Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7

[songline]

bolding mine.

Frozen before the explosion >>> implosion!

I was not able to listen to that stuff (the insects and the babys body) and I am not Caylees Mom.
I imagine I would have thrown up if I was there.
I can see her freeze up.

But I too have been frozen and then cried months later.
It can happen when it is too much to handle.

 

[songline]

Cleaning--that's what the A's do compulsively-- according to Annie D's depo
today. Constant cleaning, everything has to be spotless, so that AD wasn't
really surprised to find KC's car loaded with cleaning supplies. That should
lead to a defense of. . .maybe, "Not Guilty By Reason of Cleaning."

LOL :laugh: :laugh: :laugh::crazy:

 

[songline]

That's what I was thinking (no conscience). So far we've only see her cry for herself. I wonder why it is that sociopaths/psychopaths are only able to feel for themselves?

I'll bet KC will be stone faced and writing on a pad when they describe the details of Caylee's decomposition. I certainly don't expect tears.

I know this is OT but it speaks to the bolded part.
In 1996-1997 I left the country for a year to take care of my sick parents and I lost them 2 months apart.
I DID NOT CRY at the funerals. I could not cry, and I shocked myself when I did not see any tears.
It did frighten me that I was so frozen.
I cried a lot about 6 months later. Without giving you a long story....Even loving people can freeze and not cry.

Also I have a severely mentally challenged daughter Bipolar+personality disorder.
The things she is capable of doing look very mean and cold at times. While my heart brakes and I do all I can to help.
The tears are rarely on the outside at this point, but they are always on the inside where you can not see them,
I am a highly functional person and that is how it seems to work.
My last boss still says that I am a Miracel and that my smile lights up a room.
But I am not sociopaths/psychopaths because I do not cry all the time, and have a big smile often.
My brother had a kidney transplant, and I do a lot for him too. YAP very high functional person I am.
I have learned what is important and I handle it all. But crying is very healing and
not always accessable for me. Iknow when I am overwhelmed and I know how to take care of me, so that I can clear my emotions and proceed. I have no time for self pitty. NONE.
It does not make me a sociopaths/psychopaths. .
I did counsel people for 18-20 years and stopped by choice in 1990.
I do refrain from diagnosing anyone I have not worked with because it is unfair diagnosis.
I notice some spend much of their time on that venue, so let them. That is fine too.
I hope you can see what I am trying to tell you.
This does not mean that Casey is well, or is not a sociopaths/psychopaths
it only means that the naked eye can not decipher everything.

 

[Verité]

I know this is OT but it speaks to the bolded part.
In 1996-1997 I left the country for a year to take care of my sick parents and I lost them 2 months apart.
I DID NOT CRY at the funerals. I could not cry, and I shocked myself when I did not see any tears.
It did frighten me that I was so frozen.
I cried a lot about 6 months later. Without giving you a long story....Even loving people can freeze and not cry.

Also I have a severely mentally challenged daughter Bipolar+personality disorder.
The things she is capable of doing look very mean and cold at times. While my heart brakes and I do all I can to help.
The tears are rarely on the outside at this point, but they are always on the inside where you can not see them,
I am a highly functional person and that is how it seems to work.
My last boss still says that I am a Miracel and that my smile lights up a room.
But I am not sociopaths/psychopaths because I do not cry all the time, and have a big smile often.
My brother had a kidney transplant, and I do a lot for him too. YAP very high functional person I am.
I have learned what is important and I handle it all. But crying is very healing and
not always accessable for me. Iknow when I am overwhelmed and I know how to take care of me, so that I can clear my emotions and proceed. I have no time for self pitty. NONE.
It does not make me a sociopaths/psychopaths. .
I did counsel people for 18-20 years and stopped by choice in 1990.
I do refrain from diagnosing anyone I have not worked with because it is unfair diagnosis.
I notice some spend much of their time on that venue, so let them. That is fine too.
I hope you can see what I am trying to tell you.
This does not mean that Casey is well, or is not a sociopaths/psychopaths
it only means that the naked eye can not decipher everything.

I relate totally to your post--and know how that feels to put the "brakes" on your heart, whether you intended it as a pun or FS.

The description which JG gives of KC pre-Caylee disappearance and pre-jail is an account I'd heard before, but on yesterday's NG show & replays of
that, I listened with fresh ears, as well as to the account of her adult-parenting conflicts (which have been denied by CA). At that point in her life, KC sounds far
more fragile than a sociopath. JG EVEN felt it necessary to come to her defense as her mother would browbeat her, calling her "lazy," and belittling her for not
having a job, and not having finished school. . .destroying what little self esteem there might have been. (A young adult can show lassitude without it being laziness, or be unable to finish school or maintain employment without that being due to sociopathy.)

 

[Verité]

Not if she's a sociopath!

No conscience.

I think you're trickin' me into going back to review the literature to see if there's ever been a case of sociopathy with a psychotic break.


Love ya', Brini :blowkiss:

 

[songline]

I relate totally to your post--and know how that feels to put the "brakes" on your heart, whether you intended it as a pun or FS.

The description which JG gives of KC pre-Caylee disappearance and pre-jail is an account I'd heard before, but on yesterday's NG show & replays of
that, I listened with fresh ears, as well as to the account of her adult-parenting conflicts (which have been denied by CA). At that point in her life, KC sounds far
more fragile than a sociopath. JG EVEN felt it necessary to come to her defense as her mother would browbeat her, calling her "lazy," and belittling her for not
having a job, and not having finished school. . .destroying what little self esteem there might have been. (A young adult can show lassitude without it being laziness, or be unable to finish school or maintain employment without that being due to sociopathy.)

I did not see NG I will try to read the transcript. Thanks you for the info.
But the information of KC getting berated would definitely produce more then conflict.
It would produce instability on many levels if not addressed by therapy.
Notice I still refrain from a diagnosis because it would produce different thing in different people.

 

[SoSueMe]

Songline, I know what you are saying. I do not cry easily and have had to be strong in times of death of loved ones and there are many who never saw me cry and then there are a select few who have seen me cry plenty. I do not know if KC is a sociopath or a psychopath or exactly what she is, but she has shown no distress or compassion toward anyone that I know of except herself. Those times were when she was going to jail or wanting to get out of jail. She certainly was capable of tears then.

For KC to be this cold about a missing child and then the circumstances in which Caylee was found is too foreign to me. I do know I would not be talking about football or watching a movie. KC seems so far from the norm that I have a hard time believing she has or had any type of maternal feelings toward her daughter, but that is just my opinion.

 

[songline]

Songline, I know what you are saying. I do not cry easily and have had to be strong in times of death of loved ones and there are many who never saw me cry and then there are a select few who have seen me cry plenty. I do not know if KC is a sociopath or a psychopath or exactly what she is, but she has shown no distress or compassion toward anyone that I know of except herself. Those times were when she was going to jail or wanting to get out of jail. She certainly was capable of tears then.

For KC to be this cold about a missing child and then the circumstances in which Caylee was found is too foreign to me. I do know I would not be talking about football or watching a movie. KC seems so far from the norm that I have a hard time believing she has or had any type of maternal feelings toward her daughter, but that is just my opinion.

You are right...there for I totaly also believe she can easily be a hooker that could have gotten in a jam.
I am just saying......

 

[MAMABEAR]

This thread has boggled my mind to the outter limits. Maybe because I ain't no smart on book stuff about the mind---but I have been around many--many---many different personalities. I didn't just exist with all the peeps I have been associated with---I have studied them. I have in fact helped some of these peeps thru some really bad mental problems. Not saying I know it all---I don't know Jack . Maybe part of that is because I don't know all them big words ya'll been throwin out there.

BUT----I think what I see is e-body guessing what kind mental kind of person she is. Being in this frame of mind---I would like to say my "guess".

This is a new disorder that hasn't even been named yet. If you will watch the news---you will see more and more of this type. We have seen this every once in awhile thru out our lives. (so old here) Can't think of one name right now (Poot) Dahmar (probably not even spelled right) The worst of the worst---What we are starting to see is so evil and I'm tellin you----there are more now-a-days---they are popping up all over the place. Same type.

 

[MAMABEAR]

WOW! Just saw Mark K. state on an old NG---"There is a different type of murder emerging!" He then goes on and tells the (I guess you call them) symptoms.

 

[Brini]

I think you're trickin' me into going back to review the literature to see if there's ever been a case of sociopathy with a psychotic break.


Love ya', Brini :blowkiss:

There has been, honey! That's how they caught Bundy. But, where's the evidence of a psychotic break?

Love ya back!:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[reeseeva]

WOW! Just saw Mark K. state on an old NG---"There is a different type of murderer emerging!" He then goes on and tells the (I guess you call them) symptoms.

It's evolutionary, Mamabear, ..."A sign of the times" in which we live. Sadly, I fear KC is just the tip of the icberg, with worse to come.

 

[Verité]

This thread has boggled my mind to the outter limits. . . .

This is a new disorder that hasn't even been named yet. If you will watch the news---you will see more and more of this type. We have seen this every once in awhile thru out our lives. (so old here) Can't think of one name right now (Poot) Dahmar (probably not even spelled right) The worst of the worst---What we are starting to see is so evil and I'm tellin you----there are more now-a-days---they are popping up all over the place. Same type.

bolding mine.

You speak wisdom. I totally agree with you on the bolded statement.

(I just about got attacked by one of these "whatevers" :drac: in a super-market parking lot fiasco, a big guy walking around in a trance with a cell-phone to his ear,
ready to annihilate both me & the security man in the service of his own arrogance. Scary!

 

[songline]

This thread has boggled my mind to the outter limits. Maybe because I ain't no smart on book stuff about the mind---but I have been around many--many---many different personalities. I didn't just exist with all the peeps I have been associated with---I have studied them. I have in fact helped some of these peeps thru some really bad mental problems. Not saying I know it all---I don't know Jack . Maybe part of that is because I don't know all them big words ya'll been throwin out there.

BUT----I think what I see is e-body guessing what kind mental kind of person she is. Being in this frame of mind---I would like to say my "guess".

This is a new disorder that hasn't even been named yet. If you will watch the news---you will see more and more of this type. We have seen this every once in awhile thru out our lives. (so old here) Can't think of one name right now (Poot) Dahmar (probably not even spelled right) The worst of the worst---What we are starting to see is so evil and I'm tellin you----there are more now-a-days---they are popping up all over the place. Same type.

I do not pay any mind to all the diagnosis of her mental illness. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
but I like your diagnosis (never heard of it yet) LOL
Not till a Doctor tell us what it is casey has will I buy it. Some thing are not what they seem.
IMHO unless you have tested her yourself you don't really know.
Also IMHO some peeps need to be thought of as if they "are in the know" if you get my drift.
From your posts all I can say is you do have a good handle of people. :blowkiss:

Verite has recommended a good book not fun to read but good "People of the Lie"
Not sure you want to read it, but you can check it out at the library or at Barns and Nobel.

Also the moral compass of this generation is damaged. Really from the Head of the Country on.
Or Presidents have sold our Nation off bit by bit. uke:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I was watching a show on Diane D. recently, and was shocked at just how similar her behavior, personality is to Casey's. Diane's behavior after she shot her own children, in the ER, and after, was almost identical to what we see in Casey. Anyway, someone on the show said that Diane viewed her children as her property and therefore could do what she wanted with them. I wonder if Casey felt the same. I remember in the jail video she tells her parents that she knows Caylee is not just her's, but that she belongs to all of them. Could this statement have been made to concede to a previous fight concerning the same issue ?

 

[Blackwatch]

Actually, I believe Casey had a break with reality which was coming for a long time. Can any of you imagine living in a house with G & C and remaining completely sane? Can anyone here picture a huge family fight, with all involved, then having a tiny child come up missing and no one searches for her for 31 days? I can, but all of this is just my own conjecture through a very distored view of life brought on by a rather rough childhood loosely following an Anthony scenerio. Stranger things have happened, Horatio...

My opinion only

 

[Jolynna]

LET ME PREFACE THIS "I THINK" :
The picture of Casey with her eyes blank, or bulging out of her head..... is during a hearing where someone is talking about the insects and Caylees Little body. I think when something hard to handle shows up she gets frozen.

I thought the picture of Casey when her eyes were bulging out of her head was when Casey was in jail and frustrated because nobody was sympathetic to what "she" was going through. Her freedom had been taken away...etc.

When Casey was in the hearing and they were talking about finding Caylee and Caylee's skull, I think Casey was poking Baez with a pencil and giving him coy smiles.

 

[Theonly1]

Not even if the Bar needs the laptop for their investigation?

Heh. **IF** The Florida Bar needed his laptop it could be arranged for a copy of the harddrive to be made and he could have it right back (just like the police do when they seize a suspect's computer). The Florida Bar is not affiliated with LE or the FBI so I fail to see how it would hurt Casey's criminal trial for them to have a copy of his harddrive for investigation if they needed to obtain it.

Not that I think The Florida Bar has their ducks in a row enough to go that far...

 

[Jolynna]

Actually, I believe Casey had a break with reality which was coming for a long time. Can any of you imagine living in a house with G & C and remaining completely sane? Can anyone here picture a huge family fight, with all involved, then having a tiny child come up missing and no one searches for her for 31 days? I can, but all of this is just my own conjecture through a very distored view of life brought on by a rather rough childhood loosely following an Anthony scenerio. Stranger things have happened, Horatio...

My opinion only

If during a "break from reality" you are able to rationally hide a murder, you are legally sane.

From texting Amy that she had "rid her car frame of the dead animal" to telling Cindy about "Zanny's accident in Tampa" that prevented her and Caylee from "coming home", Casey deliberately and thoughtfully "covered her tracks".

Examples of women that had breaks with reality are Andrea Yates and Nila Wacaser.

Andrea Yate's 911 call asking LE to come to her house is an example of someone who was removed from reality. Nila Wacaser calmly gave her husband the bloody knife she had used to murder her sons and told him to call police. Nila and Andra stood trial, were convicted (Nila was sentenced to death) and had their convictions overruled. Nila was found guilty in a second trial and hung herself in prison before being resentenced.

 

[Brini]

It's evolutionary, Mamabear, ..."A sign of the times" in which we live. Sadly, I fear KC is just the tip of the icberg, with worse to come.

Yep! Another woman was also just arrested for killing her kid. Drowning.