Casey files for-Indigency; Defense reveals how much it's been paid!

[lauriej]

I am pro dp, but in this case, I am fine with lwop. I think KC will suffer more. Especially if she's in general pop.

..i couldn't agree more.

..dp would be way too easy, put her in GP for the rest of her life, always having to watch her back, out there each and every day with hard core criminals that "don't take kindly to baby-killers'.

..that would be justice, constantly fearing that a fellow inmate might come up from behind, with a roll of duct tape in hand.......

.."an eye for an eye".......sounds perfect to me.

 

[lauriej]

Oh thank you, that's just great. Um, er, the only problem is I don't have enough money to pay you for getting my status changed, but you don't mind, right? :crazy:

..surely you have friends------just steal their money!

 

[MADJGNLAW]

What if I told you that the State Attorney (i.e. Lawson Lamar) will not even factor in whether the State is paying for Casey's defense.

What if I told you the cost of her defense will not come anywhere near $2 million (more like $100K).

Okay, nevermind, I am telling you that. Lawson Lamar has been the elected State Attorney for Orange and Osceola since 1980 something and he is unlikely to run again because he is reaching age limts in Florida. So he could care less what the State is ordered to pay for her defense.

Most importantly though, the State Attorney is not even a party to Casey's motion to be declared indigent (which she will be); rather the attorneys for the Justice Administration Commission will be the attorneys of record when the request for indigence will be argued. And while they will likely object, Judge Strickland will declare Casey indigent.

However, once she is declared indigent, JAC will only pay the costs if Casey's defense abides by JAC guidelines - which are less than extravegant. As a result he cannot use his priced experts that live out of state unless they are either (1) wiling to accept the JAC rate of pay (about $150 an hour) or (2) if there is no such exert in Florida that could handle an issue Baez needs an expert on - unlikely.

Regardless, in any instance where Baez tries to deviate from the JAC guidelines for pay, he will have to seek court permission to exceed JAC guidelines and the JAC attorneys will appear and object. The net result being much more transperancy regarding who is being paid and for what.

In any event, the most interesting thing will be to see whether Baez lists what he was paid for all of Casey's case. Reason being is the JAC rules require you to list all fees being paid for all of client's current cases. It does not require you to list what you were paid for past cases.

Thus I have a sneaking suspicion that Baez will noy divulge what Casey "paid" him for the Check Fraud case, because he technically no longer represents her on the case (under Florida rules of administration, an attorney ceases being attorney of record 30 days after criiminal case is disposed of).

Bottom line though for you all will be nothing but frustration. Because while this motion will raise a million questions about what Casey was paid or how shady Baez is, the bottom line is that Casey Anthony will be declared indigent - no matter how nasty that tastes.

p.s. Baez himself will receive no money from the state. Rather he has to submit invoices to JAC and they pay the vendors directly.

Thank you so much for the clarification. I have one more question, if you don't mind. I am kind of confused here. I thought when this so called "Dream Team" was put together they all had said it was on a "Pro Bono" basis?

:waitasec:Why is Casey declaring indigent now? If they said they were going to do all the work for free, what is the problem?
What changed?
How can she now declare indigence if they all said they were
working/representing Casey Anthony on a "Pro Bono" basis?
Where did the funds come from prior to pay for the expense's and court fees?
Who was paying for it and why the sudden change of heart?

I hope the judge will ask the entire defense team what changed and why Anthony is all of the sudden indigent when it was said early on that they were working "Pro Bono".

 

[LambChop]

JB never said he was working pro bono.

 

[The World According]

Mr. Hornsby, thank you so much. You have cleared up the entire matter for us. This information you shared is the best news.

Have you ever had the parents of friends of one of your clients charged for obstructing justice or in any way trying to cover up their loved one's crime?

We have found your blogs and news clips and comments here very helpful and instructive. Thank you very much for helping us.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Thank you so much for the clarification. I have one more question, if you don't mind. I am kind of confused here. I thought when this so called "Dream Team" was put together they all had said it was on a "Pro Bono" basis?

:waitasec:Why is Casey declaring indigent now? If they said they were going to do all the work for free, what is the problem?
What changed?
How can she now declare indigence if they all said they were
working/representing Casey Anthony on a "Pro Bono" basis?
Where did the funds come from prior to pay for the expense's and court fees?
Who was paying for it and why the sudden change of heart?

I hope the judge will ask the entire defense team what changed and why Anthony is all of the sudden indigent when it was said early on that they were working "Pro Bono".

I'm definately not RHornsby but IMO, the decision to declare her indigent now is due to no more videos being sought or sold. BTW, Thank you Mr. Hornsby for being here and giving us insight on the legal aspect of this.


Seems the media maybe onto the Anthony family and have read about their "mistruths" as we have. The most telling would be, in November the Anthony family were likely told that Caylee was deceased and in that swamp. Yet, less than one month later on LKL, they are shouting, once again, from the highest tower, Caylee is alive, we all know on December 11th, Caylee's remains found and by December 19th, positively ID'd.

