Casey & Family Psychological Profile #4

[LCoastMom]

Even if that were not the case she would have begun withdrawl from whatever drug people seem to think she was addicted to long before January. She has been in jail for quite some time now, no drugs, yet her behavior (lying, manipulating, treating parents like , me, me, me attitude, no show of concern whatsoever for her dead daughter, LAUGHING and flirting in court while her daughters remains are being discussed..) remains the same.
We also know her pattern of behavior was in effect while dating Jesse who says Casey didn't do drugs when they were together.

But by all means, people, keep grasping at straws, searching for the most far fetched "reasons" for why Casey acts the way she does when the most logical and simple answers are right in front of us. IMO.

People just can't K.I.S.S. (keep it simple silly) when it comes to this case!! They are going to continue turning over the same rock, over and over. (hey, isn't that the definition of insanity? Repeating the same actions over and over, thinking you will get different results?) I think this case has done it, pushed a lot of seemingly normal people past the brink to insanity! I've been saying all along KC was enough to make anyone crazy!! :crazy:

I was doing a little "light" reading this afternoon, on the Psych 3 thread. I came across a post regarding another website and a particular contributor to the blog. Before I got any farther into #3, I decided to go check out this other site :bang: here's her latest contribution:

#469 — February 3, 2009 @ 13:18PM — Marcia Neil
There is an influence network that calls out picketers and people who will make signs and so forth -- they operate through the telephone to elicit "reply" and "report" which are used to initiate immediate actions (right or wrong). Participation is not always voluntary; it is takes complaints to police to be free from the network, but look at how many police have been shot in this most recent decade. :crazy:

Probably one of her more articulate posts, and so on topic regarding KC being a sociopath... :waitasec: :banghead:

OneLostGirl after reading Marcia's first post, it was like watching a train wreck, in very slow motion. I couldn't look away! I had to keep plowing on to find what her next comment was going to be. :whistle:

 

[littlemisslegal]

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/200...-and-manipulations-of-a-malignant-narcissist/

 

[bookworm474]

Very good summary!

So, if parents of a malignant narcissist are so close in relationship and so use to the personality quirks it almost requires outside intervention to help them understand how to deal with the behavior and deception.

The first order of business is getting young people into constructive activities and never allow the lies and denial to build until all reality is buried.

It will be interesting to see what good analytical psychologist can offer as explanations about the nature of Casey's fantasy world and pathological lying across the board.

Something deep in her development when wrong.

 

[DAWN TREADER]

Thanks LML - interesting that someone else thinks malignant narcissism could be a factor in the tragic murder of Caylee Marie Anthony. Going to check out the link now.

DT :wave:

 

[BetsyB]

Excellent summary--thank you

 

[littlemisslegal]

Casey Anthony Case: The Curious Coincidence of the Heart Shaped Sticker at the Crime Scene and the Heart Photoshopped on Caylee’s Photo


http://deathby1000papercuts.com/200...-and-the-heart-photoshopped-on-caylees-photo/

Posted by LBG1 on January 22nd, 2009 8 Comments Printer-Friendly

Casey and Caylee Anthony
Killers almost always leave clues at their crime scenes, either inadvertently or intentionally. In the case of little Caylee Anthony, her killer left behind a heart shaped clue: an indentation in the shape of a small heart on the duct tape that covered Caylee’s remains. A small heart sticker, the same size and shape as the indentation, was recovered at the scene. Investigators believe the sticker was placed on the duct tape that covered little Caylee’s mouth intentionally.
Forensic psychologists will have a field day discussing the motives behind the heart shaped sticker.
When we were perusing evidence photos relating to the Casey Anthony case, we discovered a photo that belonged to Casey Anthony that was retrieved from her Photobucket account. The date the photo was posted on the site: June 3, 2008. Someone had photoshopped a small heart onto the bottom left side of the photo.

Photo retrieved from Casey Anthony’s Photobucket account
In Discovery documents released by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, Casey’s remains were found wrapped in a black plastic bag then placed inside a laundry bag. Caylee’s skull was found with silver duct tape placed across the mouth and attached to her hair. Forensic investigators later detected the heart shaped indentation, indicating that someone had placed a heart shaped sticker over the duct tape.
Inside the bag, investigators found clothing: a small pair of white shorts, size 2T, with vertical stripes, a shirt, size 3T, small cloth iron on letters, as well as a Winnie the Pooh blanket. At the crime scene, investigators also discovered a small toy plastic horse.
A Search Warrant requested that investigators search the Anthony home for any type of similar toy horse. Also in the search warrant: arts and crafts material, stickers, scrapbooking material, as well as Casey Anthony’s shoes and the clothing Caylee was last seen wearing on June 16.
The next photo was found by investigators to have been posted by Casey on her photobucket account:

As well as this one which was posted on May 31:

On July 7, Casey Anthony wrote the following entry on her MySpace page. The entry was subsequently deleted:

