I was with and where I was going. I did not have an accident she alerted me something was wrong. I had many tests and mri of brain and was found to be epileptic. I no longer drive and my siezure have become worse, but in the begining I would just space out and not remember anything.

It has been said that KC has had at least one siezure, it is entirely possible that she is in the begining stages of full blown epilespys. It took 5 years for mine to develope to that stage. It was a result of falling on ice.

I also have zone out seizures from brain tumor, but what seems like eternity is only a minute or so. In that time period, I cannot do anything. Others just think I'm watching TV or ignoring them. Actually no one can tell unless they ask a question and I do not answer. IMO, kc didn't have a seizure, she would be on Keppra or some other drug. I think she faked it or it was drugs and alcohol. Why no doctor follow ups?

 

[Lil'E]

I can assure you even if Casey had epilepsy....that has nothing to do with the murder of Caylee.

Epilepsy and seizures does not, in my opinion, account for any of Casey Anthony's personality, actions and/or demeanors.

I am so sorry about your son, it is such a terrible disorder to live with. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your child.

I also agree with what you said above, and I was not trying to make any excuses for KC's behavior. Was only commenting that one does lose track of time to the poster who was talking about what KioMarie had said about KC not remembering things that happened the day before. If it was not drug induced memory loss, it could be that she does have a health problem on top of her psychosis. I do not know of anyone with the disorder who has done anything remotely like what KC has done. She is truely demented IMHO.

 

[passionflower]

YM said the kc was very hard and a diabolical liar..........evil indeed! KC remembers what is important to kc. kc blows off everything else............IMO

 

[Lil'E]

I also have zone out seizures from brain tumor, but what seems like eternity is only a minute or so. In that time period, I cannot do anything. Others just think I'm watching TV or ignoring them. Actually no one can tell unless they ask a question and I do not answer. IMO, kc didn't have a seizure, she would be on Keppra or some other drug. I think she faked it or it was drugs and alcohol. Why no doctor follow ups?

Hello Passionflower.

Exactly,that is what I go through as well, nobody noticed unless they speak to me and I do not answer. My family noticed most often at meal time when I would just go blank and stare, not answering them. I don't recall anything until I snap out of it. On the other hand, I also have tonic-clonic seizure, in which I lose track of the whole day. I take 400 mg of phenytoin ex a day for mine, was on depakote but it was useless in my case.

I too think KC may have been on drugs or alcohol or possibly faked it, after all the girl was an attention hound. Surely if she really had a seizure her mother would see to it that she addressed the problem and had her meds everyday.


I am so sorry about your condition. rayer:

 

[Brini]

I'm not sure about not being allowed to drive. I go in for an MRI tomorrow and an EEG on Tuesday because I have had episodes of "lost time." I asked my nuerologist if I needed to stop driving until he figured out what was wrong and he said I could drive around the city, but not to drive on the highway. However, I refuse to drive until they find out what is wrong.

Good on you!

I hope your EEG yields reassuring news of a very manageable problem.

All my best wishes.:blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

Not trying in any way shapes of form to defend anything KC has done, but as a person with a siezure disorder I have lost long periods of time. I consealed it for 5 years until I was driving with a friend to my sisters house and half way there I forgot where I was, who I was with and where I was going. I did not have an accident she alerted me something was wrong. I had many tests and mri of brain and was found to be epileptic. I no longer drive and my siezure have become worse, but in the begining I would just space out and not remember anything.

It has been said that KC has had at least one siezure, it is entirely possible that she is in the begining stages of full blown epilespys. It took 5 years for mine to develope to that stage. It was a result of falling on ice.

I'm sorry about your condition!:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

Thank you, that's really sweet of you!
YOUR strength is admirable, woman! I don't know if I could make it in a situation like yours, for real!! :blowkiss:

Please don't ever feel guilty (or allow her to make you feel guilty) for protecting yourself against what your daughter has allowed herself to become. You are doing the right thing! I pray she will see what she is doing to herself and get help, sooner rather than later! :blowkiss:

Exactly! And please remember.. it's Not. Your. Fault. Nothing you did made it and nothing you can do will fix it. :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: It's all up to her.

