Casey & Family Psychological Profile #4

[elementary]

Well, The doc dump was interesting to say the least. We have Cindy on Lexapro (of course, who wouldn't be at such a time?), Klonopin (OK, I figured so from "day one"), Soma and Darvocet. The Soma and Darvocet are prescribed by the same Pdoc. Lexapro, different doc- Klonopin different doc.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3464-3513redacted.pdf (pages 48-49)

We also have Annie and Michelle telling LE Cindy wanted Caylee to call her, not Casey, mom. That Casey lied- all the time.. told each of them she wanted to be commited to the hospital.. then when they checked up on her she acted like no big deal. They felt she wanted attention. She and her mother competed against one another for Caylee..

The journal- I don't know because of the date ..

Wow! No wonder she's feeling no pain.

 

[kageykaren]

Darvocet is for pain- Klonopin is anxiety, Soma is pain, Lexapro is for depression.

I guess doctors don't see Ca as suicidal or they wouldn't have prescribed those drugs all together so I guess we can cross out any worry of ca doing the same as her husband. I wonder if all scripts were from the same doctor? What underlying pain issues does CA have I wonder? Those meds would not help out with the trauma of grief she might have been experiencing. Those drugs together could make a person pretty eratic in their behavior.

 

[indicat]

I guess doctors don't see Ca as suicidal or they wouldn't have prescribed those drugs all together so I guess we can cross out any worry of ca doing the same as her husband. I wonder if all scripts were from the same doctor? What underlying pain issues does CA have I wonder? Those meds would not help out with the trauma of grief she might have been experiencing. Those drugs together could make a person pretty eratic in their behavior.

That's what struck me, it's overmedicated to me even in her circumstance. Why 2 that do the same things? That's how people accidently overdose.

 

[nancy botwin]

That's what struck me, it's overmedicated to me even in her circumstance. Why 2 that do the same things? That's how people accidently overdose.

It could be argued that overmedication is the standard of care in our society right now. I don't think, personally, that these rx's indicate overmedication-- but that's just my opinion.

The Soma and Darvocet were prescribed in June 06. Soma is a muscle relaxant and Darvocet is used for pain. -- could have been a back issue, surgery, etc.

Klonapin is prescribed in August 08, presumably for the intense anxiety Cindy is experiencing since Caylee's disappearance in June and her daughter's arrest. (understandable, IMHO)

Then Lexapro is prescribed in November '08 for the depression that has set in. (understandable, IMHO)

 

[indicat]

It could be argued that overmedication is the standard of care in our society right now. I don't think, personally, that these rx's indicate overmedication-- but that's just my opinion.

The Soma and Darvocet were prescribed in June 06. Soma is a muscle relaxant and Darvocet is used for pain. -- could have been a back issue, surgery, etc.

Klonapin is prescribed in August 08, presumably for the intense anxiety Cindy is experiencing since Caylee's disappearance in June and her daughter's arrest. (understandable, IMHO)

Then Lexapro is prescribed in November '08 for the depression that has set in. (understandable, IMHO)

Thank you for clearing that up, it makes so much more sense to me now.

 

[2goldfish]

Annie states the "miscarriage" occured in February of 2007. Calyee was murdered in 2008. Even if KC was suffering PPD even if she was pregnant and miscarried, would it have gone on for over a year?


if you look at the symptoms, PPD seems incredibly unlikely (hormones from birth, loss of sleep from crying baby) from a 2 month miscarriage. nearly 18 months before the murder.

wiki on PPD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_depression

Then I thought of Andrea Yates. Um, totally different I know - but I wonder if others can shed a bit more light on their experiences with PPD and the worse one, postpartum psychosis?


I have a slight experience with it myself, after my little baby was born we had some terrible nursing issues and I was in terrible pain, rarely sleeping, with a very unhappy baby. I dont want to get into too many details (very personal) unless there is a reason for it - my main issues here are longevity of untreated PP disorders and likelihood after miscarriage.

dear WSers who have miscarried, I am sorry, and I am not trying to imply this is not a traumatic event at all because it is - only seeking info from a situation I haven't had.

 

[MvD]

I suspect anytime your body goes thru hormonal changes due to a full term, or miscarried pregnancy, there is a chance of PPD.. but I would suspect that PPD, CONTINUED but left untreated for any long period of time, would be blatanly obvious to any observer.. that being said... I think bottom line is we have to look at behavior of KC... from what Ive read/seen/heard about PPD.. it IS depression.. meaning one would want to sleep all the time.. be sad... definitely not out partying and dancing and having a rip roaring old time.. People who are truly chronically depressed dont want to eat, shower..go out.. care for themselves.. etc. KC seemed too into myspacing, shopping, partying, and guys to be clinically depressed.. Course... Im not a Dr so I am just armchair diagnosing here...

