Casey & Family Psychological Profile #9

[Woe.be.gone]

That's prolly where KC learned it. She's also a gaslighter.

I learned a lot about gaslighting at home. Both my parents did it, but my (lawyer) father was very gifted at it.

So until one is aware of it (intentional or not) one does not realize why they feel diminished or invisible? Would that be a proper assessment?

But no wonder one would seek out people to pay attention to them - as they are desperate for some kind of validation - no?

 

[LCoastMom]

Really glad you brought this up. My thoughts have gone there, but it's so hard to explain it. I remembered this co-worker at a call center who had tried to adopt a baby, but later had the baby taken back by the parents leaving her wanting. Her own kids were in the 15-21 yr old age range. She had a 15 yr old daughter she'd bring into work, and I swear, try to fix up with some of the younger men that worked there. She would be very permissive and almost threw her daughter into danger. Daughter ended up pregnant, had baby, and even the baby's young father ended up living in this woman's house under her ultimate control. I imagine, by now, she either has custody or is promoting more grandkids somehow. It was her need that drove this all to happen. Her daughter didn't have a chance to grow-up and get out of the house, and if she ever did, she was going to have to leave a replacement.

Thank GOD for the one who got away!

How sad for the children in her care. There was a movie on LifeTime called Family Sins, Kirsty Alley plays Brenda Geck who in 'real life' was Frances Burt. Totally controlling beotch matriarch who pulls similar stunts, mixed in with child abuse, welfare fraud. Terrifying to know she was portraying a real woman who really did those things. And to know the control she was capable of holding over people.

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[Woe.be.gone]

KC doesn't have DID (split personality). She's never fugued, lost time, or been confused re: time, place, person, or situation.

DID shows up in early childhood-- not young adulthood.

There's also a ton of controversy re: whether or not it's iatorgenic.

No, I know. My posts are often unclear it seems. My comment was meant to gently suggest that THEN THERE BETTER BE PROOF! In other words, figure the odds.

 

[Brini]

So until one is aware of it (intentional or not) one does not realize why they feel diminished or invisible? Would that be a proper assessment?

But no wonder one would seek out people to pay attention to them - as they are desperate for some kind of validation - no?

Yes, that would be accurate.

The key to getting past that is realizing that: 1) the family isn't normal or characteristic, and 2) the family premises are just plain wrong and mistaken.

That's when one distances oneself, and starts choosing "normal" friends.

Not that I think that concept exists. As they told us in grad school, "Normal is a setting on a washing machine."

So, let's say, "Functioning friends."

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I wish we had links. I remember seeing the video of CA saying whatever it was she said along these lines - I just couldn't find it again.

My point is I want to be accurate - Lord knows there's enough to complain about without embellishment.

Here ya go. I found one link that pretty well covers it all.

"I can't reveal that," Cindy Anthony said in an "On the Record" interview that aired Tuesday.
When asked about allegations that her daughter is a compulsive liar, she nodded and said that "lying isn't a criminal offense. Lying doesn't mean that you're a murderer."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

If you go to the above link it also has a link to portions of the OTR interview. I don't know if it includes this specific quote though.

 

[LCoastMom]

If that be the case, then I hope there does exist medical records that the A's would want to bring forth and make public. Without them, this would just be hyperbole.

KC doesn't have DID (split personality). She's never fugued, lost time, or been confused re: time, place, person, or situation.

DID shows up in early childhood-- not young adulthood.

There's also a ton of controversy re: whether or not it's iatorgenic.

Sorry,

:banghead: Thought you would catch the sarcasm and the smiley with it's tongue sticking out. I went back and bolded the last line regarding tongue in cheek :blushing: :bang: .

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[Woe.be.gone]

Here ya go. I found one link that pretty well covers it all.