 

[Brini]

Bolding above is mine.
I know I'm a bit late with my reponse to this post but it is bordering on my thought process through this whole Caylee crisis.

I love everyones' input.....fascinating!
I love the links especially that of Dr. Mitchell!

But the MPD aspect has been in the back of my mind for a long time and now that the defense hasn't much to go on unless Casey decides to take a deal -plead to lessor, I have been thinking about it more and more.

What if *follow along like you are interested even though you might think I might be talking out of my hat. lol*
What if "When it all comes out in court you will all be surprised/know the whole story" turns out to be "Casey has had a deep dark secret for years that she has been afraid to tell anyone. That secret is that Casey loses time. She can't remember what she did an hour ago sometimes. As an example; She will be going along just fine and suddenly find herself in her car driving but doesn't know where she was supposed to be going".

Maybe not MPD but something else, something that started happening maybe in Jr. or Sr. high?
Could there be an illness, much like alchoholics black out and don't remember what they did, where Casey blacked out or lost time and her repeated words to LE, family and anyone who'd listen were "I don't know where Caylee is" is the truth?

NOT that I am defending Casey in any way but I guess my mind can't wrap around any of the facts...that a mom, with all she had going for her, would kill a precious baby like Caylee. I'm trying to make some sense of it all...even bought the book 'Erased' by Marilee Strong in hopes of helping me come to grips with what has happened.

I'm just wondering if there isn't some medical condition that Casey has that she has been keeping secret...the whole 'perfect impression of the family' and all that she's been taught, to keep it hidden.

In my own family, when a family member finally came clean and told the family about her bipolar, the family changed the subject.
Most of the family said there is no way there could be mental illness in the family and didn't believe family member, the other members refused to discuss it with the bipolar family member and a few won't speak to bipolar family member saying she is 'sick' and 'could kill someone at any moment'.
I'm telling this because maybe Casey knew darn well what would happen if she told any family member about her losing time or not remembering instances weeks, days or even hours ago. I can imagine her family and what they would say/do!

So in Casey's family, maybe Casey would be afraid to tell anyone in her family that she was losing time and in fact really doesn't remember what happened to Caylee...especially if her family is anything like mine when it comes to sweeping things under the rug and keeping up all appearances no matter the cost.

OK, don't hit me with a wet noodle ...I'm just rambling...trying to make some sense of it all.

There's no family recollection or medical record of KC, "losing time." She keeps VERY good track of her boyfriends' events and the happenings at Fusian.

But, I think you're right about the family. They are a lot like mine, as well.

All of the psychiatric pundits and editorialists have come to the same conclusion-- KC is a sociopath.

If she had DID (latest name for MPD), it would have been obvious from childhood. And, she would likely have been busted by one of her own "alters," spilling the beans.

BTW-- DID is ONLY found in the US, and many shrinks think it is iatrogenic (doctor-caused). This is partly because the famous MPD sufferers, like "Sybil" and "Eve" ceased to have "alters" when they changed doctors.

 

[Alpha Leader]

I have re-read this thread several times and find the testimonials of posters with analogous family dynamics the most informative. I have also researched the internet about personality disorders and such. In this research, I have yet to find a convincing explanation of the underlying motives of the 'enabler' in a dysfunctional family. I am convinced as other are that CA was the main enabler and the often the motive posited it that she placed a high status on appearances. At what point or level would this motive be overcome or this there a alternative motive ?

 

[LCoastMom]

I'm sorry. it was an assumption on my part that she told JG by her birthday, or around her third month. I shouldn't have posted that. I wasn't expecting a response, really just wanted to provoke thought as to a sudden behavior change. I deleted my post but you responded before I took it off.
Again, sorry, I have no desire to start rumors.

Noted and edited! ITA :blowkiss: there are enough rumors in this case to support 2 or 3 other cases! I had heard 2 of Jesse's recent interviews. Thought he dropped that on one I missed. It's now gone forever or at least until someone else brings it up!:crazy:

 

[LCoastMom]

It was Ryan. She knew him since age six, and he said she was always a liar. JB called him to try to get a character witness.

Thanks, had a touch of insomnia in here last night. Couldn't sleep but brain completely shut down. Too bad it doesn't stop my fingers too!:doh:

 

[kageykaren]

The attention to the many disorders some people must learn to deal with, has been so beneficial to educating the people who read here. Knowledge is power. Just to read peoples experiences with seizure disorder, grief, personality disorders, ect... educate the masses & takes ignorance and fear away. Trust me, even ignorance is shown by eduated people as well. My sons first nuerologist assigned to him after his 6 complex partial seizure going into tonic clonic told my son and I that in his country people fish flop on the ground and think they are having a religous experiance and all it is, is a brain malfunction. This doctor spoke so flippantly so I was left to putting this doctor in his place. These discussions are one of the best blessings that have come out of this tragedy.

 

[LCoastMom]

I have re-read this thread several times and find the testimonials of posters with analogous family dynamics the most informative. I have also researched the internet about personality disorders and such. In this research, I have yet to find a convincing explanation of the underlying motives of the 'enabler' in a dysfunctional family. I am convinced as other are that CA was the main enabler and the often the motive posited it that she placed a high status on appearances. At what point or level would this motive be overcome or this there a alternative motive ?

Hmmm...I'm guessing, an enabler will continue as long as there is personal gain (power, position, love, money; whatever the particular enabler placed in high value)

I think the relationship between KC and CA was more complicated than that. KC was the controlling force in her family, she knew it and CA knew it. CA didn't so much enable KC, as CA had no idea how to deal with KC. Exchanging control for peace in the household (or at least the appearance of peace) was CA giving up, more then giving in.

This doesn't work, will never work, when dealing with a KC. She will continue to wreck havoc, until there is nothing left. CA had finally realized she was out of her league when she went to the counselor who advised kicking KC to the curb and taking custody of Caylee.

I don't remember hearing when CA started seeing the therapist but I'll bet the timing is important. It wouldn't surprise me if therapy started around March. Changing CA was not something that happened in 1 visit. Just like everything else, it was a process.

CA taking charge and taking custody was the last straw, Caylee was getting the love that belonged to her and KC wasn't standing for that any longer. It was bad enough Caylee took so much time and effort away from KC's real interests, she was not allowing Caylee to have her position in the family as the reigning princess too. The only way for KC to insure her place in the family was to dispose of Caylee.

Think about some of the families you knew when you were growing up, there's always someone who will stand out as having the perfectly kept yard, the perfect pet, the perfectly (over kept) children who never appeared to get dirty, hair always in place, nails manicured, shoes shined. These households were run by a CA. How many of these families ever "lost" a child or grandchild the way KC "lost" Caylee?

To blame CA's personality type for KC's evil doing absolves KC of responsibility.

 

[Noniegrace]

I often wonder how different things would have been if Caylee was a boy. The new princess usurping the old one is certainly (not absolutely) part of the motive. Both CA and KC have such disregard for the men in their family, how different would it have been? Maybe she'd have been allowed to adopt him out.

 

[LCoastMom]

I also have zone out seizures from brain tumor, but what seems like eternity is only a minute or so. In that time period, I cannot do anything. Others just think I'm watching TV or ignoring them. Actually no one can tell unless they ask a question and I do not answer. IMO, kc didn't have a seizure, she would be on Keppra or some other drug. I think she faked it or it was drugs and alcohol. Why no doctor follow ups?

In the last docs there is a copy of the eval done by FD/EMT who responded to Jesse's 911 call.