I think this is the best thing that can happen for KC and Baez. Means JAC will have their eyes on this defense and what they are doing and keep them on schedule so this trial will start when it's supposed to. No more lollygagging for Baez.

Like instead of going on a witch hunt to find a person to fit KC's lies, he wasted much money and time on something that will go nowhere, IMO. There are no police records to back up JKerley's depo, there were no arrests, what she thinks is irrelevant. This man was a bounty hunter and PI, OSCO checked into him and cleared him, so why did Baez waste time here???

So glad KC and team will be watched with JAC for his antics need to come to an end. He hasn't put a dent in the defense of KC, IMO. There are many, many witnessess to depose, he hasn't met any deadlines as far as his discovery to back up the, "His client is 100%" statment...No witness list! I too think Baez is writting checks his arse can't cash! He's all mouth, no substance. He should stop his grandstanding and get down to the nitty gritty, defend your clients life and stop with the circus side shows...:banghead:

 

[knt]

JB never said he was working pro bono.

LC, I agree. So, I wonder if KC is declared indigent, will the team members who were always pro bono, like AL, become paid members (at the state's rate) or will they have to continue as pro bono? :waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

LC, I agree. So, I wonder if KC is declared indigent, will the team members who were always pro bono, like AL, become paid members (at the state's rate) or will they have to continue as pro bono? :waitasec:

I think one of our experts said if they start out pro bono they are stuck with pro bono. Also the state will not pay JB.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

JB never said he was working pro bono.

I don't know why I thought JB was pro bono...I went to look up some old article to see where I got that Idea from and your correct, so far he never really said he was from what I have read. It was mentioned that some of the dream team were I thought.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/22758070/index.html

Interestingly enough it is said that Casey has paid Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon $111,954. It is said that almost $90,000 of that was paid to Jose Baez, as Andrea Lyon is working for free and is only paid for her expenses.

Anthony has already paid Baez and death penalty expert Andrea Lyon $111,954, but Baez said that is not enough to give Anthony the defense she needs, and taxpayers should make up the difference. Nearly $90,000 of the amount was used for Baez's fees, the remainder covered Lyon's costs. She is working on the case for free.

Baez said Anthony, 23, was willing to pay for her defense until the state put the death penalty back on the table, making her unable to cover the expense.

I thought Jose Baez was pro bono, it appears he wasn't’t. http://www.wftv.com/news/17451650/detail.html

He had also stated one time when asked about this that “It is none of the public’s business how he is paid”.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032509_New_revelations_in_Anthony_deposition


We need to make sure the record is clear on exactly what the situation is -- exact financial arrangements -- and that Ms. Anthony knows the arrangements and waves any possible conflict of interest," said Assistant State Attorney Jeff Ashton about a the motion filed by the State over how Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, was being paid for his services.

"We're telling you one does not exist," Baez responded.

The Judge asked Baez a series of questions. "Between you and Ms. Anthony, is there any literary rights fee or agreement; does one exist?" asked the Judge. "No Sir," said Baez.

:waitasec:Looks like there has been a lot of money generated by this case, is that what was admitted? I thought there was a hearing on this way back and it was said that it was false that the Casey had made money deals? I am soo confused again. LOL

 

[Harmony 2]

How can this even be possible?
I was always under the impression that if you were indigent, you got a public defender and the only way you could get a court appointed attorney is if there's a conflict.. like 2 co-defendants can't have a PD from the same office?

Sleutherontheside posted this article entitled "The Cost of a Life: Representing the Indigent Accused of Crimes in Florida Courts Today" and it is very enlightening...

reposting the article in case it was missed: (thanks STS)
http://www.deathpenaltyblog.com/the...nt-accused-of-crimes-in-florida-courts-today/

 

[Cat13067]

Respecfully, Kimmer, you must be able to afford to say this because you don't live in Florida. Am I right? I say, as a Florida resident, she should now be required to accept one of our state's public defenders. She is not special. It will rip a new one in my heart if I have to fund JB and AL's expenses!!! I'm not being dramatic when I say there are a million other charities to which I would rather contribute!!!!! :furious:

I agree with you 100%. KC should be treated just like any other person that needs state assistance to defend themselves. There is a pool of attorneys that are available in Florida that defend people who have no funds to pay for their own defense. JB nor AL are not in this pool of attorneys which gives KC "special" status...AGAIN. As a Floridian I will vote to elect officials that follow the letter of the law when it comes to this crime against Florida taxpayers, so be on notice we are watching you.

 

[Cat13067]

Wow...that is sobering..isn't it?

Yes, it is sobering since Caylee already paid $ 250,000.00+ her life to defend her murderer.

