Casey & Family Psychological Profile #9

[OneLostGrl]

You know, another thing, CA may have seemed to walk on eggshells around KC at times(anything that could be public) but at some age KC found her own power against her mother. These two women went tit for tat once KC figured out she could use all her learned behavior from her mother. KC had the best teacher in CA and at some point began using it back on her mother. Each figured out what control they had over the over. It may not have been mutual in KC's childhood but it became mutual at some point. KC screaming at CA in earshot of the neighbors and CA seeming to just take it, CA's way of coming up rosy again. I bet inside that house she let the screaming rip at KC. MOO

Bold is mine-

Or the choking

 

[Brini]

Yes, yes and yes. There was/is something very underlyingly weird with the mother/daughter relationship between those two. KC it seems was damned if she did and well, you know. The fact that KC used the fact that Caylee was first placed in CA's arms as such a sore spot moment is indicative of some deep underlying control issues. After hearing about it though, I'm thinking that hospitals should have a rule! I swear, I'm still suspicious about who Caylee's bio father was as I feel that this knowledge would shed light on the overall situation. It's a gut feeling I have and, of course, could be way off base.

Well, I don't think who the father is has anything to do with anything. He's never been part of Caylee's life. And, because KC always seems to have a "back-up," I'm not sure SHE knows for sure who the father is. Kio said at about that time, KC had eight bfs. Kio also said that she met the father (per KC), and he and KC just were not that into eachother.

I'm also not sure about the grudge re: who held the baby, first. That may have happened, or it may be more A legendizing (neologism?). KC may have said something like that to do her martyr thing.

I think KC is just too immature and narcissistic to be a mother. As my aunt says, "It's not FOR everyone." I doubt that she could consistently care for a PET. She doesn't even tend to the CAR until it breaks down.

Unfortunately, she is just as irresponsible about contraception as she is about everything else.

And, unfortunately, the baby became a WONDERFUL weapon for the two Queen Bees to play against eachother, in their eternal power tug-of-war.

That's why I don't much care what sentence she gets. As long as she's in the Big House until menopause is firmly and permanently established.

 

[Brini]

Do you know a pathological liar? (or a family of liars?) Here's some sites that have stated proof from studies done that the brain of a liar may be wired different.

“Pathological liars can’t always tell truth from falsehood and contradict themselves in an interview. They are manipulative and they admit they prey on people. They are very brazen in terms of their manner, but very cool when talking about this.”

http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/11655.html


Adrian Raine has also previously found differences in the brains of psychopaths and normal people which are recognizable in brain scans.

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003035.html


"People who habitually lie and cheat --- pathological liars --- appear to have much more white matter, which speeds communication between neurons, in the prefrontal cortex than normal people, the researchers found. They also have fewer actual neurons."

http://emeritus.blogspot.com/2005/10/liars-brain.html

Yep! There has been some GREAT stuff on ID, re: this.

 

[Brini]

Absolutely.. has a lot to do with the sexual promiscuity.

Sex is a great way to get attention of course. And, power over men, or at least the illusion of it.

 

[Brini]

I don't think we know that Casey used it.. George and Cindy say they think she holds a grudge, that they think she resents her mom for it but as far as I am aware they are the only source of that information.

Can't imagine KC caring, that much, who has the baby.

 

[Brini]

Oh you've got to hear the LKL where a caller calls in and asks CA why she changed her mind about the smell in the car. CA says in one sentence, and I kid you not......"I changed my mind... I never changed my mind about the smell in the car. What I said was that the car smelled." NO CA you said "the car smells like theres been a dead body in the damn car!" Try telling that to CA, even faced with a recording of her own words, she says what I said was that the car smelled. This is a sick woman. MOO

Compulsive liar. if she was the CEO of Monsanto, she's lie and say she was the President of 3M.

I wouldn't have her as my nurse. I can just IMAGINE asking, "What's in the syringe?" and not being able to believe the answer.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Have you ever looked into the eyes of an iguana? They are very wise,old souls.

Actually, no, can't say that I have. I shouldn't knock it until I've tried it - ha! I'm off to the pet shop. :croc::croc:

 

[Brini]

Actually, no, can't say that I have. I shouldn't knock it until I've tried it - ha! I'm off to the pet shop. :croc::croc:

And, I'm off to tear up some collards for their dinner.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't think we know that Casey used it.. George and Cindy say they think she holds a grudge, that they think she resents her mom for it but as far as I am aware they are the only source of that information.

You have a point there. It rings kind of true though. But if KC did squawk about that point a lot; imo it would not really be about that. It would be a symbol for the overall theme of her controlling parents; parents who convinced her to keep Caylee versus place her for adoption. Pretend these are KC's thoughts "you wanted to keep the baby, held her first, etc. - quit b*tching that I'm not taking responsibility for her." I'm just examining the different angles of possibilities.

OLG, if we go by truthful statements, we can't discuss anything - noone in the family speaks the truth. It is a constant sorting out of what could be the truth, ya know?

One situation, where there were several witnesses, was the handing out of the presents and opening of them at Caylee's second birthday party. People reported that they sensed obvious tension in the room regarding whose job it was and that CA took over thus rolling over KC so-to-speak.

 

[Curious Me]

Is someone going to now start an iguana thread on this forum?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Interesting commentary on Miss KC!

http://im.about.com/od/resources/a/caseyhelp.htm
Casey Anthony IMs Reveal Woman Pushed to the Edge
Forensic Psychologist: Alleged Killer “Wanted a Life”

By Brandon De Hoyos, About.com

While Florida investigators continue to sift through evidence in the case of a mother charged with the murder of her own daughter, New York’s premiere forensic psychologist says 22-year-old Casey Anthony’s motive may be as close as her own instant messages.