On the worst of worst days,
Remember the words spoken.
Trust no one,
only yourself.
With great power,
comes great consequence.
What is given,
can be taken away.
Everyone lies.
Everyone dies.
Life will never be easy.
On the worst of worst days,
Remember the words spoken.
Hold your head high.
Smile.
Laugh.
Love unconditionally.
Tomorrow is a brand new day.
[Currently watching American Psycho]
​

July 7 is also significant as it would be the same day that Casey Anthony posted a reply to her mother Cindy’s Myspace message:

In a MySpace entry, Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy Anthony, wrote, “The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning. Where did she go?”
About Caylee, Cindy Anthony wrote, “Who is now watching out for the little angel?”
On July 7, Casey Anthony wrote back in an online poem: “What is given can be taken away. Everyone lies, everyone dies.”
​

While the significance of the heart shaped sticker which left an imprint on the duct tape covering Caylee’s mouth has yet to be ascertained, the photo found by investigators on Casey Anthony’s Photobucket account, a photo of Caylee, with a heart photoshopped on the bottom left hand corner, seems to be almost too eerie to dismiss as coincidental.
Yesterday I wrote about Casey Anthony and how she, a malignant narcissist, had a pattern of manipulating her parents. In the article I cited a story reported by CFNews where Cindy claimed that Casey “may be trying to send “clues” to her family while incarcerated at the Orange County Correction Center:

Even more bizarre was a report from CFNews 13 on July 21 where Cindy claimed that Casey “knows” where Caylee is and that Casey may be trying to send “clues” to her family “but isn’t able to tell the whole story to investigators”.
“Her plan was to get us all back together, and I think her plan has changed and I think that’s what happened,” said Cindy Anthony. “Her plan changed halfway through, and she doesn’t know where it’s at right now. I truly believe Casey knows who has Caylee but it’s code name. That’s why they can’t find that person just yet.”
​

What’s interesting to note is Casey’s mother’s observation that her daughter had a penchant for sending oblique messages or “clues”.
At this juncture, the only connection regarding the heart sticker at the crime scene and the photo of Caylee with the red heart is merely conjecture. Hopefully someday, someone, will be ascertain the reason why and when the person who killed little Caylee chose to put a heart sticker on the duct tape covering her mouth.
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[DAWN TREADER]

Re: narcissists ... "essentially mental three-year-olds, and troubled ones at that."

http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/04/narcissism-pathological-competitiveness.html

 

[DAWN TREADER]

Is anyone really surpised that Casey would make a statement on the eve of the public memorial adding to the drama this family seemingly thrives on?

DT

 

[itsyourworld]

Is anyone really surpised that Casey would make a statement on the eve of the public memorial adding to the drama this family seemingly thrives on?

DT

i think it is quite sad that, even if she is accused, her own parents determined to ignore her wishes for a private service for Caylee.

 

[DAWN TREADER]

i think it is quite sad that, even if she is accused, her own parents determined to ignore her wishes for a private service for Caylee.

Yes, there is nothing to be gained by Cindy and Casey continuing to fight over this poor child ... except the need to be in "control" which is what I suspect this is really all about.

DT

 

[bookworm474]

Well, it would have been CA and Ga's WISH that Caylee were alive and free. Since she is not and Casey appears responsible for that fact, the grandparents have the moral high ground on this issue.

 

[OneLostGrl]

yes, there is nothing to be gained by cindy and casey continuing to fight over this poor child ... Except the need to be in "control" which is what i suspect this is really all about.

Dt

ita!!

 

[itsyourworld]

Well, it would have been CA and Ga's WISH that Caylee were alive and free. Since she is not and Casey appears responsible for that fact, the grandparents have the moral high ground on this issue.

there is a moral high ground here? Caylee was a bone of contention from the moment she was born, through her short little life and as her life was snuffed out. selfishness was served like vitamins in that family. there is no moral high ground to continue to whack at each other over a dead little girl. no one is taking a step back in that family to demonstrate love. it's all about the show. all about the memememememememememememe selfishness they all grasp tightly into their own set of hands.

today this family disgusts me more than i can possibly convey. every last one of them.

 

[Tinsel]

i think it is quite sad that, even if she is accused, her own parents determined to ignore her wishes for a private service for Caylee.

Oh, I don't think it's sad.

KC is toxic. She has poisoned the lives of everyone she's ever come in contact with, with lies, manipulation, and crimes.

She's lost any right to a say in how Caylee should be memorialized. I think it's right to leave that to the grandparents who sought to protect and help her every way they could.

Even if the grandparents are in need of psychiatric treatment themselves--I don't think they are particularly unusual peeople. It's KC who is unusual. She has no empathy for people she hurts.

:chicken:

 

[itsyourworld]

Oh, I don't think it's sad.

KC is toxic. She has poisoned the lives of everyone she's ever come in contact with, with lies, manipulation, and crimes.

She's lost any right to a say in how Caylee should be memorialized. I think it's right to leave that to the grandparents who sought to protect and help her every way they could.

Even if the grandparents are in need of psychiatric treatment themselves--I don't think they are particularly unusual peeople. It's KC who is unusual. She has no empathy for people she hurts.

:chicken:

it's quite obvious where she got it.

 

[concentric]

littlemisslegal

I agree that KC fits the trait profile of a malignant narcissist. Since I had not seen the movie "American Psycho," I looked up some reviews. NY Times film reviews have always been reliable for me when analyzing film: Check out third paragraph down, concerning the main character: ...force us to identify with this ultimate narcissist

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9B05E6DC113EF937A25757C0A9669C8B63

KC wrote:

On the worst of worst days,
Remember the words spoken.
Trust no one,
only yourself.
With great power,
comes great consequence.
What is given,
can be taken away.
Everyone lies.
Everyone dies.
Life will never be easy.
On the worst of worst days,
Remember the words spoken.
Hold your head high.
Smile.
Laugh.
Love unconditionally.
Tomorrow is a brand new day.
[Currently watching American Psycho]
-----------------------------------

IMO, Moral Relativism is present in the above as well. Comment?​

 

[bookworm474]

I hear folks complain that people are peer controlled. It seems that Casey was peer controlled as she didn't take what her parents offered by being honest or trustworthy. If trustworthiness were the root virtue, that would tell that all other virtues are probably warped or missing in that individual. With that kind of lack, she could hardly know what was best. She would be operating from an archaic sense of self preservation which meant that Caylee was in her way. She really has a primitive useless mind. That is why she needs a lawyer. She lost it somewhere.

 

[Everly]

Seriously, I find this analogy interesting. After seeing those jailhouse visit tapes endlessly where G & A tell Casey how "gorgeous" she is, call her sweetheart and placate her to a nauseating degree, and after listening to all the tributes they threw to her feet yesterday during her murdered daughter's memorial and after hearing LP, Rick, Shirley and others recount how Casey was always allowed to get away with anything, it nagged me what this was all reminding of.

Now I remember. There is a classic, classic episode of the Twilight Zone called "It's A Good Life". It's the one with the little boy with supernatural powers that he uses to torment and control everyone who crosses his path. His family and the town are horrified by him and totally under his control. If they displease him in any way he sends them "to the cornfield". Everyone tiptoes around the kid, placating him, telling him what a good little boy he is. If you're remembering the episode now, then you're might be struck at the parallel to the way everyone in the Anthony family placates Casey, allows her to bully them with her little tantrums and demands. Casey controls that family to the extent that even while she is jailed they are placating her from the pulpit. "The Cornfield" in Casey's case is alienating the Anthonys from her love, although I am hard put to explain why they want it.

There is a great synopsis of the episode here comparing it to the way the family of a narcissist operates.
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/goodlife.html

It is well worth the read, imo, in a more entertaining way than most psychological articles.

: Substitute a big person for the arbitrarily vindictive little boy and this story also gives a general idea of how groups, including families, work when they are dominated by narcissists. But bear in mind that there's a necessary requirement for such a reign of terror to continue: the isolation of a captive audience. One of the ways tyrannical narcissists isolate their captives is by telling them that they must keep secret what goes on inside or face dreadful punishment, because they're so special that no one outside the group is capable of understanding them -- and, of course, the longer members stay inside "Peaksville" the less likely they will be understood by outsiders, so isolated specialness becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Creepy little notes: the demonic kid who sends people and pets who displease him "to the cornfield" is named Anthony and he's from Ohio.

An interesting aside: within that article is a link to a lengthy article about the hateful Phelps family of the so-called Westboro Baptist Church. If you read it, be prepared to be horrified at the stories two of his sons tell of his extreme abuse of his children. I couldn't read it all.

 

[Baznme]

There are. She's a sociopath. They do not bond. Children are often killed by sociopathic mothers.

Sociopathy is called "characterological." Meaning that it's a character disorder. Delusion is not an issue.

And. yes, I have experienced people who are delusional. I'm a psychiatric nurse.

She knew she didn't work at Universal. If she was delusional, she would have taken them to what she thought was her office.

Brini, your response to the other poster hit me like a ton of bricks. CA said KC and Caylee were going on "vacation" for a few days so they could "bond". She was 2 years and 10 months old at the time and KC had not yet bonded with her child? I thought it was strange then and now it makes sense. She is a true sociopath and unfortunately for Caylee the bonding never happened. I see it in so many pictures of KC and child. The child (Caylee) has a look of apprehension that shows that bond is not there and makes complete sense now.

 

[Baznme]

i think it is quite sad that, even if she is accused, her own parents determined to ignore her wishes for a private service for Caylee.

Oh, you mean the "I", "Me", "Me" and more "Me" from KC? So "she" could have Caylee in a casket, buried with a marker so "she" could go visit her and tell her how "she" missed her? Just when did she plan on visiting this grave?

Oh, and just one more thought on this kind of thinking.........when she double bagged her body and dumped her in the woods, wasn't this the funeral she chose for Caylee?