 

[steadychick]

From a purely objective standpoint......if JB keeps up these antics.......I think he'll be quite disappointed in his book revenue. I think people would pay far more to see him featured in a dunking booth on the Vegas Strip for 3 months.

I was just reading this morning, but had to log in to say "thank you" for this post. It created a real mental picture and made me laugh out loud!

 

[steadychick]

Couple of thoughts -- (1) I am suspicious about the wording of how much money was paid to AL and JB. Lyon was paid over $22,000 for EXPENSES. Jose was paid over $90,000 for FEES. I'd be willing to bet that we will learn in the days to come that Jose was also paid additional money for his EXPENSES.

(2) Doesn't make sense to me that Jose is just now crying about how the death penalty being put back on the table changed things and created the situation where his client was WILLING but UNABLE to pay for her defense. How long ago was it that the death penalty again came into play? If Jose knew then that she would not be able to pay, why did he wait til now to say so and ask that she be declared indigent?

 

[shotgun09]

It is still about delay...delay..delay... They have no defense! Think Joy Wray, Jill Kerley, and now James Macintyre.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Originally Posted by Dear Prudence
Just my guess here:
$250,000 paid by tv network
- 83,333 (less 1/3 finder's fee (Jose's or ???))
$166,667 remaining for KC
- 55,556 (less 1/3 for income taxes (just guessing on tax amount))
$111,111 remaining for JB and AL (wow, pretty close )

You left out Cindy and George Anthony. I do believe their grubby little mits had gotten paid out of that money too..I'd like to know how much since they decided to go into foreclosure. :banghead:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Couple of thoughts -- (1) I am suspicious about the wording of how much money was paid to AL and JB. Lyon was paid over $22,000 for EXPENSES. Jose was paid over $90,000 for FEES. I'd be willing to bet that we will learn in the days to come that Jose was also paid additional money for his EXPENSES.
(2) Doesn't make sense to me that Jose is just now crying about how the death penalty being put back on the table changed things and created the situation where his client was WILLING but UNABLE to pay for her defense. How long ago was it that the death penalty again came into play? If Jose knew then that she would not be able to pay, why did he wait til now to say so and ask that she be declared indigent?

I caught that too. He's never pubicly stated his representation of Inmate Anthony was pro bono. So from that wording, seems he took a hefty payment as a salary from his client plus expenses or why was Alyons worded she was paid for expenses. He's shady and a shifty guy, he's got to remember God doesn't like ugly and Karma comes aknocking. This may just backfire big time on him. His cockiness is outrageous, seems he too has a sense of entitlement and fits in fine with the rest of that family.

Is Baez representing anyone else? I can't imagine his business staying afloat if he doesn't have clients who are self sufficent, not any that are court appointed. There's no big money in being a court appointed defense attorney.
JMHO

 

[Muzikman]

I caught that too. He's never pubicly stated his representation of Inmate Anthony was pro bono. So from that wording, seems he took a hefty payment as a salary from his client plus expenses or why was Alyons worded she was paid for expenses. He's shady and a shifty guy, he's got to remember God doesn't like ugly and Karma comes aknocking. This may just backfire big time on him. His cockiness is outrageous, seems he too has a sense of entitlement and fits in fine with the rest of that family.

Is Baez representing anyone else? I can't imagine his business staying afloat if he doesn't have clients who are self sufficent, not any that are court appointed. There's no big money in being a court appointed defense attorney.
JMHO

BBM, Thanks LLL. Seems like a little "refresher" course is in order (thanks go to the Orlando Sentinel for doing this investigative report one year ago). What can be more definitive than the words of the FL Supreme Court in 2000, when Baez tried to overturn the FL Bar's decision to not license him:

"For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

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[Cat13067]

Reading the Orlando Sentinel Blog...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...asks-state-to-pick-up-costs-wkmg-reports.html

This request would not affect the attorneys’ fees, Pipitone said.

We'll have to wait to see the motion itself to know the details, but it seems to me that the defense is asking for expenses and not attorney fees. That would mean that Baez could stay and be paid privately (how???).

Otherwise, IIRC, defense attorneys already on the case would be paid per Florida statute and I doubt that it would be enough to keep Baez happy.

If true, how can Casey be indigent for paying for the expenses, yet have money to pay him?

When this case is over JB will have the media lining up for an interview about this case. Talk about making big bucks! That interview will rake in big bucks for JB, and most likely land him some sort of gig on a TV program like Geraldo.

 

[Muzikman]

His client.


I think the going rate is one dollar per page, but he has received much of the info on CD and I am NOT sure of that cost...Muzikman?:waitasec:

Discovery from the SA generally costs very little if anything. Blank discs and parking. A paper release would be different (the first doc dump was)

Clerk's office copies are $1 a page, that's where it gets expensive (for me). Should not affect the Defense, as they get noticed on all motions filed, so I don't think they get charged for them.


They do have to pay filing fees when submitting motions to the clerk's office, not sure what those are. Any lawyers / paralegals know?

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