Casey files for-Indigency; Defense reveals how much it's been paid!

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  • #401
I have quirky reactions to some of this stuff.

At first blush, I don't think Baez has been paid that much considering the amount of work that needs to be done, and has in fact been done (even though sloppily). Also, because the affidavit regarding fees paid was so cursory, it wasn't clear to me how much of the money paid to Baez actually paid costs (deposition transcripts, investigators, etc), rather than legal fees. Lyon is entitled to have her costs covered, even though her fees are donated. In fact in some jdx the client HAS to be responsible for costs, the lawyer's not ALLOWED to underwrite it.

I'm going to take a closer look at the actual documents later, but that's my reaction to the numbers quoted.
 
  • #402
So, KC has officially been declared indigent and is looking for the taxpayer's to foot the bill for her defense from here on in. Why would that have to be? In the latest news for today it's said that someone from another Florida county wrote to Judge Strickland asking him to appoint the public defender to KC's case. Isn't that the smarter option?
 
  • #403
So, KC has officially been declared indigent and is looking for the taxpayer's to foot the bill for her defense from here on in. Why would that have to be? In the latest news for today it's said that someone from another Florida county wrote to Judge Strickland asking him to appoint the public defender to KC's case. Isn't that the smarter option?

She was declared indigent regarding COSTS, not FEES, and it's the Clerk of the Court that made the initial determination. Her *costs* are likely to be the same regardless of which attorney requests that they be incurred. The public defender would also be taking depositions, requesting experts, etc. because these are "due process services" per the statute.

Fla. stat. 27.52: [SIZE=-1]A person who is eligible to be represented by a public defender under s. 27.51 but who is represented by private counsel not appointed by the court for a reasonable fee as approved by the court, on a pro bono basis, or who is proceeding pro se, may move the court for a determination that he or she is indigent for costs and eligible for the provision of due process services, as prescribed by ss. 29.006 and 29.007, funded by the state.

Here are pertinent parts of 29.006 and 29.007:
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29.006 Indigent defense costs.—For purposes of implementing s. 14, Art. V of the State Constitution, the elements of the public defenders' offices and criminal conflict and civil regional counsel offices to be provided from state revenues appropriated by general law are as follows:
<snip>(2) Reasonable court reporting and transcription services necessary to meet constitutional or statutory requirements, including the cost of transcribing and copying depositions of witnesses and the cost of foreign language and sign-language interpreters and translators.
(3) Witnesses, including expert witnesses, summoned to appear for an investigation, preliminary hearing, or trial in a case when the witnesses are summoned on behalf of an indigent defendant, and any other expert witnesses required in a court hearing by law or whomever the public defender or regional counsel deems necessary for the performance of his or her duties.
(4) Mental health professionals appointed pursuant to s. 394.473 and required in a court hearing involving an indigent, and mental health professionals appointed pursuant to s. 916.115(2) and required in a court hearing involving an indigent.
(5) Reasonable transportation services in the performance of constitutional and statutory responsibilities. Motor vehicles owned by counties and provided exclusively to public defenders as of July 1, 2003, and any additional vehicles owned by the counties and provided exclusively to public defenders during fiscal year 2003-2004 shall be transferred by title to the state effective July 1, 2004.
(6) Travel expenses reimbursable under s. 112.061 reasonably necessary in the performance of constitutional and statutory responsibilities.
(7) Reasonable library and electronic legal research services, other than a public law library.
(8) Reasonable pretrial consultation fees and costs.

Also take note of this provision of Fla. stat. 29.007:

"[SIZE=-1]In each case in which a private attorney represents a person determined by the court to be indigent for costs, the attorney shall execute the commission's contract for private attorneys representing persons determined to be indigent for costs."[/SIZE]
 
  • #404
The way the media words their headlines can be deceiving. This is not a done deal. It will be , but first the judge is going to hold a hearing. Wont that be interesting?

Here is Mr. Ashton arguing Baez possibly having control over brokering deals for Casey being a conflict of interest. He is a very experienced ADA. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2erlV21r16A[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6xwashAoaI[/ame]

Mr. Baez "I find it odd that Mr. Ashton's entire argument is based around post conviction."