In the United States, 189 woman currently await execution on death row for murdering their own children.

...............
Link to IMs http://im.about.com/od/resources/a/anthonymay3.htm

While looking for the other article peeps are saying is carp, I ran across these IM's between KC and TR again. The tone I feel within them is pressure/immaturity from him, not her. Plus I sense she does not wish to feel like just a lay as she diverts the conversation to a later date and the possibility of them doing something concrete together - not just f******. Does anyone sense the pressure HE throws out at her about her responsibilities as a mom? He has no business doing that and should stick to women without children. Those IM's really burn me. He added to her brewing resentment of being bogged down with child. In those IM's, KC was acting responsibile. It takes a village people! That TR guy could of cared less about that little girl or the bigger girl's dilema. Glad he's off the force.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Speech patterns offer window into psychiatric disorders

http://record.wustl.edu/archive/1997/10-09-97/5200.html

"Women in the study showed strong differences in speech. Those with either antisocial disorder or somatization disorder were much more likely to use vague or meandering language. These language patterns were even more pronounced in women with both disorders."

Bringing this forward for further discussion as per post above. WRONG ARTICLE but interesting nontheless.

The article can be accessed in the above post as originally posted by essies.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

From someone who seems not to know the difference between the Tony's, or even that there is a second Tony to whom KC was seemingly far more attached to than TR, I take it for what it is worth-- not much. I am also dubious of anyone who approaches a case with an agenda to prove a predetermined hypothesis.

And this;

"However, the bigger picture, Kirwin said, is the socio-political issue of the amount of support and resources available to women, calling it as much an issue for women and feminists as it is crime."

Give me a break. Yes women face challenges, many poor or otherwise disadvantaged women face challenges, Casey IMO hardly even registers on this score. This is a middle class young woman who had many opportunities but failed to rise to the occasion.

I see the article as an opportunity for the Doctor to comment on a social/culture problem for the sake of heightening awareness that, indeed, unmarried women are more often than not left holding the bag so to speak of raising the child/children.

Obvious to us, the Doctor is not versed on the case, and because it has not been tried yet, the article citing Caylee's case should not have been published. Don't blame the Doctor, blame the writer and publisher/reporter.

Why so hot? Do you deny that women are "stuck" more often than not raising children alone? If so, brush up on social studies.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

And, I'm off to tear up some collards for their dinner.

Is someone going to now start an iguana thread on this forum?

Ha! That would be interesting as I know very little about them. Brini?

 

[Brini]

Ha! That would be interesting as I know very little about them. Brini?

Well, not sure how they would fit on a crime thread. Unless stealing fruit is an issue.

Or, thieving a Hawaiian bread roll.

There is jail break. (their "animal proof" heated, full-spectrum lighted habitat)

Oh! And vandalism. (The little one dismantled her animal carrier, on the way to the vet). She simply pulled out the studs that held it together.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

They're a lot like cats, in some ways.

They're about as bright as a house cat. They learn to use a potty pan easily. They learn commands, easily. (and words like "dinner" and "treat" instantaneously).

And, like cats, often when one commands an ig, they look at one like... why should I mind YOU? What's in it for ME?

They listen, and they LOVE to be talked to!

Wow! Who knew? Interesting.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Sex is a great way to get attention of course. And, power over men, or at least the illusion of it.

You'd think men would have figured that out by now too (not that they really want to). They're just as much to blame (if not more so) for the ills of the world - just my world view fwiw. :angel:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Geesh, I just caught up. Lessons learned - do not read a thread backwards as you will end up confusing the whole thread - sorry! It's been fun tho.

 

[MaedchenX]

I see the article as an opportunity for the Doctor to comment on a social/culture problem for the sake of heightening awareness that, indeed, unmarried women are more often than not left holding the bag so to speak of raising the child/children.

Obvious to us, the Doctor is not versed on the case, and because it has not been tried yet, the article citing Caylee's case should not have been published. Don't blame the Doctor, blame the writer and publisher/reporter.

Why so hot? Do you deny that women are "stuck" more often than not raising children alone? If so, brush up on social studies.

Pardon? My comment was in support of women and that by using Casey as an example Kirwin was doing a disservice to women who face very real struggles. As for my personal awareness of women's issues and social issues I can assure you that I am well versed in both, thanks.

In regards to Casey being stuck or saddled with a child, it was her choice to have Caylee and to raise her. As it was a choice to seek no further action in attaining financial support for Caylee from her biological father, dead, alive, or otherwise, not something she was burdened with. It was a choice to pursue men who had little interest in Casey as a mother or her child. It was a choice for Casey to fake employment rather than seeking a real job. It was a choice to steal from Caylee's piggy bank, her parents, family members, and friends to fund her own wants and needs. In the end I also believe Casey chose to kill her daughter. As a feminist I am glad to see Casey have so many choices, but I am not so blind as to not identify those which were selfish and harmful to others and deserve punishment. Those were actions I believe Casey chose out of her sociopathic tendencies rather than being a desperate single young woman with a child. That in a nutshell is why I am so "hot".

 

[Brini]

You'd think men would have figured that out by now too (not that they really want to). They're just as much to blame (if not more so) for the ills of the world - just my world view fwiw. :angel:

I'm voting for "more so."