Casey & Family Psychological Profile #9

[karenmamo]

Here's my take on Cindy and it's total supposition.
I think she did enjoy taking care of people,being needed,being the nurturer,the one who brought all good things to you.But then you owed her. She used that in her family to gain control.To manipulate.She was in charge and don't you forget it!
I get the impression she was the type of parent who would stick up for her kids in school,with teachers and admin,but then chew them out at home for committing some offense.

But then you owed her=then she OWNED you.:crazy:

 

[maswondering2]

Ugh, I cannot comment too much about the voice message without getting kicked off here. The hate I feel for them (the A's) is unexplainable.

But wow... She sure does leave the longest voice messages I've ever heard. Most people say a quick, "hey, call me when you get this" type of message, but not blabbering cindy.
Give me a break with the whole, "you don't wanna mess with our family".. For crying out loud cindy, you're not the freakin' mob... although you're just as shady as them.

Ok so there's a long winded message to John Allen and now Tim Miller.....I wonder what else is out there.

I say we let her babble...loose lips sink ships ...and IMO the A's are gonna all go down together!

 

[Searchfortruth]

Here's one titled Freudian slip...does anyone know when this video was taken ? I couldn't find a date on it...her use of words is interesting...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmGLTPZqBHU"]YouTube - Cindy Anthony's Freudian slip[/ame]

 

[MissJames]

My goodness...I am speechless.

Just who does she think she is...? Do not mess with the "Anthony family", you will not win ?

Thank you for posting this Chef Mom, I have never heard this before.

I can't get it to load.We have satellite internet service and it's frequently slower than dial up! Go figure.
What is the gist of the message ,please?

 

[countzero]

The only surprise for me was that I had NOT heard this one previously. Nothing CA or GA or LA or KC said surprises me any more. If anything, it reinforces my opinions of them. I have to do a self edit here or get banned.

It is one thing to keep your opinions to yourself and in the privacy of your home. But for CA to be actually leaving phone messages where people have copied them and uploaded them to Utube and other media outlets just smacks of stupidity. My opinion only. I assume this was recorded between July and September and CA knew the media was transfixed with her every word and jesture and not in a friendly way either.

Control issues, CA has many. CA's world is right and the rest of us are all wrong. People like CA who throw out threats like she does cannot back them up but she uses them for intimidation purposes. She apparently has no clue that she is setting herself up for a hard fall and will not get the response she is looking for. CA loves to battle with people; get the upper hand so to speak. I would love to know what TM's take on it was but I think we already know.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I can't get it to load.We have satellite internet service and it's frequently slower than dial up! Go figure.
What is the gist of the message ,please?

The You Tube video of Cindy's mesage to Tim M. was very long, but it basically was Cindy telling Tim not to mess with the A's, she said it's not a threat, it's fact...she said, "you won't win". She also said that there are no improprieties with Caylee's trust fund...she seemed to be really mad that there was talk about the fund being "shady". She also said that Caylee is "alive" and she has people looking for her...

 

[chefmom]

Here's one titled Freudian slip...does anyone know when this video was taken ? I couldn't find a date on it...her use of words is interesting...

YouTube - Cindy Anthony's Freudian slip

Yes, Search, I have seen this one and her words are very telling. "In the woods" is a phrase that may come back to haunt her.

 

[chefmom]

The You Tube video of Cindy's mesage to Tim M. was very long, but it basically was Cindy telling Tim not to mess with the A's, she said it's not a threat, it's fact...she said, "you won't win". She also said that there are no improprieties with Caylee's trust fund...she seemed to be really mad that there was talk about the fund being "shady". She also said that Caylee is "alive" and she has people looking for her...

And she said that TM better not accuse LA of anything. Hmmm! Wonder what that could be? Me seems to remember an attorney for LA seeking immunity for some things. Wonder if this has anything to do with that? But, what is up with all of the threatening language and tone? I mean, seriously! Who talks like that except in a gangster movie? "That's not a threat....it's a fact!" Kinda smacks of "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse."

 

[Searchfortruth]

And she said that TM better not accuse LA of anything. Hmmm! Wonder what that could be? Me seems to remember an attorney for LA seeking immunity for some things. Wonder if this has anything to do with that? But, what is up with all of the threatening language and tone? I mean, seriously! Who talks like that except in a gangster movie? "That's not a threat....it's a fact!" Kinda smacks of "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse."

