Casey & Family Psychological Profile #6

[white_envelope]

Thank you for this post ! I was searching today on this topic and even found an article where the idea that Casey may have Aspergers Syndrome came up. I think they were looking at her lack of emotion as a symptom of Asperger's. For the non psych expert, the two personalities (Casey and Cindy) look so similar, and I can't help but think that Casey's sociopathy may be more nurture than nature, in this case.

A person with Asperger's Syndrome would never be able to manipulate people the way she does. Asperger's individuals have social disablilties, are not able to read social situations......Casey is a master at manipulation, especially men and her mother.

 

[The World According]

IMHO I have said from the start Casey sounded mentally ill, I was called a good Samaritan, or a humanitarian, and that Casey is just plain EVIL.
I still believe she is mentally ill, and her parents can NOT absorb this fact.

I do not think her attorney knows what he is doing.

FROM THE ARTICLE "MOMMY DEAREST": (Lots of information that I agree with).
The Mind of the Sociopath
According to Criminologist, James Alan Fox, professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University, some act on genuine psychotic delusions. Others can be motivated by selfish reasons if the child is perceived by them to be an obstacle in their relationship with a boyfriend, or preventing them from living the carefree lifestyle that they want.
>SNIP<
http://www.officer.com/web/online/Investigation/Mommy-Dearest/18$45493

I think she has mental problems, that doesn't rise to the level of being criminally insane.

 

[Whisperer]

SearchforTruth....you're right...probably a combination. If it wasn't for Cindy's behavior, Casey may have turned out much better. Cindy has a very bad habit of turning her head away from anything or any kind of behavior that she considers "ugly'....even people. She is critical, judges others and they are loved to the extent of their beauty. It is a shame that narcissists retain their youthful look for a long time....living in denial does have its merits...lol. Not till they age do they come to terms with their behavior and make changes...as do borderlines. Extreme narcissists are Borderlines (just an observation). Those who have both are the reason people came up with the term "evil".

 

[Brini]

I understand about being diagnosed and medicated while in jail or prison. But when the court mandates a competency hearing upon entering jail or release on bond those are seperate, no? What you describe is more like an evaluation for a treatment plan (and diagnosis, obviously) once ones fate is already sealed (sentenced) or if, say, their competency hearing revealed they are incompetent.

Or are competency, DX and treatment plan all rolled into one eval? Cuz wow if it is! LOL

Separate.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Perfect example of KC disassociating...listen to the audio released of Tammy Unser in the medical part of jail, on the day Caylee was found. KC head in her hands, sweaty palms, anxiety (it appears), then she immediately starts talking about football. Classic disassociating, isn't it?

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/20...gs_released_by_law_enforcement.html?refresh=1
scroll down to Lt. Unser audio

I'm with ya- as a matter of fact, I think it's because of her ability to disassociate and tune out emotionally that so may believe she is a "Sociopath/Psychopath".

 

[OneLostGrl]

I think she has mental problems, that doesn't rise to the level of being criminally insane.

I agree.

 

[OneLostGrl]

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I simply see this as KC living the lie, rather than believing the lie. In her own little world she probably puts herself into this fantasy life (lie) and elaborates on it as time goes by, but she does know it is a lie.

I absolutely love this thread and I am so appreciative of all the insight. Thank you all.

Absolutely!! What a great way of putting it, "living the lie"! ITA!

 

[songline]

I, too, believe anyone that abuses a child is mentally ill, but the bigger question is whether that person has the mental capacity of knowing right from wrong, being aware of the consequences of their behavior. I also feel that the cause and reason for Caylee's death is more simple than what has been analyzed and discussed. I do believe KC is directly the cause for Caylee's death, but that the reason is far more simple ... how does a 21, 22, 23 year old, single mother of a child going through "terrible two's" act or react, when their mental capacity is out of whack? It is my belief that the death was caused by stupidty and neglect on the part of KC.

that is my belief too. And IMO she also displays a real Mental problem,
and yes the criteria is DID SHE KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG? that is the summation of it.
if she is a mental case but still knows that whatever happend to Caylee was wrongfull
behaviour on her part, then an insanity plea cant be used.
I do think she did know that much.

anybody remember the old song from the Doors?
"When the music is over" Turn out the lights....
Her music is over!!! and it is her end..... Sad and true.

