Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7

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  • #221
:clap: x 1,000,000 T H A N K S ! ! !

D I T T O

&

D I T T O on the WHOLE " A" family

" THAT's J U S T ~ NOT ~ R I G H T!!! the way they acted !!! &
~ the way they ~ARE~ ACTING ~

so I guess we can predict.... just NOT RIGHT the way that

they are going to C O N T I N U E ~ to act ! :eek::eek::eek:


Really I should be in :shakehead::hopping_mad:
:bedtime::sleep:
:saythat:

JMO

God Bless !
jjgram


* * * Guess I should be in "TIME OUT" :rolleyes: for getting so
TICKED OFF at their "A FAMILY BAD BEHAVIOR & LYING ! ! !" ! ! !:furious::furious::furious:

* * *NO time out for you...:cake4u: Cake 4 U.
U Stay here and help lock up those despicable parents.
 
  • #222
wants to do it his way.....I think she is insane..I mean she knew she did not work at Universal since 2006 and she takes the detectives to US knowing
she would be found out! Sounds insane to me! and thats just one of her
many many lies!

AS A PARENT is scaring me to death. :eek:

I was so sorry for them at first that they took such a risk to help Casey.
It was very transparent that they did a clean up for her.
But as time goes on I am appalled by them and realize they are not helping her at all.
They are not standing by Caylee at all.
they are sucking wind for a job. Who is really running this show???? WHY ?????
 
  • #223
she came across more desperate that she would befound out and the party and fun would stop so she went for it drinking to get her dance on...She enjoyed her freeedom and didnt allow any guilty in she pushed it away talking bout football...I wish they did not give KC any meds when she brokedown when they found Caylee's they should have put her in a locked room with a good shrink and made her talk about her emtions and when she tried to change the subject go right back to Caylee hoping for a break thru...but since this is america we have to play by the rules ....
I agree with you but she would sue...It is not humane to badger a person at that moment. It is humane to give a sedative.
BUT YOU ARE RIGHT....She may have talked? maybe...
 
  • #224
Thanks! I didn't know that!:blowkiss::)

Which instrument?


PCL-R. (The Psychopathy Check List Revised, authored by the Canadian
Dr. Robert Hare and used extensively in screening for sociopathy/APD, et al).

I believe there's a cut-off score believed to authenticate the diagnosis used
by certain jurisdictions as an aggravating factor favoring the DP. (That is
a long run-on sentence, but I hope U get what I mean. Sorry!)
 
  • #225
Verité;3753234 said:
PCL-R. (The Psychopathy Check List Revised, authored by the Canadian
Dr. Robert Hare and used extensively in screening for sociopathy/APD, et al).

I believe there's a cut-off score believed to authenticate the diagnosis used
by certain jurisdictions as an aggravating factor favoring the DP. (That is
a long run-on sentence, but I hope U get what I mean. Sorry!)

Thanks! I've never seen that one.:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
 
  • #226
wants to do it his way.....I think she is insane..I mean she knew she did not work at Universal since 2006 and she takes the detectives to US knowing
she would be found out! Sounds insane to me! and thats just one of her
many many lies!

Being a pathological liar, or lying to avoid being charged with murder, have absolutely nothing to do with insanity as a diagnosis or a defense. KC lied to avoid going to jail, which expresses her understanding of the consequences of her alleged actions and refutes the insanity theory on that basis alone. I think it's a given, however, that she is definitely mentally ill, probably suffering from multiple neuroses and pychoses, but the most relevant one is sociopathy.
 
  • #227
If you aren't crazy in place like that good incentive to get sane act right and get the hell out of course most people not all has a degree of insanity at times I'm trying real hard to be even keil now and go with flow of things to help my 15yr daughter stop hating me and isolating herself in her room away from me,,,I really miss her.
I understand :blowkiss:
 
  • #228
I think I see where songline is going here and don't want to step on her/his toes but would like to add a bit of support.

The money trail- while there is some talk of a very powerful/dangerous person supplying the money (please refer to the rumor thread for more info on this) If this is true then there could be a slight possibility that this person is somehow involved and MAY have been responsible for Caylees death.

Which leads to not calling 911. If this person in question is somehow involved then that would explain why KC didn't call 911 for fear of her own life (it's a stretch, I know, but it's an alternate theory).

No you didn't miss anything, the car was picked up on the 15th.

KC isn't a high school drop out, she was lacking a credit to graduate which she made up in summer school. It is one of the things that was said so much that it became fact when it really isn't true. I believe that she wasn't able to walk with her class at graduation.