(I dont truly believe KC had a miscarriage.. my guess, she told the guy she was preggers to try to "trap" him, he was having nothing to do with it.. and so she invented the miscarriage as a reason why there was no baby)

 

[icherish]

I suspect anytime your body goes thru hormonal changes due to a full term, or miscarried pregnancy, there is a chance of PPD.. but I would suspect that PPD, CONTINUED but left untreated for any long period of time, would be blatanly obvious to any observer.. that being said... I think bottom line is we have to look at behavior of KC... from what Ive read/seen/heard about PPD.. it IS depression.. meaning one would want to sleep all the time.. be sad... definitely not out partying and dancing and having a rip roaring old time.. People who are truly chronically depressed dont want to eat, shower..go out.. care for themselves.. etc. KC seemed too into myspacing, shopping, partying, and guys to be clinically depressed.. Course... Im not a Dr so I am just armchair diagnosing here...

(I dont truly believe KC had a miscarriage.. my guess, she told the guy she was preggers to try to "trap" him, he was having nothing to do with it.. and so she invented the miscarriage as a reason why there was no baby)

What she said...

It appears Casey took care of own personal needs just fine. I don't think women with PPD can do that.

 

[wallflower67]

I think PPD is too far out for a miscarriage, but since mine hit right away, I couldn't tell you for sure.

I had PPD quite severely, including voices that told me I had killed my daughter. Needless to say, I checked up on her a lot. I was suicidal, heartbroken that I felt I could never be the mother my daughter needed. I had a plan, and was about ready to carry through with it when my ex noticed something was really, really wrong. I got help right away, fortunately. I was terrified to be alone with my daughter for some time. Fortunately, unlike many moms with PPD, I was able to bond with my daughter. I was very lucky. Still, the experience was a huge factor in my decision to not have any more children.

If the defense wants to come up with an insanity plea, they better be thinking hard about how they are going to explain that diary entry.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

George allegedly took medication for high blood pressure and, possibly, bi polar. Where were these drugs when the warrant was executed ? Were the drugs prescribed, over several years, for Cindy the ones George took with him to Daytonna Beach ?

 

[MissJames]

I guess doctors don't see Ca as suicidal or they wouldn't have prescribed those drugs all together so I guess we can cross out any worry of ca doing the same as her husband. I wonder if all scripts were from the same doctor? What underlying pain issues does CA have I wonder? Those meds would not help out with the trauma of grief she might have been experiencing. Those drugs together could make a person pretty eratic in their behavior.

I beg to differ.I was put on Lexapro after my child died.It is a faster acting anti-depressant .It saved my life.
There was a time KC wanted Cindy to babysit and KC texted someone that her mom hurt her neck [or back?]and she couldn't watch Caylee.That may be why she has pain meds.
I seriously doubt a dr would prescribe all of those meds at one time.

 

[lawlady84]

It could be argued that overmedication is the standard of care in our society right now. I don't think, personally, that these rx's indicate overmedication-- but that's just my opinion.

The Soma and Darvocet were prescribed in June 06. Soma is a muscle relaxant and Darvocet is used for pain. -- could have been a back issue, surgery, etc.

Klonapin is prescribed in August 08, presumably for the intense anxiety Cindy is experiencing since Caylee's disappearance in June and her daughter's arrest. (understandable, IMHO)

Then Lexapro is prescribed in November '08 for the depression that has set in. (understandable, IMHO)

Totally agree, you're spot on-

Lexapro is an SSRI, an anti-depressant that needs to be taken every day over time for it to work effectively. Its similar to Zoloft, Prozac, and other names we hear more often (Lexapro is newer). SSRIs as a class are limited to 1 month per prescription, so each month you need a new bottle- the dates correspond perfectly that Cindy was on an anti-depressant and refilled it each month. Psychiatrists insist on taking it everyday - it is not like the klonopin anti-anxiety that is taken (for most people) on an as-needed basis. SSRIs you don't get a "high" off - it only works over time.

I also agree Nancy that the klonopin is normal and expected in the circumstances. And its in a pretty low dosage for what I am estimating her height and weight. Klonopin is like ativan or even xanex (awkward/ironic here). It also is only prescribed in 30-pill bottles- and needs new prescriptions to refill.

I was surprised that only one bottle of klonopin was found - from August. That means 30 pills over 6 months - that's not what the media would call a "drugged" person (IF.. and i say IF strongly... IF this is the extent of the medication).