It really does sound like a bad, and I mean bad, movie. Does she do this to everyone that opposses her in any way ? I am starting to worry about her mom, just think of all the phone calls she has received from Cindy, especially right before she had to give statements to LE. I hope she doesn't give her grief about testifying, if she has to.

Yes, she does say something about Lee not doing anything to Tim. Makes me think that Lee has definitely "done something".

 

[wenwe4]

Wow . . . I don't remember TM accusing LA of inpropriety w/Caylee's trust fund. Then CA throws a bomb about seeing his people take a jar from Caylee's donations that contained $300. She must have told TA not to bash her family or she will win about 7 to 10 times. She stated she even gave TM medicine for his back. "I will not let anybody take my granddaughter away from me!" I won't stop looking for her. They have no evidence she is dead. Do not fight me, I will win! There is no inpropriety w/Caylee's trust fund. (Does anyone think she's winning yet?)

 

[metalcrystal]

Wow . . . I don't remember TM accusing LA of inpropriety w/Caylee's trust fund. Then CA throws a bomb about seeing his people take a jar from Caylee's donations that contained $300. She must have told TA not to bash her family or she will win about 7 to 10 times. She stated she even gave TM medicine for his back. "I will not let anybody take my granddaughter away from me!" I won't stop looking for her. They have no evidence she is dead. Do not fight me, I will win! There is no inpropriety w/Caylee's trust fund. (Does anyone think she's winning yet?)

This is so mystifying to me, all this hostility and anger towards everyone except the one person who DID take the baby from her. Listening to all of her daughters lies, at some point a normal person would have to face the truth. And it actually looks like the Anthony family has not won any of the battles they have started.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I have never seen anyone like Cindy, she wants so badly for her reality to be truth, yet it's her behavior that is causing most of her and her family's grief....that and the daughter she protects so fiercely. She tries to blame everyone else for her problems because that's easier than placing blame on her daughter. She is not going to ever accept that her daughter killed Caylee, IMO.

 

[countzero]

This is so mystifying to me, all this hostility and anger towards everyone except the one person who DID take the baby from her. Listening to all of her daughters lies, at some point a normal person would have to face the truth. And it actually looks like the Anthony family has not won any of the battles they have started.

bbm:

Nope, they haven't. This is part of the personality and/or psych issues that glare out at me. Battles ...... they will battle with anyone and themselves and never win or even draw a tie. Everything with them is the on the same theme ....me, me, me. Challenging is their method of choice most of the time. They will challenge simply because they can. And if you fail to play their game, the stakes get higher. Both physically and mentally for those around them.

You can see them in everyday life around you. Observe them in the grocery stores or Wally's World. They will pick a fight with anyone. What do most intellgient people do? Avoid them like the plague.

But a small child in the family unit cannot do this. They are subjected to an everyday barage of crap from their abuser. You can bet that last dollar of mine that KC was subjected to it by CA and GA as well as Caylee. But and a huge but, it doesn't excuse what eventually happened in the house. Caylee being murdered because the adults couldn't be adults. Clearly, there are no winners in the A clan, only individual losers. Caylee paying the ultimate cost.

 

[kaRN]

The You Tube video of Cindy's mesage to Tim M. was very long, but it basically was Cindy telling Tim not to mess with the A's, she said it's not a threat, it's fact...she said, "you won't win". She also said that there are no improprieties with Caylee's trust fund...she seemed to be really mad that there was talk about the fund being "shady". She also said that Caylee is "alive" and she has people looking for her...

She also accuses Tim of stealing money from Caylee's 'pot' and that there was an eye witness, doesn't she?? She mentions 300$. Or is that the trust fund she's speaking of?
I think this tape belongs on their foundation website to advertise how well they work with 'real' searchers.

 

[chefmom]

She also accuses Tim of stealing money from Caylee's 'pot' and that there was an eye witness, doesn't she?? She mentions 300$. Or is that the trust fund she's speaking of?
I think this. tape belongs on their foundation website to advertise how well they work with 'real' searchers

Lol! More people will see it on YouTube than their foundation site! People actually GO to YouTube!

 

[MissJames]

bbm:

Nope, they haven't. This is part of the personality and/or psych issues that glare out at me. Battles ...... they will battle with anyone and themselves and never win or even draw a tie. Everything with them is the on the same theme ....me, me, me. Challenging is their method of choice most of the time. They will challenge simply because they can. And if you fail to play their game, the stakes get higher. Both physically and mentally for those around them.

You can see them in everyday life around you. Observe them in the grocery stores or Wally's World. They will pick a fight with anyone. What do most intellgient people do? Avoid them like the plague.

But a small child in the family unit cannot do this. They are subjected to an everyday barage of crap from their abuser. You can bet that last dollar of mine that KC was subjected to it by CA and GA as well as Caylee. But and a huge but, it doesn't excuse what eventually happened in the house. Caylee being murdered because the adults couldn't be adults. Clearly, there are no winners in the A clan, only individual losers. Caylee paying the ultimate cost.

BBM
If you look at CA's eyes when she has these verbal battles it appears she thinks she IS winning.In the depos ,for instance,she was almost giddy when she started accusing them of adding an s to Gonzales.I'm sure she thought she had won after leaving that message for TM.The verbal abuse hurled at everyone within hearing,while leaving the depos was an example.She thought she was making the lawyers look bad,when she was actually damaging her own image.
No, they certainly aren't winning any battles,but they don't seem to notice .

 

[essies]

I believe Cindy's anger comes from the fact that the veil is being lifted from the carefully crafted image she has worked so hard for so many years to project to her neighbors, co-workers, family and friends. To a certain extent, we all want to project a certain image to these same people in our lives. We save the ugly truth for our closet friends, family members and sometimes for our fellow WS'ers here (because we feel safe - because we're anonymous). Cindy and Co. will be the subject of many books, many movies, many documentaries, many articles in magazines and blogs. Heck, they'll even be discussed in many classrooms from Psych to Law classes! Oh, and I forgot everything on YouTube!!:doh:
Unfortunately, everything Cindy has done so far has compounded and worsened the problem than if she had just:silenced:!!! Everything the A's have done and said has had the opposite result of which it was intended. And we haven't even gotten to trial yet!! How will they be able to sit on the witness stand and remain composed when being confronted with every stupid thing they have said and done? They weren't able to pull it off very well in the depos and the depos may not be done yet!! They won't be able to say that's it - I'm leaving! They won't be able to tell the prosecutor that their questions aren't relevent! When they lose control and things aren't going their way-they resort to anger and diarhea of the mouth!!
So, hang on everyone-I don't think we've seen the worst yet!!!:shakehead:

 

[chefmom]

This is the breakdown of what was on the tape. I have tried to copy it word for word, but there were a couple of words that faded a bit. On those words I have bolded to show that I'm not positive that is the word, but am pretty sure. The tone of the entire message is one of power and threats. CA speaks down, IMO, to the person she is speaking to, in this case TM, and constantly lets them know what she has done or will do. Lots of "I..I..I..Me..Me..Me". Now who does that sound like? :waitasec: So, MissJames, this is for you and anyone else who might have had a problem viewing the clip.



CA leaves this message for TM:

"I can't believe that you and your organization can sink so low as to try to affect Caylee's trust fund. I can prove that you are behind, or someone in your organization is behind...uhm...you know...the uhm...allegations about the misappropriation s of Caylee's trust fund. Her trust fund is without any...without any...uhm...improprieties. And, go ahead...try...I will...I will out you. We have the recordings that ya'll left...uhm...my attorneys office has the recordings of the threats that you made to my husband on his cell phone. Both of them. Uhm...we also have an eyewitness...uhm...of you guys taking and putting Caylee's...uhm...jar with your name on it and stealing $300. Don't go there, Tim. Don't try to pick a fight with me. Uhm...you came to me...uhm...with good intentions. I did not betray you. You betrayed me. I was nothing more than a friend to you. I gave you support for your back. I gave you medicine for your back. I came out there every day until Channel 9 news ' deal got me so upset that day that I had to leave and not come back. I can't help the fact that the Sherriff's office tainted...uhm...what we were trying to work towards together. I am so sorry that you lost your daughter, but your daughter was murdered. My granddaughter is still alive, Tim. I have people out there that are looking for her and I am not gonna stop looking for her. You did not stop looking for your daughter, and please do not take that away from me. The evidence that they have is not...we already have it disputed. They do not have evidence that Caylee is dead. I am telling you right now, do not pick a fight with me because I will win. I will win. My granddaughter...uhm...means too much to me that I'm not gonna let anybody, I'm telling you, anybody, take...uhm...her away from me. Not...including you, Tim. So, please. Whatever you think you're gonna do...think again. I'm asking you, and if you would like to talk to me, I'll be more than glad to speak with you. I would appreciate...uhm...you know...a one on one with you...uhm... because you never did return my phone calls. Every time I told you exactly what I was going to do. I never went behind your back under any circumstance. I told you before you went on NG that night to not cross the line. So...uhm...I've been more than upfront and above board with you and your organization and I would expect the same respect...uhm...you know...back to me. Do not accuse my son of any improprieties. Lee has not done anything. I'm telling you, do not wage war against the A family, Tim, because you will not win. In the end, you will not win. I'm telling you. Okay? That is not a threat. That is something that is fact. Alright? So, you still have my number in your voicemail right now. It's..."

 

[countzero]

I believe Cindy's anger comes from the fact that the veil is being lifted from the carefully crafted image she has worked so hard for so many years to project to her neighbors, co-workers, family and friends. To a certain extent, we all want to project a certain image to these same people in our lives. We save the ugly truth for our closet friends, family members and sometimes for our fellow WS'ers here (because we feel safe - because we're anonymous). Cindy and Co. will be the subject of many books, many movies, many documentaries, many articles in magazines and blogs. Heck, they'll even be discussed in many classrooms from Psych to Law classes! Oh, and I forgot everything on YouTube!!:doh:
Unfortunately, everything Cindy has done so far has compounded and worsened the problem than if she had just:silenced:!!! Everything the A's have done and said has had the opposite result of which it was intended. And we haven't even gotten to trial yet!! How will they be able to sit on the witness stand and remain composed when being confronted with every stupid thing they have said and done? They weren't able to pull it off very well in the depos and the depos may not be done yet!! They won't be able to say that's it - I'm leaving! They won't be able to tell the prosecutor that their questions aren't relevent! When they lose control and things aren't going their way-they resort to anger and diarhea of the mouth!!
So, hang on everyone-I don't think we've seen the worst yet!!!:shakehead:

There is no more worst yet. It is a continuing cycle. Like a hamster running on its wheel; neverending circle of carp. I just perused the youtube listings. They go on and on and on with CA. Making fun of her and she continues to give everyone material to use. Let's not forget the memorial episode where CA/GA claimed they were not responsible for removing it. Another moment of lost reality for them.

Good grief, if someone actually took the time to create a list of all the mis-truths CA/GA have spoken within the past 13 months, there would be pages of them.

Nope, sorry - I don't see any changes coming in the future for the A clan to change their family behavior patterns. They will behave in court the same way they did during the depos. May have it tuned down a notch, but still will focus on their truths of reality.

 

[Gaia713]

With respect, Carl Jung notwithstanding, KC is responsible for KC.

Many of us came from homes far worse than KCs, and still managed to grow into responsible, caring people. It's all about working to get past one's family of origin, and deciding what kind of person to be.

If you believe that we are karmically put into a situation of optimum learning, at birth, you believe that KC was, as well. Then, KC's karmic lesson may have been the challenge of growing into responsible adulthood. Clearly, she chose to avoid the growth and flee the lesson. Her choice.

Collapsing into a, "my Mom made me what I am," mode stunts personal growth and is a moral and emotional cop-out. It amounts to a refusal to grow up. Most therapists do not encourage patients to persist in that mode of thinking.

KC knew what she was doing, that it was illegal, that society held it to be wrong, and that she would be punished if caught. Her choice, her consequences, her lesson.

KC could have got a job (or stayed with the one she had) got a place to live, got some counseling, and learned to interact wih her family constructively (or not at all) llike many of the rest of us did.

Cindy may be lousy Mom. Many of us have had bad parents-- even brutal parents. But, Cindy did not kill the baby. KC killed the baby.

Blaming the mother of the criminal is very common. But, then, moms take the heat for a lot of things. When push comes to shove, it still boils down to CHOICES the criminal has made. There are plenty of upstanding citizens who have CHOSEN to follow the ethical path even tho they had lousy childhoods. There are citizens who have chosen to follow the wrong paths even tho they had great childhoods. Abusive parents do NOT necessarily raise abusive children - I think it's too easy to say that it was the mom's fault. I am sure KC had friends with good parents. She seems to be the only one in her crowd to have stolen and murdered.