"I can't reveal that," Cindy Anthony said in an "On the Record" interview that aired Tuesday.
When asked about allegations that her daughter is a compulsive liar, she nodded and said that "lying isn't a criminal offense. Lying doesn't mean that you're a murderer."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

If you go to the above link it also has a link to portions of the OTR interview. I don't know if it includes this specific quote though.

So she said them both - almost in the same sentence! Thanks for the link. :blowkiss:

Fire away peeps - have at it!!! (not that you need my permission)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Sorry,

:banghead: Thought you would catch the sarcasm and the smiley with it's tongue sticking out. I went back and bolded the last line regarding tongue in cheek :blushing: :bang: .

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I wonder if this is one of those communication difficulty periods as has been pointed out in the Astrology thread from time to time. :waitasec:

 

[LCoastMom]

I think that my comment makes the most sense on this thread. If not, I hope someone (a mod maybe) will re-direct it...I don't know where else to place this!???

I have been following this case since the beginning. I read here (regularly) and many other places (sporadically). Always, consistently, I see comments about how "surely", "without question", "obviously" CA loved Caylee. Personally, I don't believe that CA is capable of "love" in the true sense of the word but despite that, I've searched high and low in the FACTUAL information that we have to believe that she did. I have found nothing other than material evidence. Caylee most certainly had every frikkin' toy that money could buy...But what else did she have? An attentive Grandmother who knew who she was with every day for the 2 1/2 years of her life? For crying out loud! This woman who loved her Grand-daughter dearly didn't even have the "nanny's" phone number!??? Didn't know what her Grand-daughter did morning to evening every single day of her short life! I'm sorry but something doesn't equate for me. It hasn't from the very beginning and I'm sure that it doesn't now. I don't mean to offend normal people with normal sentiments. But "normal" is not a word I would use to describe CA.

MOO

I agree with most of what you said. But Cindy was able to maintain an appearance of normalcy for the last 25 yrs. She has a job of some status among her peers and supported her whole family during George's frequent bouts of un and under employment and she managed to hold on to a nice house.

We have tossed around possible scenario's of what it was like to live in that household. The possibility that Cindy and George spent a lot of time walking on egg shells around KC, just for the sake of peace in the house. Cindy's personality doesn't jive with doing that long term, so there was probably a steady undercurrent of tension even when everyone was playing nice.

Is it possible that Cindy had to go along with 'KC's charade of normalcy' for her own mental health? She "claimed" in her depo she had a list of numbers that KC kept up dated (probably every time Cindy tried reaching 'Zani') KC used a move or new cell phone # as the excuse she got a wrong #. All of the people KC had known the longest, stated Cindy and George were Caylee's only care giver's, other than KC. That sound like KC had been fairly careful about Cindy having any need to call 'Zani'. Trying to reach Zani, could have lead to Cindy reaching out to other friends asking for information.

If we look at any of the pictures of Cindy and Caylee, Cindy is just beaming. Caylee looked happy to be with Cindy, and that was a point of a lot of strife between Cindy and KC. Remember KC telling Yuri if she went out Caylee was fine with it, but Caylee always asked for her gmother. That was one of the only times I made out emotion from KC in the interview, and it wasn't a good thing. I think Yuri caught it too.

I think Cindy loved Caylee as best she could, the important thing to me was Caylee looks like she felt loved. When we consider what a tiny little life she had, what ever would have come in her future is pointless, because she never got that far.

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[Curious Me]

Gas lighting and lying or guilt tripping, etc., are all defense mechanisms used by someone with Narcissist Personality Disorder, to keep you under their control. In this case, it may have become a "learned behavior". Whatever the diagnosis for Cindy, I definitely see Casey as having NPD. IMO, it does not excuse her from the consequences of her horrible, selfish action if she is responsible for Caylee's death. Sometimes, there is no getting through to people with NPD, and some, are a real danger to you, me, and society.