 

[Whisperer]

fftopic: To watch how normal people behave at their child's memorial, we should all watch the Sandra Cantu handle their tragedy...it will make you all cry and restore your faith in humanity. Law enforcement is there and thousands of people attend. It consisted of many thanks given to everyone. Parents ask all investigators to attend. Law enforcement on the podium...imagine that!

It has been noted on national tv the vast difference between this service and how it was handled and the one in Orlando....and it was not a good comparison. The Anthonys should be ashamed but we know that won't happen.

Many thousands attended, there were no restrictions, no one was asked to leave...imagine that!

 

[Whisperer]

Separate.

Brini..Thanks again...you said it with many fewer words...LOL

 

[reeseeva]

Thinking back to the "Dead Squirrel" explanations for the smell of a "God damn dead body".

I have tracked down a song which might be applicable to that, and any "insanity plea"

Link to KC song

:clap::clap:

OMG, HP, I remember that song! Brilliant, Good Show, & very Appropo:crazy:

 

[archenemy toenail]

I'm with ya- as a matter of fact, I think it's because of her ability to disassociate and tune out emotionally that so may believe she is a "Sociopath/Psychopath".

Okay, I've been wondering this for a long time: if a sociopath/psychopath is someone who lacks empathy, a conscience, human emotions, etc., are they that way because those things have never been there or have they managed to disassociate themselves from them to the point of no return? Could Casey be a sociopath because she's always coped by disassociating?

 

[CrankyPants]

Okay, I've been wondering this for a long time: if a sociopath/psychopath is someone who lacks empathy, a conscience, human emotions, etc., are they that way because those things have never been there or have they managed to disassociate themselves from them to the point of no return? Could Casey be a sociopath because she's always coped by disassociating?

I understand that persons with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are basically replete of empathy. The are often described as "empty shells" with no real identity of their own. They become adept at reading people and reflecting back what they believe others would find to be positive character traits. Emotional responses, besides anger, are often the result of mimicry because they are so far out of touch with their own feelings.

It is my opinion that at least one of the Anthonys has Narcissistic tendencies if not full-blown NPD. If you look at videos of KC speaking to different people, you might notice that it seems like KC is developing a "personality" or "character" to suit the individual to whom she is talking. Narcissists are often referred to as "chameleons".

All this is JMO; I am not a professional unless you consider someone who's BTDT and been the target of a Narcissist a professional. LOL!

 

[CrankyPants]

I wanted to add something about the Narcissist's "supply". Narcissists will create and project a facade in order to receive love/affection/respect/adoration from their "supply". It's how they try to fill that empty shell of theirs. Once the narcissist senses the supply is running dry, they will cast it (the person) away or sometimes become abusive.

I was thinking that a baby, although demanding, surely provides a Narcissist with a certain amount of "supply". Firstly, babies are cute and cuddly and as they grow into toddlers you can add hugs and kisses and even a certain amount of idolizing their parental figures. Maybe the fact that Caylee was beginning to talk more does play into this, but not in the way that I've seen posted on WS several times (Caylee spilling the beans about KC's activities). MAYBE Caylee was starting to say things like, "Grandma says you are <insert negative phrase here>" and KC saw that her "supply" was tainted and beginning to run dry. The Pathological Narcissist can't be bothered with relationships in which there is no steady supply for them. Perhaps KC saw Caylee as a "huge waste" (what a mouth that girl has!) and dealt with her accordingly.

Again, JMO.

 

[songline]

fftopic: To watch how normal people behave at their child's memorial, we should all watch the Sandra Cantu handle their tragedy...it will make you all cry and restore your faith in humanity. Law enforcement is there and thousands of people attend. It consisted of many thanks given to everyone. Parents ask all investigators to attend. Law enforcement on the podium...imagine that!

It has been noted on national tv the vast difference between this service and how it was handled and the one in Orlando....and it was not a good comparison. The Anthony's should be ashamed but we know that won't happen.

Many thousands attended, there were no restrictions, no one was asked to leave...imagine that!

Thinking back to the "Dead Squirrel" explanations for the smell of a "God damn dead body".

I have tracked down a song which might be applicable to that, and any "insanity plea"

Link to KC song

Life imitates Art, Art imitates Life.
Perfect Casey song.

And whisperer:
Thank you for sharing about the way the family of Sandra Cantu handle their tragedy.
I did not see it, I did hear that it was very touching. that was such a sad story,
I cant understand how on earth knowing the perps history people were not more watchful.
Dangerous kind of trust just because her prop was a church family.

IRONIC:- often times we may hear people judge those who come from trashy trailer park;
I could not help but notice how we as people have so many preconceived notions.
Look how people from a trailer park behave - Sandra Cantu' RIP
And look at how people from the upper middle class Act - Caylee Marie Anthony RIP
2 different families - 2 different circumstances - And it touches every one.

The more I look at the Anthony's the more I learn what I will no longer put up with my daughter.
The more I look at the Cantu the more I learn to trust God to show me the way, every day.

 

[Rumpole]

Thinking back to the "Dead Squirrel" explanations for the smell of a "God damn dead body".

I have tracked down a song which might be applicable to that, and any "insanity plea"

Link to KC song

:clap::clap:

OMG, HP, I remember that song! Brilliant, Good Show, & very Appropo:crazy:

Yes a prophetic song from 1966. ropeller:

"The Nuts on my family Tree" also a contender. :nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

 

[kageykaren]

I remember, "There comming to take me away. Could you help me find one to the tune of, "Hello mother hello father, hear I am at orange county lock up'". Thanks for the laugh today!

 

[aks1114]

You guys are good, so I am sure this has already been discussed. But I just read an article and about Munchausen By Proxy Syndrom and it made me think of KC. Someone suffering from "Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome," may thrive on the attention over her little daughters tragic kidnapping." This syndrome, first described in 1977, is characterized by caregivers who intentionally injure, suffocate, or poison their child for the sympathy of others. The "MSBP" mother usually had an unwanted child, or is unmarried. This may explain why KC, despite the harm she would eventually cause Caylee, would not let CA have her. KC showed many signs of having a compulsive need for dramatic sympathy such as lying to AH about her dad having a stroke or lying to JG about her brother sexual advances.

 

[Rumpole]

You guys are good, so I am sure this has already been discussed. But I just read an article and about Munchausen By Proxy Syndrom and it made me think of KC. Someone suffering from "Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome," may thrive on the attention over her little daughters tragic "accidents." This syndrome, first described in 1977, is characterized by caregivers who intentionally injure, suffocate, or poison their child for the sympathy of others. The "MSBP" mother usually had an unwanted child, or is unmarried. This may explain why KC, despite the harm she would eventually cause Caylee, would not let CA have her. KC showed many signs of having a compulsive need for dramatic sympathy such as lying to AH about her dad having a stroke or lying to JG about her brother sexual advances.

From the little I have read. "Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome" involves damaging a child and reveling in the attention/medical help etc. Not though, actually letting the child die, because then the attention stops. If this were a "Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome" case you would expect KC to be broadcasting news of the "tragedy" from the outset. So I think she would have reported an "accident" straight away, or perhaps dumped the body and reported the "kidnapping". Keep in mind the fact that KC never reported anything. It appears that she would have just carried on and reported nothing and so got no publicity and sympathy. So NOT "Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome" in my view.

 

[reeseeva]

You guys are good, so I am sure this has already been discussed. But I just read an article and about Munchausen By Proxy Syndrom and it made me think of KC. Someone suffering from "Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome," may thrive on the attention over her little daughters tragic "accidents." This syndrome, first described in 1977, is characterized by caregivers who intentionally injure, suffocate, or poison their child for the sympathy of others. The "MSBP" mother usually had an unwanted child, or is unmarried. This may explain why KC, despite the harm she would eventually cause Caylee, would not let CA have her. KC showed many signs of having a compulsive need for dramatic sympathy such as lying to AH about her dad having a stroke or lying to JG about her brother sexual advances.

I, too, thought of MSBP & posted on the Anthony Psych thread last year, to the chagrin of many here. My theory was that KC was made feel ill & ill-equipped for life in general, by her mother, a controlled illness, thereby rendering her irresponsible & harmless to anything that life threw at her, including the murder or death of her child. Her excused behavior, over the years, by her mother's lies to family, etc., deemed her an invalid, so to speak, with Cindy to the rescue.