I don't!!!
It was very wise to get both Baez and Casey on the record about this topic!!! Now at this next hearing we will hear more about the financial arrangements. At the very end of tape four the Judge asks Mr. Baez regarding the payment of his expenses, is there any arrangement other than his office paying them. Mr. Baez says that is getting into an area of confidentiality that he thinks should be asked and answered in camera ( in private ). WHAT?!!! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzHzuW2pmzM[/ame]
The lawyer that sits next to Casey and Mr. Baez...I assume he works at the Baez law firm. Do we know that? So regarding the fees Casey has paid, part of it may be for the other lawyers there at that firm that work the case and the paralegal, case manager and legal secretary fees. Although in my opinion, the order of priority has been silly, deposing Kio and the jail guards for example, he has done a few depositions. I am very interested to watch the hearing on how the money has been spent so far. In the last tape, Mr. Baez angers Mr. Ashton. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lkz57L8ekA[/ame]

Judge Strickland " You know what? This is getting old. I am tired of it! We are done!!!"
 
  • #405
Nancy opining that Baez would do well to STOP THAT SMIRKING AT THE PROSECUTORS! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfWi-Jtj5Zk[/ame]
Nancy "BAEZ IS MAKING MISTAKES LEFT AND RIGHT!!
This is what I don't understand, everybody is like an ostrich, they have got their head in the sand and their butt in the air."


Nancy " Andy, We already know over a quarter million dollars has already been paid, allegedly, by networks for interviews about this story."

Andy Cohn, Dir. of Crime Victims Assistance Division " Do pictures and licensing count? She is a ready made stimulus package for Baez and the other miscreants that are looking at her like a big cash cow. It is delusional to think what may not be sold today precludes it from happening in the future. There is going to be some big, big money deals coming out of this."
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB2OxPPyCuI[/ame]


I have a question. In their pleading the defense mentions Casey being portrayed as a number of things, one of them is her being bi-sexual. Didn't Casey herself have that on one of her internet sites that she is bi-sexual? There sure are a lot of photos of her kissing women,so why are they acting as if that is something being wrongfully portrayed? They should pick their battles. That one would be like them arguing Casey is being depicted as someone who goes clubbing. I do think the good taxpayers of the jury will have a keen grasp of the obvious.
 
  • #406
Does it seem really, really stupid of Casey to pay all that money to Baez to represent her for a murder charge where he isn't even legally qualified to represent her. Would it be equally stupid of the State of Florida to agree to pay Baez any funds/expenses at all going forward, given the amount that he's already charged Casey?

Baez did admit in court on 3/25/09 that Casey has a retainer agreement with LKB. Why is Casey now failing to even address that in her claim of indigency?
 
  • #407
The lawyer that sits next to Casey and Mr. Baez...I assume he works at the Baez law firm. Do we know that? So regarding the fees Casey has paid, part of it may be for the other lawyers there at that firm that work the case and the paralegal, case manager and legal secretary fees. Although in my opinion, the order of priority has been silly, deposing Kio and the jail guards for example, he has done a few depositions. I am very interested to watch the hearing on how the money has been spent so far.

I've always assumed that is Jose Luis Garcia, as his name appears quite frequently under JB's on signed motions/pleadings and he is the other Baez Law Firm attorney that visits with Casey in the jail. But this is just an assumption, and maybe someone else might know for certain.
 
  • #408
Does it seem really, really stupid of Casey to pay all that money to Baez to represent her for a murder charge where he isn't even legally qualified to represent her. Would it be equally stupid of the State of Florida to agree to pay Baez any funds/expenses at all going forward, given the amount that he's already charged Casey?

Baez did admit in court on 3/25/09 that Casey has a retainer agreement with LKB. Why is Casey now failing to even address that in her claim of indigency?

Well, don't forget that when Baez was originally retained, the charges against her were charges that he was--technically--qualified to defend her against. It was only when the DP came back on the table in December '08 (has it been that long?) that he lost the ability to be first chair. She could easily have paid him $90K before then, especially if that sum includes expenses ("costs") as well as fees. For the number of hours that this case had to consume, even if the quality of his work was deplorable, he still put in the time. You can't take a criminal case on a contingency basis!

Casey's indigency affidavit did not disclose the amount of money, if any, paid both to LKB and Todd Macaluso. I don't recall hearing that TM was working pro bono, and given his well-documented financial problems I would be surprised to hear he had been working for free. My theory, and it is only a theory, is that fees paid to the other two attorneys would bring the total amount of money paid to her various attorneys closer to the $250K figure we have heard bandied about from media deals. Casey is, I speculate, trying to avoid disclosing just how much money has passed through her hands.
 
  • #409
this may seem an oversimplification--but I am so happy that whatever happened happened and their big source of money dried up..because now there will be timely court proceedings and no more sashshaying around with scads of theories to muddy the waters*. At last! The REAL idea that there is an end of the tunnel!
*They can still try to do that but with the state of Fl paying it will be so much harder for them!
 
  • #410
Indigency hearing scheduled for Casey Anthony
Updated: Thursday, 11 Mar 2010, 8:38 AM EST
Published : Thursday, 11 Mar 2010, 8:29 AM EST
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The ball is rolling to declare Casey Anthony indigent. That means the state would pick up the tab for her defense.

Judge Stan Strickland scheduled an indigency hearing for March 18, 2010. He will then decide whether to approve the declaration.

Article:
www.myfoxorlando.com
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  • #411
WHOA! Jean Casarez was just on InSession talking about the indigency hearing.

There is a rule in FL that if the defendant is an adult and is TAX DEPENDENT on the parents, THEY are responsible for court expenses! A lien can be placed on their house.

That means that IF the Anthony's claimed Casey on their taxes, they are on the hook for the tab. No wonder they went into foreclosure.
 
  • #412
WHOA! Jean Casarez was just on InSession talking about the indigency hearing.

There is a rule in FL that if the defendant is an adult and is TAX DEPENDENT on the parents, THEY are responsible for court expenses! A lien can be placed on their house.

That means that IF the Anthony's claimed Casey on their taxes, they are on the hook for the tab. No wonder they went into foreclosure.

Florida stat. Chap. 27.52:

"[SIZE=-1](6) DUTIES OF PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN.--A nonindigent parent or legal guardian of an applicant who is a minor or an adult tax-dependent person shall furnish the minor or adult tax-dependent person with the necessary legal services and costs incident to a delinquency proceeding or, upon transfer of such person for criminal prosecution as an adult pursuant to chapter 985, a criminal prosecution in which the person has a right to legal counsel under the Constitution of the United States or the Constitution of the State of Florida. The failure of a parent or legal guardian to furnish legal services and costs under this section does not bar the appointment of legal counsel pursuant to this section, s. 27.40, or s. 27.5303. When the public defender, the office of criminal conflict and civil regional counsel, a private court-appointed conflict counsel, or a private attorney is appointed to represent a minor or an adult tax-dependent person in any proceeding in circuit court or in a criminal proceeding in any other court, the parents or the legal guardian shall be liable for payment of the fees, charges, and costs of the representation even if the person is a minor being tried as an adult. Liability for the fees, charges, and costs of the representation shall be imposed in the form of a lien against the property of the nonindigent parents or legal guardian of the minor or adult tax-dependent person. The lien is enforceable as provided in s. 27.561 or s. 938.29."

See also subsection 7:

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[SIZE=-1] FINANCIAL DISCREPANCIES; FRAUD; FALSE INFORMATION.-- [/SIZE][SIZE=-1](a) If the court learns of discrepancies between the application or motion and the actual financial status of the person found to be indigent or indigent for costs, the court shall determine whether the public defender, office of criminal conflict and civil regional counsel, or private attorney shall continue representation or whether the authorization for any other due process services previously authorized shall be revoked. The person may be heard regarding the information learned by the court. If the court, based on the information, determines that the person is not indigent or indigent for costs, the court shall order the public defender, office of criminal conflict and civil regional counsel, or private attorney to discontinue representation and revoke the provision of any other authorized due process services. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1](b) If the court has reason to believe that any applicant, through fraud or misrepresentation, was improperly determined to be indigent or indigent for costs, the matter shall be referred to the state attorney. Twenty-five percent of any amount recovered by the state attorney as reasonable value of the services rendered, including fees, charges, and costs paid by the state on the person's behalf, shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit into the Grants and Donations Trust Fund within the Justice Administrative Commission. Seventy-five percent of any amount recovered shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit into the General Revenue Fund. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1](c) A person who knowingly provides false information to the clerk or the court in seeking a determination of indigent status under this section commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.[/SIZE]


Source: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES...y_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0027/Sec52.HTM
 
  • #413
I thought Cindy has maintained all along that Casey was responsible for her own tax filing, and they never claimed her on their taxes.

There was even a discussion here somewhere about how Casey filed taxes if she didn't have a job, but I have no idea which thread it was on.
 
  • #414
WHOA! Jean Casarez was just on InSession talking about the indigency hearing.

There is a rule in FL that if the defendant is an adult and is TAX DEPENDENT on the parents, THEY are responsible for court expenses! A lien can be placed on their house.

That means that IF the Anthony's claimed Casey on their taxes, they are on the hook for the tab. No wonder they went into foreclosure.

Ummm, yeah. But that would also open up another whole can of worms for the A's, that would grossly discredit GA and CA's stories pretty much from the begining. And I am guessing it would have been picked up by someone around here by now.

If KC were a dependent on GA and CA's tax filings, then that means they knew exactly what her income was or was not. They knew where she was or was not working. They would have had to have seen the W-2's 1099's or lack thereof. Any money she made would have been filed on their return. Which means quite clearly that they would have known that she was NOT going to work and taking the child to the babysitter for all of that time.
 
  • #415
WHOA! Jean Casarez was just on InSession talking about the indigency hearing.

There is a rule in FL that if the defendant is an adult and is TAX DEPENDENT on the parents, THEY are responsible for court expenses! A lien can be placed on their house.

That means that IF the Anthony's claimed Casey on their taxes, they are on the hook for the tab. No wonder they went into foreclosure.

Great to know, CarolinaMoon...I'd say this is a "bombshell" and answers the questions as to why Hopespring Drive may have went into foreclosure.

I'm sure CA would have claimed them both on her taxes, just to get back what was spent, which IMO is very telling. She's money hungry and if she were able to claim KC and Caylee, she would have...

CA was adamant KC was working at Universal, her going there to pu Caylee means she truly believed KC was working but did she claim her, that's the $1,000,000 question.
 
  • #416
See also subsection 7:

[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=-1] FINANCIAL DISCREPANCIES; FRAUD; FALSE INFORMATION.-- [/SIZE][SIZE=-1](a) If the court learns of discrepancies between the application or motion and the actual financial status of the person found to be indigent or indigent for costs, the court shall determine whether the public defender, office of criminal conflict and civil regional counsel, or private attorney shall continue representation or whether the authorization for any other due process services previously authorized shall be revoked. The person may be heard regarding the information learned by the court. If the court, based on the information, determines that the person is not indigent or indigent for costs, the court shall order the public defender, office of criminal conflict and civil regional counsel, or private attorney to discontinue representation and revoke the provision of any other authorized due process services. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1](b) If the court has reason to believe that any applicant, through fraud or misrepresentation, was improperly determined to be indigent or indigent for costs, the matter shall be referred to the state attorney. Twenty-five percent of any amount recovered by the state attorney as reasonable value of the services rendered, including fees, charges, and costs paid by the state on the person's behalf, shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit into the Grants and Donations Trust Fund within the Justice Administrative Commission. Seventy-five percent of any amount recovered shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit into the General Revenue Fund. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1](c) A person who knowingly provides false information to the clerk or the court in seeking a determination of indigent status under this section commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.[/SIZE]


Source: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES...y_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0027/Sec52.HTM

Gee? Why would anyone worry that anything that KC puts down on a financial statement or document might be fraudulent? :waitasec:
 
  • #417
Great to know, CarolinaMoon...I'd say this is a "bombshell" and answers the questions as to why Hopespring Drive may have went into foreclosure.

I'm sure CA would have claimed them both on her taxes, just to get back what was spent, which IMO is very telling. She's money hungry and if she were able to claim KC and Caylee, she would have...

CA was adamant KC was working at Universal, her going there to pu Caylee means she truly believed KC was working but did she claim her, that's the $1,000,000 question.

On the question and answer thread, regarding Cindy's deposition , she states they did not claim Casey or Caylee as dependant.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4619503&postcount=509"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - LIST Questions and Answers #8 LIST ONLY NO DISCUSSION[/ame]

the comment references that it's also on the video.
 
  • #418
I wouldn't be too shocked to find that Cindy lied, about claiming Casey, during that deposition. In the bond hearing, Judge Strickland said that Casey's parents were her only form of support, as she hadn't worked in some time. Would this make any difference ?
 
  • #419
I wouldn't be too shocked to find that Cindy lied, about claiming Casey, during that deposition. In the bond hearing, Judge Strickland said that Casey's parents were her only form of support, as she hadn't worked in some time. Would this make any difference ?

Good catch!
 
  • #420
On the question and answer thread, regarding Cindy's deposition , she states they did not claim Casey or Caylee as dependant.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - LIST Questions and Answers #8 LIST ONLY NO DISCUSSION

the comment references that it's also on the video.

I remember that deposition, but can we necessarily believe Cindy - this could be another one of her "mis-truths" under the guise of "our finances are none of your business". With the financial problems the family experienced in the past, she may have been especially sensitive to this kind of questioning or in trying to support Casey during these charges, just not have thought the whole comment through re consequences. Ha! Could that be possible? Cindy providing a thoughtful answer?:banghead:

Do we know for sure? Has anyone been able to search out Cindy's tax filings? Are you able to do that legally in the States? I don't think we can do it in Canada without permission from the individual themselves. To me it would make sense for Cindy to claim them, since it appeared she was footing the bill.
 
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