Jesse told LE, following a night a heavy drinking. KC got up in the morning, left his apt and returned. He didn't know where she went or what she did. They both then "passed out" in front of the TV. When he woke a couple hours later he found her in the middle of a seizure, turned her on her side and called 911.

She was transported to the ER in an ambulance, treated and released.

We don't know that she didn't have follow up care, but one seizure after consuming mass quantities of alcohol doesn't sound like epilepsy to me. Knowing her habit of consuming alcohol on a regular basis would not make her the prime candidate for Rx therapy. If she were my PT I would take a wait and see approach. But I'm not her Dr so I'm just guessing like everyone else.

 

[Luminous]

BTW-- DID is ONLY found in the US, and many shrinks think it is iatrogenic (doctor-caused). This is partly because the famous MPD sufferers, like "Sybil" and "Eve" ceased to have "alters" when they changed doctors.

DID is only found in the USA because the term is US-specific.

The name was changed in the US via the American Psychiatric Association's publication of the DSM-IV to reflect changes in their diagnostic criteria in 1994 (from MPD to DID), and was pushed by the non-patient seeing portions of the membership (teachers, researchers, etc).

Dr Ralph Allison has written about the change and the issues it caused (ie rather than trying to either integrate or teach the different personalities how to work in harmony so that the patient could be functional, practitioners were now, with the new diagnostic criteria, supposed to instead cure them of the delusion that they were more than one person. This was a massive shift and much less helpful from a therapeutical standpoint).

MPD is still the diagnostic term in other english speaking countries.

The name being US-only has nothing to do with the very unethical doctors who wrote sensational and highly fictionalised books about their patients.

 

[LCoastMom]

I often wonder how different things would have been if Caylee was a boy. The new princess usurping the old one is certainly (not absolutely) part of the motive. Both CA and KC have such disregard for the men in their family, how different would it have been? Maybe she'd have been allowed to adopt him out.

Interesting.

CA and GA both seem to hold Lee in high regard. Remember CA saying to KC in one of the jail visits that Lee is holding the family together?

A baby boy would have been a different dynamic in the family and wouldn't have threatened KC's position as princess.

 

[Brini]

DID is only found in the USA because the term is US-specific.

The name was changed in the US via the American Psychiatric Association's publication of the DSM-IV to reflect changes in their diagnostic criteria in 1994 (from MPD to DID), and was pushed by the non-patient seeing portions of the membership (teachers, researchers, etc).

Dr Ralph Allison has written about the change and the issues it caused (ie rather than trying to either integrate or teach the different personalities how to work in harmony so that the patient could be functional, practitioners were now, with the new diagnostic criteria, supposed to instead cure them of the delusion that they were more than one person. This was a massive shift and much less helpful from a therapeutical standpoint).

MPD is still the diagnostic term in other english speaking countries.

The name being US-only has nothing to do with the very unethical doctors who wrote sensational and highly fictionalised books about their patients.

Interesting. Thanks!

I was a psych case manager in the 80s, during the MPD psychiatric fad. Borderlines with generous insurance maxes were dxed: MPD 2nd to Satanic Ritual Abuse. One particular hospital in So. CA was in the forefront of the fad. Pts.were often so diagnosed after amytal interviews.

The hospital psych program lost it's credentialling. It's medical director was often called, "A sociopath with a license, " by other shrinks.

A number of the patients got much better and clearer after they changed treators. Some sued the hospital.

Nasty era, that.

 

[Brini]

Interesting.

CA and GA both seem to hold Lee in high regard. Remember CA saying to KC in one of the jail visits that Lee is holding the family together?

A baby boy would have been a different dynamic in the family and wouldn't have threatened KC's position as princess.

A poster opined that LA might function as the "peacemaker" between the two women.

 

[Brini]

Thanks, had a touch of insomnia in here last night. Couldn't sleep but brain completely shut down. Too bad it doesn't stop my fingers too!:doh:

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