My apologies to Casey-I miswrote.

I suppose then my question is still what is so compelling about her that she and her child would draw this kind of attention when prior to killing her child, she did little to stand out from a pack of millions of young women just like her?
 
  • #229
I thank you fro many great posts which I appriciate.
But I can not go along with you here at all.
1- $250.000 K is a drop in the bucket. A small drop.
2- You can select to believe that. I dont.
3- You can select to believe that too> I believe they knew it all LONG before the 31 days.
4- C&G have an act going. I do not buy them.
5- We do agree on that point only. While I know Casey is guilty in degrees, I do not know to what degree yet.

As for grieving - I am not sure what is going on...
REALLY not sure here.
That partying while the baby is missing :eek: makes me wonder 2 things:
Did she really think Caylee is in good hands?
or is she "F" NUTS? :crazy:

So are you saying the A's killed Caylee?

Had they killed Caylee or been in on the conspiracy, then the last thing they would have done was call 911.

Their daughter was indicted and will be tried for the first degree murder of their grandchild. Casey is not some sacrificial lamb who is keeping her mouth closed because some one is paying for her defense at the price of her silence-she is going down because the physical evidence is sufficient to prove her guilty of murder. JMVHO. Now would be the time for her to sing if such a conspiracy was truly in existence because it might actually save her life. It is counterintuitive to believe that her best choice is to fall on the sword for some boogy man or even her own family. She has never, ever shown the slightest bit of compassion for anyone outside of herself-she stole from everyone, she lied to everyone.....if she hits the GP she will be a significant target. It does not take money, power and privilege to make something like that happen-inmates will HATE her for both the crime and herself.

Again, JMO.

I have participated in taking this thread way, way off track, and for that I apologize. I do not believe that Casey suffers from a mental defect that was profound enough to prevent her from knowing it was wrong to kill her child, but I would fully support a guilty plea from her that included that assessment simply because enough is enough with the circus of this case. One small innocent little being is entitled to some dignity in death....enough of the exposure already.
 
  • #230
My apologies to Casey-I miswrote.

I suppose then my question is still what is so compelling about her that she and her child would draw this kind of attention when prior to killing her child, she did little to stand out from a pack of millions of young women just like her?

Actually Casey WAS DIFFERENT than other young women in Orlando. She spent her days sitting on her fanny, talking, texting and web surfing. She was willing to borrow "rent" money she didn't need from a friend, steal from her elderly grandparents, steal from her parents, steal from her best friend and write bad checks to her fiancee and brother.

The whole time she did those things she knew what she was doing. She left a trail of coherent, appropriate and on-topic texts, posts and instant messages showing she was not suffering from delusions.

People with personality disorders can be selfish, unfeeling, manipulative or worse. But, the whole time they know what they are doing and what they are going to get out of it.

JMO
 
  • #231
So are you saying the A's killed Caylee?

Had they killed Caylee or been in on the conspiracy, then the last thing they would have done was call 911.

Their daughter was indicted and will be tried for the first degree murder of their grandchild. Casey is not some sacrificial lamb who is keeping her mouth closed because some one is paying for her defense at the price of her silence-she is going down because the physical evidence is sufficient to prove her guilty of murder. JMVHO. Now would be the time for her to sing if such a conspiracy was truly in existence because it might actually save her life. It is counterintuitive to believe that her best choice is to fall on the sword for some boogy man or even her own family. She has never, ever shown the slightest bit of compassion for anyone outside of herself-she stole from everyone, she lied to everyone.....if she hits the GP she will be a significant target. It does not take money, power and privilege to make something like that happen-inmates will HATE her for both the crime and herself.

Again, JMO.

I have participated in taking this thread way, way off track, and for that I apologize. I do not believe that Casey suffers from a mental defect that was profound enough to prevent her from knowing it was wrong to kill her child, but I would fully support a guilty plea from her that included that assessment simply because enough is enough with the circus of this case. One small innocent little being is entitled to some dignity in death....enough of the exposure already.

She knew it was wrong to kill Caylee. That's why she took such pains to cover it up. However, she felt that it was more important to be free and unencumbered. She did not consider the ramifications, when she did the deed. She found out it was MUCH harder to cover up the crime than she anticipated. LE was not just accept her lies, like her family always did.
 
  • #232
Being a pathological liar, or lying to avoid being charged with murder, have absolutely nothing to do with insanity as a diagnosis or a defense. KC lied to avoid going to jail, which expresses her understanding of the consequences of her alleged actions and refutes the insanity theory on that basis alone. I think it's a given, however, that she is definitely mentally ill, probably suffering from multiple neuroses and pychoses, but the most relevant one is sociopathy.

She's not psychotic-- no break with reality. She always knows exactly who and where she is, and what she's doing. She also knows that she is doing harm, but doesn't care. She even robbed her sick grandfather, and stole from her baby's piggy bank. When confronted, she lies, evades, and tries to conceal. When cornered, she throws a tantrum.

I do think that she has more than one personality disorder. But, most Axis II suffers are not criminals, nor do they become psychotic.

She characterologically deficient, not psychotic.

She's another Scott Peterson-- a shallow, amoral con artist.

This woman is not some delicate, damaged flower. She's a very dangerous person.
 
  • #233
Actually Casey WAS DIFFERENT than other young women in Orlando. She spent her days sitting on her fanny, talking, texting and web surfing. She was willing to borrow "rent" money she didn't need from a friend, steal from her elderly grandparents, steal from her parents, steal from her best friend and write bad checks to her fiancee and brother.

The whole time she did those things she knew what she was doing. She left a trail of coherent, appropriate and on-topic texts, posts and instant messages showing she was not suffering from delusions.

People with personality disorders can be selfish, unfeeling, manipulative or worse. But, the whole time they know what they are doing and what they are going to get out of it.

JMO

Perfect summary!
 
  • #234
So are you saying the A's killed Caylee? Gosh NO; I am saying they knew about 2 weeks before the famous 911 call and they had everything to do with the clean up and diverting LE attention by sending them on wild goose chases; they hindered the search, because they were part of the cover up.

Had they killed Caylee or been in on the conspiracy, then the last thing they would have done was call 911.

Their daughter was indicted and will be tried for the first degree murder of their grandchild. Casey is not some sacrificial lamb who is keeping her mouth closed because some one is paying for her defense at the price of her silence-she is going down because the physical evidence is sufficient to prove her guilty of murder. I think the evidence points to her but nothing is tied to her because I believe her family cleaned up so that she would not go away for ever.NO I DO NOT believ they can tie it all up and have a clear verdict. I PRAY that something will show up that will tie them to it.
JMVHO. Now would be the time for her to sing if such a conspiracy was truly in existence because it might actually save her life. It is counterintuitive to believe that her best choice is to fall on the sword for some boogy man or even her own family. She has never, ever shown the slightest bit of compassion for anyone outside of herself-she stole from everyone, she lied to everyone.....if she hits the GP she will be a significant target. It does not take money, power and privilege to make something like that happen-inmates will HATE her for both the crime and herself.
I think she believes they are on her side, this may mean that she has enough on them to keep them quit. She wont sing because it will put her in the middle of it.
She is an outstanding BS artist, she will hold out a long time on her lies.

Again, JMO.

I have participated in taking this thread way, way off track, and for that I apologize. I do not believe that Casey suffers from a mental defect that was profound enough to prevent her from knowing it was wrong to kill her child, but I would fully support a guilty plea from her that included that assessment simply because enough is enough with the circus of this case. One small innocent little being is entitled to some dignity in death....AMENenough of the exposure already.

I pray that something we do not YET know, is going to make this case a WOW!!!!!!!
I think that GA is in the center of that.
 
  • #235
She's not psychotic-- no break with reality. She always knows exactly who and where she is, and what she's doing.

We don't know this to be true. We don't know, for example, what has/will be revealed on projective tests about the level and cohesion of her psychological functioning,
ego strength, defenses in service of the ego, object relations, or the wealth of data from objective tests of personality and psychopathology, against the backdrop of
our most reliable of psychological tests, i.e. those of intellectual abilities.

At this point, we simply don't have enough data to rule out a major affective (mood) disorder, a diagnosis which can come only from those experts who have had direct contact with this defendant for the approved purpose of establishing diagnoses and recommendations (as specified by either the prosecution and/or defense, or the Court).

But, most Axis II suffers are not criminals, nor do they become psychotic.

I'd appreciate it if you'd cite the source/data for your last statement. Thanks.
 
  • #236
Verité;3757288 said:
I'd appreciate it if you'd cite the source/data for your last statement. Thanks.

*resp. snipped.
brini may be talking from personal, hands on, real life experience which to me is far more valuable than quoting source/data. it's been my experience that it's usually more accurate too :)
 
  • #237
I pray that something we do not YET know is going to make this case a WOW!!!!!!!
I think that GA is in the center of that.

The reason I believe Casey acted alone is because of the half-a$$ed way Caylee's murder was executed and cleaned-up. It is the same way Casey had been committing and covering up her previous actions.

For example, Casey made up a "work night" so Cindy would babysit which was actually a no-clothes party. THEN Casey plasters pictures of herself at the party on the public web.

That is like helpfully texting your best friend about the funky smell in your trunk that is actually a dead body you are hiding...nothing like making sure there is a trail with an actual date. Or making sure you take your phone every single place you go and use it every 2 minutes so LE can map out your every move for every minute you are supposed to be searching for your child.

George would not have left Caylee so close to his house. He would not have left her so close to the road. He would not have left items from his house with Caylee's body.

He would have come up with a better story for Casey than an imaginary nanny living in an empty apartment at Sawgrass.

If the Anthony family had been in on cleaning-up, nobody would have called LE. Ever.

Cindy and George weren't in trouble. Casey wasn't in trouble. Nobody was looking for Caylee. Nobody was going to look for Caylee. There no need for Casey to go to jail. As far as the world knew the Anthony's, including Caylee, were peachy-keen fine.

The ONLY reason for Cindy to call 911 was to try to strongarm Casey into letting her see Caylee.

Cindy had her car back. Casey was close by. Casey was HAPPY where she was at. Johnson's Tow Company didn't care about how bad the car smelled. They hadn't called LE. They were not going to call LE.

When Cindy had hope for Caylee she threw Casey to the wolves. She falsely said Casey was a car thief. She reported Casey's credit card and cash stealing. She called THREE times and was mad because LE was slow getting to her house.

When LE got to the house George pulled LE aside and told LE he and Cindy thought Casey might have harmed Caylee.

That was not helping Casey cover up. Just the opposite.

At some point, obviously, George and Cindy did add Casey's stupid stories up with the car smell (just like the rest of the world did). Then there was no other "girl" left to save but Casey.

But, if George and Cindy had known Caylee was dead before July 15...IMO, everything would have been handled in a different way.
 
  • #238
Just a few comments on the issue of the insanity defense.
**** Inherent in her attorneys' dispute about the insanity defense is the fact that her expert lawyer wanted to get a mental health examination. There is an underlying assumption here that KC did kill Caylee. An insanity defense is an affirmative defense used after it is established that the main crime was done by this perpetrator. So, it would admit the main crime of the killing of Caylee by KC.
**** If a person is "not guilty by reason of insanity" what does it get them? It gets them a one way ticket to the State hospital for mentally insane criminals. How long? For as long as it takes to restore them to a condition in which they won't be a danger to others. This could be an indefinite term of lock-up in a mental illness facility for treatment.
**** KC is probably the one who wouldn't go for the not guilty by reason of insanity because she wants her freedom and the mental illness defense wouldn't go there for her.
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  • #239
Verité;3757288 said:
We don't know this to be true. We don't know, for example, what has/will be revealed on projective tests about the level and cohesion of her psychological functioning,
ego strength, defenses in service of the ego, object relations, or the wealth of data from objective tests of personality and psychopathology, against the backdrop of
our most reliable of psychological tests, i.e. those of intellectual abilities.

At this point, we simply don't have enough data to rule out a major affective (mood) disorder, a diagnosis which can come only from those experts who have had direct contact with this defendant for the approved purpose of establishing diagnoses and recommendations (as specified by either the prosecution and/or defense, or the Court).



I'd appreciate it if you'd cite the source/data for your last statement. Thanks.
IIRC,Casey was put through a battery of psychological tests before she was allowed out on bail (the first time).
It was one of the judge's conditions. Because of the testing, there was a delay of a day or so before Casey's first bail release.

Is a mood disorder legal insanity?
 
  • #240
*resp. snipped.
brini may be talking from personal, hands on, real life experience. . .

And so am I. . .in the forensic/criminal justice system.

which to me is far more valuable than quoting source/data.

But not to me. I can't speak for the entire universe of personality disorders,
even though I've had extensive experience with them. We must rely on
professionals who constructed our nomenclature, i.e. The American
Psychiatric Association's task force on the various editions of the Diagnostic
& Statistic Manuals--and those practioner/researchers who devote an
entire lifetime to ensuring that our communication with each other is
accurate and reliable.

it's been my experience that it's usually more accurate too :)

I can't agree with you there. Overly subjective statements are always
prone to individual bias (known as "confirmatory bias"). That's why jury
selection is such an important part of our justice system, e.g. with our
pre-formed opinions, probably none of us writing on this Board can honestly
say that we could sit on the KC jury when it convenes. :behindbar

But, please feel free to think & believe in the way that works best 4 U!:rolleyes:
 
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