 

[MissJames]

Interesting commentary on Miss KC!

http://im.about.com/od/resources/a/caseyhelp.htm
Casey Anthony IMs Reveal Woman Pushed to the Edge
Forensic Psychologist: Alleged Killer “Wanted a Life”

By Brandon De Hoyos, About.com

While Florida investigators continue to sift through evidence in the case of a mother charged with the murder of her own daughter, New York’s premiere forensic psychologist says 22-year-old Casey Anthony’s motive may be as close as her own instant messages.
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In the United States, 189 woman currently await execution on death row for murdering their own children.

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Link to IMs http://im.about.com/od/resources/a/anthonymay3.htm

While reading that I was reminded that KC chose friends who didn't have children.She had friends who did,but that's not who she hung out with.Also very telling.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Well between BPD, NPD, Sociopathy, OCD, ADD, ADHD, let's see, what else? Oh alcoholism (which may develop to mask/self medicate any of the above), my question to Brini is (pls. see post above): How in the heck does one find any "normal" friends? How do I know if I'm "normal" :waitasec: (though I think I am but that might be a sign that I'm not!).:crazy: Carp, life is hard.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

While reading that I was reminded that KC chose friends who didn't have children.She had friends who did,but that's not who she hung out with.Also very telling.

That's a good point. Do you remember the young lady who was interviewed that expressed she couldn't go out much (and couldn't understand how KC always could) because between work and raising her son that's all she had time for. Now a "normal" person would try to forge time - playdates and such with that friend to include the children. KC still wanted to partaaaa - she never accepted the responsibilty of Caylee's care. She didn't even know how good she had it to have CA and GA there as often as they were (putting every other crazy thing aside). The other young lady will do the best she can raising her son and gain more freedom as he grows and life, hopefully, will improve for her (in a recreational sense). KC couldn't handle the responsibility despite the fact she had constant help. She had options - other young friends with kids - she couldn't/wouldn't make the shift.

 

[Brini]

Well between BPD, NPD, Sociopathy, OCD, ADD, ADHD, let's see, what else? Oh alcoholism (which may develop to mask/self medicate any of the above), my question to Brini is (pls. see post above): How in the heck does one find any "normal" friends? How do I know if I'm "normal" :waitasec: (though I think I am but that might be a sign that I'm not!).:crazy: Carp, life is hard.

LOLOLOL!

Actually, I fell in with a whole family who liked and respected eachother, and treated eachother well.

They had the usual fights, on occasion. Sometimes bad ones.

But, every day wasn't about undermining eachother. Nobody got drunk, nobody cheated, nobody was hyper-controlling. Every day wasn't a scream fest. There was no gas-lighting (so named from an Ingrid Bergman flick).

I started spemding more time with them, and less with blood relatives. Saw a counselor to sort out productive v. non-productive behaviors.

My personal life took a HUGE upswing, and remained so.

BUT, I still work with Axis IIs. :-(

Go figure (sigh!).

 

[MissJames]

Well between BPD, NPD, Sociopathy, OCD, ADD, ADHD, let's see, what else? Oh alcoholism (which may develop to mask/self medicate any of the above), my question to Brini is (pls. see post above): How in the heck does one find any "normal" friends? How do I know if I'm "normal" :waitasec: (though I think I am but that might be a sign that I'm not!).:crazy: Carp, life is hard.

I'm pretty sure I'm not normal.My aunt told me so just recently. I was gushing about my goats :crazy:

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I'm pretty sure I'm not normal.My aunt told me so just recently. I was gushing about my goats :crazy:

I talk to my dogs...'aint we a pair?:crazy:

 

[Brini]

I talk to my dogs...'aint we a pair?:crazy:

I have long conversations with an iguana.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm pretty sure I'm not normal.My aunt told me so just recently. I was gushing about my goats :crazy:

Hay (wrong food?), there could be worse things. Puts a new meaning to the phrase "he got my goat"!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I talk to my dogs...'aint we a pair?:crazy:

That's totally normal - you nuts? :crazy:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I have long conversations with an iguana.

Not normal - bring out the white coat. :blowkiss: