Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7

[Chiquita71]

I am enjoying the conversations of late very much.

Some know so much about variations of mental disability.
While I refrain from diagnosis since I never worked with her, it is clear she is challenged.
Clearly so is the entire family.

When I first brought up the subject of insanity and or the subject of mentally/emotionally
challenged I was met with much resistance and negation of her disability.
The replies were most often how evil Casey is. hmmmm.
At last it feels like a fair trial is possible.
But I am furiouser at how much was destroyed to avoid a fair trial.
Thanks to IMO George. I hope he joins KC. :behindbar

Funny when I opened the thread on "Caylee has no Representation: many opposed me.
when I opened the thread about follow the money that one got shut down.
None of which made me just lurk and stay mum...LOL

I want to take this opportunity to thank so many who PMd me and were willing to
look much further then the eye can lead. I told you I'd say it like it is at the risk
of being in the minority.
I LOVE YOU - CAYLEE does too :blowkiss: SHE DESERVES THE TRUTH.

I will not have much time in the next few days....So carry on, have fun
and keep all the good stuff coming. Good night.

(Snip Respect)

Hello WS!

I did not know we didn't think "insanity" was involved in this? I thought it was a given that people who hurt/kill/rape other people are somewhat insane? And isn't this the big question much of humanity has been asking: what is evil? Is there evil? What is insane?

Insane: not knowing the difference between right and wrong. I think it is more that people who commit these crimes do know what society thinks, or what other people think is wrong but that does not mean they think it is wrong. When they commit their acts, they may not think what they are doing is wrong.

Are they insane because they do not follow the same moral code as us? That sounds more right to me...at least that makes them insane from our perspective. Perspective: life always comes down to perspective. Where are you coming from?

One of the quotes Casey is supposed to have or have had on her MySpace said to the effect: Why do we kill people who kill people...?

Obviously, sometimes Casey had deep thoughts? Well, since I am me and I can not be her all I can give is my perspective and continue to read the incredible thinking and discussion that goes on at WS.

To me: she is crazy. Her Mother is super crazy. I have been around mental illness all my life. There are two kinds: medical and emotional. IMO. Sometimes people have both.

In trying to figure out what I call "cold" personalities(I am a very HOT personality!)because I was born into a family of cold-I have come across the idea that these people are actually extra sensitive as children but when they encounter cold adults or because they are so sensitive they shut down for good by teen years if they do not get the nurturing they need.

I have rambled a bit here...and if it seems I do not have my point or opinion straight-you are correct-I do not. I came to WS to understand how someone could do what Casey did or how or why there is "evil" at all and what I think "good and evil" are...

its deep. Glad there are others asking questions. Not everyone does. Some people have no real interest in finding out such details as is sleuthed here. Well, if someone would just tell them the juicy details I am sure they would be glad to listen...but I don't think Cindy A would have killed anyone but also she never would have been the type to be a WSer, even George and he WAS a sleuther(police officer).

...jmo...:blowkiss:

 

[Chiquita71]

Sorry for the double post! I don't know how that happened? Maybe I am Magical? I do not know how to delete this, again...sorry.

I am enjoying the conversations of late very much.

Some know so much about variations of mental disability.
While I refrain from diagnosis since I never worked with her, it is clear she is challenged.
Clearly so is the entire family.

When I first brought up the subject of insanity and or the subject of mentally/emotionally
challenged I was met with much resistance and negation of her disability.
The replies were most often how evil Casey is. hmmmm.
At last it feels like a fair trial is possible.
But I am furiouser at how much was destroyed to avoid a fair trial.
Thanks to IMO George. I hope he joins KC. :behindbar

Funny when I opened the thread on "Caylee has no Representation: many opposed me.
when I opened the thread about follow the money that one got shut down.
None of which made me just lurk and stay mum...LOL

I want to take this opportunity to thank so many who PMd me and were willing to
look much further then the eye can lead. I told you I'd say it like it is at the risk
of being in the minority.
I LOVE YOU - CAYLEE does too :blowkiss: SHE DESERVES THE TRUTH.

I will not have much time in the next few days....So carry on, have fun
and keep all the good stuff coming. Good night.

(Snip Respect)

Hello WS!

I did not know we didn't think "insanity" was involved in this? I thought it was a given that people who hurt/kill/rape other people are somewhat insane? And isn't this the big question much of humanity has been asking: what is evil? Is there evil? What is insane?

Insane: not knowing the difference between right and wrong. I think it is more that people who commit these crimes do know what society thinks, or what other people think is wrong but that does not mean they think it is wrong. When they commit their acts, they may not think what they are doing is wrong.

Are they insane because they do not follow the same moral code as us? That sounds more right to me...at least that makes them insane from our perspective. Perspective: life always comes down to perspective. Where are you coming from?

One of the quotes Casey is supposed to have or have had on her MySpace said to the effect: Why do we kill people who kill people...?

Obviously, sometimes Casey had deep thoughts? Well, since I am me and I can not be her all I can give is my perspective and continue to read the incredible thinking and discussion that goes on at WS.

To me: she is crazy. Her Mother is super crazy. I have been around mental illness all my life. There are two kinds: medical and emotional. IMO. Sometimes people have both.

In trying to figure out what I call "cold" personalities(I am a very HOT personality!)because I was born into a family of cold-I have been trying to figure out just these differences between what I call "crazy" or "evil'? I have come across the idea that these people are actually extra sensitive as children but when they encounter cold adults or because they are so sensitive they shut down for good by teen years if they do not get the nurturing they need. I think that may be true for some that we end up calling "psyco" or sociopath but some might have been born lacking strong empathy and emotional expresson and then when they have a parent with the same that may finish the loop.

I have rambled a bit here...and if it seems I do not have my point or opinion straight-you are correct-I do not. I came to WS to understand how someone could do what Casey did or how or why there is "evil" at all and what I think "good and evil" are...and what is crazy...etc. Just what you'all are talking about. :woohoo:

I know that even with my own mother I wonder if she is "crazy" or "mean/evil"? Was Hitler evil? Some of his relatives and children that he knew(that knew nothing of his activities against humanity)said he was "wonderful uncle wolfy"...they loved him. A murderer can be a murderer and seen as a monster to those he murdered and their loved ones...but there is usually a family memeber who is like: "I don't see them that way, I love them."...

its deep stuff and I know I do not have any of this figured out. Glad there are others asking questions. Not everyone does. Some people have no real interest in finding out such details as is sleuthed here. Well, if someone would just tell them the juicy details I am sure they would be glad to listen...but I don't think Cindy A would have killed anyone but also she never would have been the type to be a WSer, even George and he WAS a sleuther(police officer).

...jmo...:blowkiss:

 

[RR0004]

So the defence will be that while in a frenzy of "cleaning and tidying" KC quite understandably tidied Caylee away into double garbage bags?

That means a new thread "Not Guilty due to Temporary cleaning frenzy"

Oh HP, you do know how to put it so well.

 

[RR0004]

I'm back reading the beginning of this thread slowly & carefully & am amazed at how much I must skim by. The above, for example, surprised me
in that I don't recall hearing it last year (or reading it this year!) & wonder if you recall any sources, cecybeans? To me, this says a LOT about motive,
why the California personal injury attorney is on the case, etc. and leads to more questions.

Also, you must've been reading a tiny part of my mind--or I yours--as I was writing about the KC intellectual factors, and you were posting on how the
measuring of certain abilities will probably show wide variability from current standard tests and norms obtained before the media explosion.
For example, I was thinking about how KC's Non-verbal ability on tasks which require coordinated eye-hand functions is probably very good --12 texts an hour,
right, i.e. one every 5 minutes. In view of this, how could her mothering abilities reflect the sensitive, empathic attunement required for a child who's just turning 3 years? Accidental overdose, you say . . . .?

I think the only problem with this is that there was a reason why JB parted ways with TL...something about them not seeing eye to eye on an issue. I wonder if JB would even entertain the notion of an insanity defense. Perhaps when (and if) it comes to the sentencing phase...but not sure how that would fly. IMO, by then it would just be a little too late.

ETA: I agree...I've always said that Casey's "social habits" must have interfered with her motherly duties. I've also wondered why we never heard about/from anyone who witnessed her "mothering" outside of her family and friends. Surely, she took Caylee to the park (or at least she admitted to LE that she did). Moms hanging out in parks often engage in conversation as their children are playing. Where are THOSE people? (sorry just an aside)

 

[believe09]

Ya know, I have thought maybe a tad of Asbergers

Now that is an interesting thought for Lee. Would he be parking cars though? I get that there is a spectrum with Aspberger's, but personal experience indicates that those with it are specialized in their employment...like rocket scientist.

 

[believe09]

I am also behind with keeping up with the thread, but I wonder if there really is a feeling that Casey suffers from some compelling mental defect that would make her not responsible for the murder of her child?

I appreciated the post on why some of the scientific evidence may not make it into the trial, but I think that the case even on a circumstantial basis is strong enough for the SA to get what they are asking for. I really think that Casey is taking a long shot by maintaining her position. Maybe on trial day or at some point during it, she will decide to change her plea.

Can you take an Alford plea on a first degree or DP case?

 

[justsaying]

Bold mine

I have felt this coming for the last 9 years, even further back with the advent of video games. Young people are also increasingly distracted, detached and somewhat indifferent, as a result of everything techno. I see a real disconnect with humanity in general, parents included, who can be there is person, but, actually not present!

My feeling is, there are whole generations who have become "sensory deprived", from sensory overload, which produces sensory depravation.
It is running rampant, think Joran Van D., and so many others, who do not value human life, and can only feel for themselves. The more cases like these making headlines, the more I fear, how many more it will spawn.

Are you talking about the parental disconnect from children by their preoccupation with techno-fun? I guess that could happen with little ones, but I don't remember feeling disconnected when my mom sent me out to play so she could clean house. Remember stopping at the door and asking, "is that floor dry?" Little guys maybe could be neglected but older ones need the disconnect to develop as separate beings in my opinion. Know what I mean?

 

[believe09]

Are you talking about the parental disconnect from children by their preoccupation with techno-fun? I guess that could happen with little ones, but I don't remember feeling disconnected when my mom sent me out to play so she could clean house. Remember stopping at the door and asking, "is that floor dry?" Little guys maybe could be neglected but older ones need the disconnect to develop as separate beings in my opinion. Know what I mean?

With ya on this one-my parents, and mother in particular, did not entertain us. They taught us, cared for us etc...but they were not in our faces 24/7. We would leave at 7am to play with our friends, check in at lunch and come home for dinner at 6pm in the summer-I don't ever remember feeling that this was a problem.

 

[SoSueMe]

I think it is going to be very interesting to watch her during the trial. She hasn't been forced to look at the gory details of the death yet---which will be brought out in court. Am wondering how much info she gets about the case. We know that she communicates with her family thru JB---probably with the laptop. Hope LE/FBI gets hold of that laptop. Just can't wait to watch her during the trial as she hears all the evidence and it jerks her brain into remembering stuff that she has been allowed to push deep within herself.

MamaBear, I hate to tell you this, but unfortunately LE/FBI will NOT get JB's laptop. That is privileged information. I wish they could, but I don't think there is any way possible that will happen. Also, I think CA said they are communicating with KC through letters. Of course I'm sure JB is screening those before they get to KC.

 

[Mamabear1963]

OK---still don't get it so I'll go to a thread that is in my mental range of thoughts.

you and me both sweetie...you and me both

 

[MAMABEAR]

MamaBear, I hate to tell you this, but unfortunately LE/FBI will NOT get JB's laptop. That is privileged information. I wish they could, but I don't think there is any way possible that will happen. Also, I think CA said they are communicating with KC through letters. Of course I'm sure JB is screening those before they get to KC.

Not even if the Bar needs the laptop for their investigation?

 

[SoSueMe]

Not even if the Bar needs the laptop for their investigation?

Well now, that is an interesting thought. If the State Bar does get to review it, I doubt anything they find on it can be used in the KC Anthony case. I would think they could only use anything they find in the case against JB. Now we need an attorney to weigh in on this, because I dunno. If they found something on there that would make him culpable in the crime after the fact, then I guess we'd be getting off into a whole new territory.

 

[Verité]

Bold mine

I have felt this coming for the last 9 years, even further back with the advent of video games. Young people are also increasingly distracted, detached and somewhat indifferent, as a result of everything techno. I see a real disconnect with humanity in general, parents included, who can be there is person, but, actually not present!

My feeling is, there are whole generations who have become "sensory deprived", from sensory overload, which produces sensory depravation.
It is running rampant, think Joran Van D., and so many others, who do not value human life, and can only feel for themselves. The more cases like these making headlines, the more I fear, how many more it will spawn.

You intended the spelling as such, right? How depraved! Sensory depravation, "think. . .so many...who do not value human life and can only feel for themselves,"
New Term, love it!

 

[Verité]

I think it is going to be very interesting to watch her during the trial. She hasn't been forced to look at the gory details of the death yet---which will be brought out in court. Am wondering how much info she gets about the case. We know that she communicates with her family thru JB---probably with the laptop. Hope LE/FBI gets hold of that laptop. Just can't wait to watch her during the trial as she hears all the evidence and it jerks her brain into remembering stuff that she has been allowed to push deep within herself.

Bolded mine.

This is exactly what I've been thinking! Psychosis may feel like a welcome retreat from the "gory details."
I don't think my consciousness could contain all that without an implosion.

 

[Verité]

(Snip Respect)

I did not know we didn't think "insanity" was involved in this? I thought it was a given that people who hurt/kill/rape other people are somewhat insane? And isn't this the big question much of humanity has been asking: what is evil? Is there evil? What is insane? . . . .

The only source I know which is bold enough to enter the arena of the psychology of evil is that of the psychiatrist, M. Scott Peck M.D., in his fascinating work of
The People of the Lie, which I've already recommended on another thread. Easy but difficult reading, i.e. easy to understand, but difficult to come to terms with.
I recommend it as shedding more light on the curious language of this defendant than any that I know.

(Peck also wrote the widely popular, The Road Less Traveled. )

I had to edit the first paragraph because of my Freudian slip when I first wrote, "easy but difficult reason. . . ." I think Peck's "reason" for evil as connected to "the lie"
is an easy one to believe, yet it's "difficult" to grasp that when we start to stray from honesty and enter the gate of self-deception, we soon are on the road towards deceiving others and the big LIE of "insanity," or living what's not real. I mean, who in their right mind, wouldn't want to stray from the "gory details" as fast as possible! I'll just kick up my heels and, Fusian here I come.

 

[songline]

(Snip Respect)

Hello WS!

I did not know we didn't think "insanity" was involved in this? I thought it was a given that people who hurt/kill/rape other people are somewhat insane? And isn't this the big question much of humanity has been asking: what is evil? Is there evil? What is insane?

Insane: not knowing the difference between right and wrong. I think it is more that people who commit these crimes do know what society thinks, or what other people think is wrong but that does not mean they think it is wrong. When they commit their acts, they may not think what they are doing is wrong.

Are they insane because they do not follow the same moral code as us? That sounds more right to me...at least that makes them insane from our perspective. Perspective: life always comes down to perspective. Where are you coming from?

One of the quotes Casey is supposed to have or have had on her MySpace said to the effect: Why do we kill people who kill people...?

Obviously, sometimes Casey had deep thoughts? Well, since I am me and I can not be her all I can give is my perspective and continue to read the incredible thinking and discussion that goes on at WS.

To me: she is crazy. Her Mother is super crazy. I have been around mental illness all my life. There are two kinds: medical and emotional. IMO. Sometimes people have both.

In trying to figure out what I call "cold" personalities(I am a very HOT personality!)because I was born into a family of cold-I have come across the idea that these people are actually extra sensitive as children but when they encounter cold adults or because they are so sensitive they shut down for good by teen years if they do not get the nurturing they need.

I have rambled a bit here...and if it seems I do not have my point or opinion straight-you are correct-I do not. I came to WS to understand how someone could do what Casey did or how or why there is "evil" at all and what I think "good and evil" are...

its deep. Glad there are others asking questions. Not everyone does. Some people have no real interest in finding out such details as is sleuthed here. Well, if someone would just tell them the juicy details I am sure they would be glad to listen...but I don't think Cindy A would have killed anyone but also she never would have been the type to be a WSer, even George and he WAS a sleuther(police officer).

...jmo...:blowkiss:

:clap: :clap: :clap: BEAUTIFUL LADY!!!! good post.
I do agree with much of what you say, I was jumped on for bringing up the word insane.....
I stuck with my thinking - I know I am rational.
But they are correct that by the letter of the Law - an insanity plea has to be defined as "does the perp know right from wrong"....I guess the court system must have guide lines or else it would be a free for all.
I do like guide lines, I also like open mindedness, compassion, and a willingness to see beyond the obvious.
You are 100% right; Casey is mentally and emotionally challenged and I do refrain from giving her a diagnosis, I am not her shrink. I think GA is the main train wreck, and I think that Cindy too is emotionally and mentally imbalanced.
I like the way you divide it to hot and cold people. And you are right, a person becomes a cold person because their emotions got shut off, frozen, traumatized.
AS A RESULT Casey has been damaged/punished and I personally will give this case enough time, for a miracle if need be to come out. All evidence has been tarnished, done away with - YES she did something bad. She should be where she is for a long while. But how long I do not know, I do not know all the details, no body does because they have been washed away by the crazy family. and because I pray that LE is holding stuff close to the vest so that more will not become tarnished too.

 

[songline]

Bolded mine.

This is exactly what I've been thinking! Psychosis may feel like a welcome retreat from the "gory details."
I don't think my consciousness could contain all that without an implosion.

LET ME PREFACE THIS "I THINK" :
The picture of Casey with her eyes blank, or bulging out of her head..... is during a hearing where someone is talking about the insects and Caylees Little body. I think when something hard to handle shows up she gets frozen.

 

[Verité]

LET ME PREFACE THIS "I THINK" :
The picture of Casey with her eyes blank, or bulging out of her head..... is during a hearing where someone is talking about the insects and Caylees Little body. I think when something hard to handle shows up she gets frozen.

bolding mine.

Frozen before the explosion >>> implosion!

 

[Brini]

Bolded mine.

This is exactly what I've been thinking! Psychosis may feel like a welcome retreat from the "gory details."
I don't think my consciousness could contain all that without an implosion.

Not if she's a sociopath!

No conscience.

 

[SoSueMe]

Bolded mine.

This is exactly what I've been thinking! Psychosis may feel like a welcome retreat from the "gory details."
I don't think my consciousness could contain all that without an implosion.

Not if she's a sociopath!

No conscience.

That's what I was thinking (no conscience). So far we've only see her cry for herself. I wonder why it is that sociopaths/psychopaths are only able to feel for themselves?

I'll bet KC will be stone faced and writing on a pad when they describe the details of Caylee's decomposition. I certainly don't expect tears.