I take medication for panic attacks on airplanes, and I go through more medication than Cindy. :waitasec:

IF (again the if) this is it, I give this woman credit. I know I'd have asked for way more than this. I can't imagine being in her spot.

 

[lawlady84]

That's what struck me, it's overmedicated to me even in her circumstance. Why 2 that do the same things? That's how people accidently overdose.

Guys the pain medication was from 2006 and there are still pills left - those medications do not come in more than 30 pills per bottle. If you even get dental surgery now they give you hard medicine.

 

[nancy botwin]

Totally agree, you're spot on-

Lexapro is an SSRI, an anti-depressant that needs to be taken every day over time for it to work effectively. Its similar to Zoloft, Prozac, and other names we hear more often (Lexapro is newer). SSRIs as a class are limited to 1 month per prescription, so each month you need a new bottle- the dates correspond perfectly that Cindy was on an anti-depressant and refilled it each month. Psychiatrists insist on taking it everyday - it is not like the klonopin anti-anxiety that is taken (for most people) on an as-needed basis. SSRIs you don't get a "high" off - it only works over time.

I also agree Nancy that the klonopin is normal and expected in the circumstances. And its in a pretty low dosage for what I am estimating her height and weight. Klonopin is like ativan or even xanex (awkward/ironic here). It also is only prescribed in 30-pill bottles- and needs new prescriptions to refill.

I was surprised that only one bottle of klonopin was found - from August. That means 30 pills over 6 months - that's not what the media would call a "drugged" person (IF.. and i say IF strongly... IF this is the extent of the medication).

I take medication for panic attacks on airplanes, and I go through more medication than Cindy. :waitasec:

IF (again the if) this is it, I give this woman credit. I know I'd have asked for way more than this. I can't imagine being in her spot.

I agree-- I thought there would be more too.
I'm right there with you on the "wait! I have more meds than Cindy?!" tip :crazy:

If the contents of my own medicine cabinet were available for public view, it'd be a lot wilder looking than this.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Totally agree, you're spot on-

Lexapro is an SSRI, an anti-depressant that needs to be taken every day over time for it to work effectively. Its similar to Zoloft, Prozac, and other names we hear more often (Lexapro is newer). SSRIs as a class are limited to 1 month per prescription, so each month you need a new bottle- the dates correspond perfectly that Cindy was on an anti-depressant and refilled it each month. Psychiatrists insist on taking it everyday - it is not like the klonopin anti-anxiety that is taken (for most people) on an as-needed basis. SSRIs you don't get a "high" off - it only works over time.

I also agree Nancy that the klonopin is normal and expected in the circumstances. And its in a pretty low dosage for what I am estimating her height and weight. Klonopin is like ativan or even xanex (awkward/ironic here). It also is only prescribed in 30-pill bottles- and needs new prescriptions to refill.

I was surprised that only one bottle of klonopin was found - from August. That means 30 pills over 6 months - that's not what the media would call a "drugged" person (IF.. and i say IF strongly... IF this is the extent of the medication).

I take medication for panic attacks on airplanes, and I go through more medication than Cindy. :waitasec:

IF (again the if) this is it, I give this woman credit. I know I'd have asked for way more than this. I can't imagine being in her spot.

Her RX was for 60 Klonopin.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Guys the pain medication was from 2006 and there are still pills left - those medications do not come in more than 30 pills per bottle. If you even get dental surgery now they give you hard medicine.

What a shame.

 

[nancy botwin]

What a shame.

I received an rx for 20 Vicodin the last time I got a mole removed. And an rx for Ativan AND Xanax when I told my psychiatrist I was nervous about taking the Bar Exam. IMO a lot of md's are way too free with the rx pad.

If I presented with Cindy Anthony's problems, I'm pretty certain one of my doctors would build me my own opium den. :waitasec: It's craziness.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I received an rx for 20 Vicodin the last time I got a mole removed. And an rx for Ativan AND Xanax when I told my psychiatrist I was nervous about taking the Bar Exam. IMO a lot of md's are way too free with the rx pad.

If I presented with Cindy Anthony's problems, I'm pretty certain one of my doctors would build me my own opium den. :waitasec: It's craziness.

Oh, I don't doubt it! I'm a recovering addict and a convicted felon due to selling rx's... I realize how easy it is to get prescriptions.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Y'all are spoiled. The Ativan Fairy never, ever visits me.

 

[eddeva]

Y'all are spoiled. The Ativan Fairy never, ever visits me.

i have some valium left over from when i injured my back, i'll share them w/ you :blowkiss: